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icemanxp300
| #1 posted October 25, 2009 at 7:58pm (EST)
edited November 6, 2009 at 1:33pm (EST) |
Allright well my pc is like 8 years old. I really need a new one. Last I researched like 3 years ago amd had surpassed intel in processors as far as gaming goes. The sli was they way to go. It seems windows 7, 64 would be the only way to go these days from going from really old. Anyhow what is the way to go these days. Not looking to spend 3,000 But I also don't want junk.
I will be requiring it fits in this case.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N8...
As far as ram and what not I want heat spreaders. Not too up to date on difference in ddr2 and ddr3, however I read in maximum pc for price difference ddr3 is not worth it. I also need a burner that supports over burning.
I as well have never atcually built a complete pc from scratch. I have replaced processors, vid cards, ram everything. In my college days I would remove all compents and replace them. The part I question is actually installing the windows itself on the HD. I have reformatted and done full recoverys. I however have never taken a HD w/no windows and installed.
So whats the deal is it still with primary, secondary and all that in Bios, and how does one get the correct settings for Bios. You know stuff like this.
List of parts.
well we will see what I'm looking at for prices. lets see fill in the blanks here as we go lol.
case-$80 RAIDMAX Sirius ATX-701WS Silver Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
O/S-$55 Windows 7 pro oem full install
Processor-AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGIBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.asp...
mb/processor combo =$300
Mother board- ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Video Card-$255 EVGA 896-P3-1170-AR GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Ram-$80 Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Hard Drive-$55 Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
DVD/CD burner-$53 PLEXTOR Black SATA 24X DVD/CD Writer LightScribe Support PX-880SA-retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Power Supply- $115 Antec TruePower New TP-750 Blue 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Mouse $18.99 to get over $1000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
| RagingShadow07
  
 
| | #2 posted October 25, 2009 at 8:35pm (EST) |
I'll try to respond to your post in order of what you said.
Intel is ahead of AMD at the moment, with i7 being the dominant processor, but it comes at a heavy premium price of $100-200 more than the competition, due to the ridiculously expensive motherboards and an entry price of $280 for the i7 920 processor. AMD is the leader of price-to-performance for the low-mid-and mid-high range processors. It comes down to if you want the best for the money, or just the flat-out 'best'.
Seeing as how that case is a normal ATX, it complies with the form factor standards of most motherboards now, so you have a wide variety of options. You will, however, want to get a new quality power supply.
Most RAM today has heat spreaders, so you've got a lot of options for that. Sadly, at this point, DDR3 is pretty much cheaper than DDR2, and motherboards with DDR3 support are as low as $100 on the AMD side. DVD burners are in the $30-50 range, so it's not a premium product.
If you've ever done a full recovery on a Dell system, it's pretty similar to a complete install. You just set the partitions you want, and set it to install on a drive, then enter the license key after it's done.
Not sure what you mean by primary and secondary and etc. You set a boot order (DVD/CD, HDD, removable, floppy, etc) and then set the order of which it'd boot (example: With more than one HDD, you select which the system boots from).
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 | icemanxp300
| | #3 posted October 25, 2009 at 9:21pm (EST) |
Well, I have a sony and my cd's were corrupred so I used dell recovery cd's and reinstalled windows and did it that. As far as primary and secondary, maybe this is old however I'm pretty sure it was switches on the hard drive itself. I also remember something about primary slave and secondary slave inside bios. | RagingShadow07
| | #4 posted October 25, 2009 at 9:28pm (EST) |
That's for IDE. Using SATA drives, you just have to select a boot order for the HDDs in the BIOS. I believe the pins/jumpers on a SATA HDD are to toggle it to SATA 1.5Gb/s mode.
Were you looking to get any kind of recommendations on parts, by the way? Or were you just wondering about the current state of PC hardware?
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| icemanxp300
| | #5 posted October 25, 2009 at 10:24pm (EST) |
I was looking on recommendations as well. I was going to scroll through some past maximum pc issues online and see what they recommend, however, I think they post which people pay them lol. I would probably be looking at the amd stuff, a bit cheaper. I want quality parts though. I mean no reason to skimp on something like ram w/no heat spreader to save $10.
I def. want a 64 bit processor it would make no sense to go w/32 bit at this point in time I don't think. Except it could save me $$ if I use xp home and my key. As far as video cards I'm not an ati fan. I want the option of sli. Buy one card now and one later. No onboard video or audio.
I'm pretty much noobish to anything out these days as far as hardware goes. | RagingShadow07
| #6 posted October 25, 2009 at 11:06pm (EST)
edited October 25, 2009 at 11:08pm (EST) |
64 bit is standard on every CPU now, even in the Intel Atom processors. You won't be saving anything by going 32-bit.
As usual with recommendations, AMD gets my vote for being, as I said, best price for performance. If you're on a budget and go with Intel, most of the time you're going to end up paying premium for the motherboard and CPU, and have to get crappy hardware somewhere down the parts list.
Since AMD has quad-cores for as low as $100, I see no reason not to go 3 or 4 cores instead of a traditional dual-core. Their 'lowest-end' is the Athlon II X4 620 which is a 2.6GHz quad-core. It's got an integrated DDR2 and DDR3 memory controller, which means you can get a board with either/or, depending on your preferences. A slight upgrade would be the 95 watt Phenom II X4 945 which is 200MHz clock higher, and has 6MB L3 cache. It has a DDR2 and DDR3 controller as well.
I recommend Gigabyte brand motherboards, especially for you, since you're unfamiliar with newer BIOS. They have Dual BIOS, so if one gets corrupted for one reason or another, the other one will back the broken one up, or so advertised. I've had bad experiences with ASUS in the past, so I won't recommend them.
I go with AMD chipsets over NVIDIA, due to having one die on me before, and I like the whole compatibility factor between an AMD CPU and motherboard. For AMD, you have the 785G, 790X, 790GX, and 790FX chipsets.
785G is the most basic, with one PCIe 2.0 x16 for a full graphics card, 6 SATA, and an integrated Radeon 4200 video chipset. There's a few models, like the DDR3 version and the DDR2 version.
790X and 790GX are essentially the same, with the exception of the 790X not having integrated graphics. They both offer x8 x8 (half bandwidth) Crossfire (No SLI). They also have DDR2 and DDR3 versions.
790FX is a 790X with full x16 x16 (Full bandwidth) Crossfire, and it's AMD's top of the line chipset. It's got DDR2 and DDR3 versions also.
Gigabyte is known to offer some nice features on its higher-end boards like the 790X, such as a dedicated SATA controller with 2 or more extra SATA ports, and etc. as well.
Be warned, though, that with the 620 quad-core, since it's new, you may need to do a BIOS update before it can be used, so you may have to have another