| | Author | Message |
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mikebrown
 
| | #1 posted October 17, 2004 at 11:50am (EST) |
I just bought a ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB video card, cause I want to play Doom 3 so bad right now its not even funny. I figured with my specs and current card, It would run decent on the lowest settings...well, I was wrong. It NEVER ran smoothe at all. Heres what I have.
XP Pro
AMD Athlon XP 1800
1.53Ghz
640MB of Ram
Nvidia GeForce 4 MX 4000 64MB
Well, this sucked, so I borrowed my brothers FX5200 128MB card and it ran it just as bad at the GeForce 4..so I'm like..what the crap. I thought with my budget, I'd go all out. I found this ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB AGP 8x on ebay. Its not here yet, but this card SHOULD run Doom 3 like a GOD right? Thats what I've heard from everybody. My specs are exceeding the minamum requirements, and this is a good card. Why didnt the FX5200 run it good?
I am also worried about my AGP slot, for I used to have a GeForce 2 AGP card, and it all of a sudden died on me..I dont know why..
What is Overclocking?
How could my GF2 die like that?
Could it possibly be my AGP slot?
The 9600 Pro should run Doom 3 without any problems right?
Its too late now, but should I have bought a better card, like a 9800 Pro/XT?
Which is better, the XT or Pro?
What happens If I have 2 video cards in my computer at once?
Someone please answer these questions. I just want to know as much info as possible, because I dont want anything to go wrong with my 9600 Pro, or my PC for that matter.
Thanks.
| lemurballs
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| #2 posted October 17, 2004 at 12:21pm (EST)
edited October 17, 2004 at 12:25pm (EST) |
doom 3 is not going to run like a GOD with that setup. but it should run.
the fx5200 is weak. a 9800 would eat it. a 9600 would eat it for that matter.
the 9800xt is superior to the 9800pro.
run one card at a time. make sure you remove drivers for the old card and install new drivers for the new card.
(_(_)LEMUR's QUEST for $500.00 THREAD!(_(_)
| Aj
BTRs
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| #3 posted October 17, 2004 at 12:55pm (EST)
edited October 17, 2004 at 12:57pm (EST) |
You shuld be able to run it at 800x600 low settings fine on that setup with the 9600
Doom 3 Takes Quiet a Hefty machine an tends to run better on GeForce 5900 Ultras & Above ... it runs best on a GeForce 6800 Ultra Compared to The X800 XT PE :)
XT 9800 Vs. 9800Pro ... XT is about 10% faster if that. honestly not worth the extra bucks nowa days when a 9800 pro 128mb (NON SE) is like 180$
| mikebrown
| | #4 posted October 17, 2004 at 1:00pm (EST) |
so that 9600pro 256 should give me a good game goin. Like, will it lag? will ti run smoothe most of the time, because the geforce 4 lags unbearably.
thanks | Richie
  
| | #5 posted October 17, 2004 at 1:28pm (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
>Why didnt the FX5200 run
That still boggles my mind.
I have a similar setup (Athlon XP 1700+, 512MB DDR RAM, Geforce FX 5200 128MB)
and it ran smoothly 99% of the time.
How long has it been (if ever) that you've backed up your hard drive and
reinstalled everything, windows and all, from scratch?
That's like the only thing I can think of as to why it wouldn't run well.
Windows gets cluttered with crap and most techies recommend
aa clean install once a year or so.
Heck, after playing with the config file, I was playing on medium details
and it was still running smoothly.
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows... | lemurballs
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| | #6 posted October 17, 2004 at 1:41pm (EST) |
richie doesnt realize that his 5200 is actually a miss-branded 5900 utlra 
(_(_)LEMUR's QUEST for $500.00 THREAD!(_(_)
| mikebrown
| | #7 posted October 17, 2004 at 2:13pm (EST) |
richie, i reinstalled windows xp pro about...4 days ago..and i just put that FX5200 in my computer about..35 minutes ago, and it still lags, even in places where nothing is happening. I have the settings on the lowest as they can go, and even turned off all the advanced settings, and it still lags like crazy
you think this ati radeon 9600 pro will actually make a difference?
| mikebrown
| | #8 posted October 17, 2004 at 2:14pm (EST) |
i even did a disk defrag a few min ago too, 77% free space, no defraged files, xp 1800, 640 mb of ram, fx5200 128mb, and its STILL lagging...i hate this! lol | Richie
| | #9 posted October 17, 2004 at 2:30pm (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> richie, i reinstalled windows xp pro about...4 days ago..and i just put that FX5200 in
> my computer about..35 minutes ago, and it still lags, even in places where nothing is
> happening. I have the settings on the lowest as they can go, and even turned off all the
> advanced settings, and it still lags like crazy
Wow. Weird.
>
> you think this ati radeon 9600 pro will actually make a difference?
>
Uhm....I hope so, for your sake. 
My mind is still boggling over the fact that your system is slightly better than mine and
I could run the game fine.
Have you gone to a site like Black Viper and shut off unnessesary Windows XP
processes?
Don't know if that'll help, but might as well do it to save some CPU cycles and RAM:
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows... | Richie
| | #10 posted October 17, 2004 at 2:31pm (EST) |
lemurballs wrote:
> richie doesnt realize that his 5200 is actually a miss-branded 5900 utlra
>
>
lol
I wish.
But it only takes up the AGP slot and not the 3 PCI slots next to it, so I'm
pretty sure it's not a 5900 Ultra. 
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows... | mikebrown
| | #11 posted October 17, 2004 at 3:06pm (EST) |
well, tried the black viper site, didnt help any... | Mewtwo
  
| | #12 posted October 17, 2004 at 10:22pm (EST) |
Ahh don't you just love Consoles for this reason. Just pop it in and it plays. And usually nice and pretty and no slow down because of limits or conflicting things or not enough memory etc...
Seriously though not to tread on your topic mike. Sorry.
But maybe it's your CPU too? 1.53GHZ is by no means anything that powerful compared to current standards... Maybe this is the problem?
Mewtwo
| ~It is what you do with the Gift of Life, that Determines who you are.~ |
| Richie
| | #13 posted October 17, 2004 at 11:34pm (EST) |
Mewtwo wrote:
> Ahh don't you just love Consoles for this reason. Just pop it in and it plays. And usually
> nice and pretty and no slow down because of limits or conflicting things or not enough
> memory etc...
>
>
>
Yeah, but you can't tinker with and upgrade a console. You get what the company
makes and that's it (aside from mod chips).
I much prefer building my own system and tinkering with it. That's 1/2 the fun for me. 
>
> Seriously though not to tread on your topic mike. Sorry.
>
> But maybe it's your CPU too? 1.53GHZ is by no means anything that powerful compared to
> current standards... Maybe this is the problem?
>
>
Nah. As I mentioned, his cpu is slightly better than mine, and I had no problems with the game.
He also has more RAM too.
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows... | Mewtwo
| | #14 posted October 17, 2004 at 11:53pm (EST) |
Richie wrote:
> Mewtwo wrote:
>> Ahh don't you just love Consoles for this reason. Just pop it in and it plays. And
> usually
>> nice and pretty and no slow down because of limits or conflicting things or not enough
>> memory etc...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, but you can't tinker with and upgrade a console. You get what the company
> makes and that's it (aside from mod chips).
>
> I much prefer building my own system and tinkering with it. That's 1/2 the fun for me.
>
>
Ok well you can sit and tinker and I'll sit and play.
I play games to play and have fun. Not to tinker. Though I can admit tinkering is fun and all in the end I am there to play the game. Not tinker around with other things just to get it to work.
>
> Nah. As I mentioned, his cpu is slightly better than mine, and I had no problems with
> the game.
> He also has more RAM too.
>
>
Odd... what about his FSB? Maybe the speed is lower and it's bottlenecking the graphics card performance? hmm....
Mewtwo
| ~It is what you do with the Gift of Life, that Determines who you are.~ |
| lemurballs
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| | #15 posted October 18, 2004 at 12:25am (EST) |
games are just one function of pcs....they cook good dinners too.
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| mikebrown
| | #16 posted October 18, 2004 at 1:04am (EST) |
whats FSB? | lemurballs
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| #17 posted October 18, 2004 at 1:41am (EST)
edited October 18, 2004 at 1:42am (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> whats FSB?
Front-Side-Bus (FSB) is a term describing a Processor (CPU)-to-system memory data bus. It is the speed that the CPU communicates with RAM (memory). The front side bus on a computer connects the processor to the north side bridge, which comprises the memory bus, PCI bus and AGP bus. In general, a faster frontside bus means higher processing speeds and a faster computer.
| Richie
| | #18 posted October 18, 2004 at 2:21am (EST) |
lemurballs wrote:
> games are just one function of pcs....they cook good dinners too.
>
>
They also make julliene fries! 
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows... | mikebrown
| | #19 posted October 20, 2004 at 6:45pm (EST) |
GOOD GOD WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO?! Its on the lowest setting and still lags WITH the 9600 Pro 256mb... guess ill try tweaking now | Mewtwo
| | #20 posted October 20, 2004 at 6:56pm (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> GOOD GOD WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO?! Its on the lowest setting and still lags WITH the 9600
> Pro 256mb... guess ill try tweaking now
It's probably not your card but something else. (Obviously). Do you have a lot of things loading? Do you have lots of programs working in the system tray? Do you have spyware using up resources?
Mewtwo
| ~It is what you do with the Gift of Life, that Determines who you are.~ |
| Richie
| | #21 posted October 20, 2004 at 8:35pm (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> GOOD GOD WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO?! Its on the lowest setting and still lags WITH the 9600
> Pro 256mb... guess ill try tweaking now
Take that ATI fanboys!!!!!!
Erm...sorry that it's still not working.
Hmm. Time to run some third party apps, I think.
Norton System Work, iolo System Mechanic, ...
Oh. Don't know if I've recommended this before.
Go to http://www.pcpitstop.com and run their tests and see
wht they have to say.
It's free and it's worth a shot.
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows... | mikebrown
| #22 posted October 20, 2004 at 8:52pm (EST)
edited October 20, 2004 at 8:53pm (EST) |
Well, ATI fanboys, you get my vote, ATI Is the BEST video card brand ive used, alot better then NVIDIA  but, anyways. I have usually 2 things in the system tray when I play(volume control and ATI control panel), and NO other programs running. I use ad-aware to get rid of my spyware, not sure if that helps much. | Mewtwo
| | #23 posted October 20, 2004 at 8:55pm (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> Well, ATI fanboys, you get my vote, ATI Is the BEST video card brand ive used, alot better
> then NVIDIA but, anyways. I have usually 2 things in the system tray when I play(volume
> control and ATI control panel), and NO other programs running. I use ad-aware to get rid
> of my spyware, not sure if that helps much.
Run Hijackthis and post your scan results here.
Mewtwo
| ~It is what you do with the Gift of Life, that Determines who you are.~ |
| mikebrown
| | #24 posted October 21, 2004 at 12:13am (EST) |
hijackthis? | Mewtwo
| | #25 posted October 21, 2004 at 6:44am (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> hijackthis?
I program that will scan and show you everything that is listed to run each time you start up etc. It will show you the things running and you can "fix" them or whatnot. So if things like spyware is installed we can see and such. I want to see how many things are running on your computer and whatnot. Garbage things like qttask and such don't need to be there.
Mewtwo
| ~It is what you do with the Gift of Life, that Determines who you are.~ |
| mikebrown
| | #26 posted October 21, 2004 at 8:24am (EST) |
oh, well, can u tell me how to get it/run it? sorry. i've never heard of it before | Mewtwo
| #27 posted October 21, 2004 at 10:22am (EST)
edited October 21, 2004 at 10:23am (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> oh, well, can u tell me how to get it/run it? sorry. i've never heard of it before
http://www.spychecker.com/program/hijackthis.html
Edit: A word of caution. When you run it. Just run it and post the scan results here. Do not attempt to remove (Check and Fix) things unless you know what your doing. If you remove key things you can screw up your windows boot etc.. (Have problems booting into windows etc..).
So just run it and post the scan results here. Don't actually click any of the boxes and select. "Fix this item" or anything.
Don't want you to screw up your computer and then come back blaming me for it.
Mewtwo
| ~It is what you do with the Gift of Life, that Determines who you are.~ |
| mikebrown
| | #28 posted October 21, 2004 at 12:44pm (EST) |
Logfile of HijackThis v1.97.7
Scan saved at 12:42:41 PM, on 10/21/2004
Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)
Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel\atiptaxx.exe
C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\wuauclt.exe
C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\wuauclt.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Mike Brown\My Documents\Applications & Shortcuts\HijackThis.exe
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.mail.yahoo.com/
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\epvcx.dll/sp.html#37049
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\epvcx.dll/sp.html#37049
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page_bak = about:blank
O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AudioDeck] C:\Program Files\VIAudioi\SBADeck\ADeck.exe 1
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ATIPTA] C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel\atiptaxx.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroCheck] C:\WINDOWS\System32\\NeroCheck.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [javasa.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\javasa.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [AIM] C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe -cnetwait.odl
O9 - Extra button: AIM (HKLM)
O15 - Trusted Zone: *.05p.com
O15 - Trusted Zone: *.scoobidoo.com
O15 - Trusted Zone: *.searchmiracle.com
O16 - DPF: {10000000-1000-0000-1000-000000000000} - file://C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\cmdidyjc.exe
O16 - DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} (Shockwave Flash Object) - http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/...
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{A0057AE4-5D8A-44CE-9150-D4D6770883FF}: NameServer = 166.102.165.11 166.102.165.13
Here are the scan results, let me know whats up! Thanks alot. | Mewtwo
| | #29 posted October 21, 2004 at 7:05pm (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> Logfile of HijackThis v1.97.7
> Scan saved at 12:42:41 PM, on 10/21/2004
> Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
> MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)
>
> Running processes:
> C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\System32\Ati2evxx.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
> C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel\atiptaxx.exe
> C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\System32\wuauclt.exe
> C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe
> C:\WINDOWS\System32\wuauclt.exe (I'm wondering why you have two of these listed here... Should be safe to remove one but I'm going to ask someone else.)
> C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
> C:\Documents and Settings\Mike Brown\My Documents\Applications & Shortcuts\HijackThis.exe
>
> R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.mail.yahoo.com/
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\epvcx.dll/sp.html#37049
> R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\epvcx.dll/sp.html#37049
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page_bak = about:blank
> O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AudioDeck] C:\Program Files\VIAudioi\SBADeck\ADeck.exe 1 (Do you use a program called Audio Deck? It is always loaded? This might not be needed.)
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ATIPTA] C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel\atiptaxx.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroCheck] C:\WINDOWS\System32\\NeroCheck.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [javasa.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\javasa.exe
> O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [AIM] C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe -cnetwait.odl (I am not sure about this... AIM+Cnet? Hmmm )
> O9 - Extra button: AIM (HKLM)
> O15 - Trusted Zone: *.05p.com (These trusted zones... you have certain settings set to allow trusted zones? Did you do this yourself?)
> O15 - Trusted Zone: *.scoobidoo.com
> O15 - Trusted Zone: *.searchmiracle.com
> O16 - DPF: {10000000-1000-0000-1000-000000000000} - file://C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\cmdidyjc.exe (Again I do not reconize this... I'm going to ask someone like John or such to see if he can come here and tell you what you can safely remove)
> O16 - DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} (Shockwave Flash Object) - http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/...
> O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{A0057AE4-5D8A-44CE-9150-D4D6770883FF}: NameServer
> = 166.102.165.11 166.102.165.13
>
>
> Here are the scan results, let me know whats up! Thanks alot.
Ok I'm going to go see if I can get John or someone else to look this over.
Mewtwo
| ~It is what you do with the Gift of Life, that Determines who you are.~ |
| mikebrown
| | #30 posted October 21, 2004 at 8:47pm (EST) |
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AudioDeck] C:\Program Files\VIAudioi\SBADeck\ADeck.exe 1 (Do you use a program called Audio Deck? It is always loaded? This might not be needed.)
- - - I need the Audio Deck, it came with the drivers for my audio device..cant listen to stuff without it!
> O15 - Trusted Zone: *.05p.com (These trusted zones... you have certain settings set to allow trusted zones? Did you do this yourself?)
- - - I dont even know what a trusted zone is... | John
  
 
| | #31 posted October 22, 2004 at 9:21am (EST) |
mikebrown wrote:
> Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
You should probably install SP2 sometime... Just a side note there.
> C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe
> C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe
Are you shutting these down before you play Doom3? You don't need/want AIM running when you are playing.
I would check and remove these probably...
> R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\epvcx.dll/sp.html#37049
> R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = res://C:\WINDOWS\epvcx.dll/sp.html#37049
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroCheck] C:\WINDOWS\System32\\NeroCheck.exe
> O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [javasa.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\javasa.exe
> O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [AIM] C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe -cnetwait.odl
-- unless you want AIM running when you boot. I wouldn't, but that's me.
> O15 - Trusted Zone: *.05p.com
> O15 - Trusted Zone: *.scoobidoo.com
> O15 - Trusted Zone: *.searchmiracle.com
> O16 - DPF: {10000000-1000-0000-1000-000000000000} - file://C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\cmdidyjc.exe
- I don't recognize that DPF at all. Odd. Remove it.
> O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{A0057AE4-5D8A-44CE-9150-D4D6770883FF}: NameServer
> = 166.102.165.11 166.102.165.13
> Here are the scan results, let me know whats up! Thanks alot.
Well, that's what I'd do -- but I'm not convinced anything there will change your Doom3 experience much.
That 9600Pro should run Doom3 quite nicely, actually. I'm not sure why you are having such trouble and I don't see anything obvious in your process list.
Sorry...
- John...
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| | #32 posted October 22, 2004 at 12:47pm (EST) |
Well, thanks alot for taking the time to help me out, or try to anyways. You've all been a great help to me. I appreciate this very much. I turned shadows and a few things off and its running quite nicely now. Thanks again! |
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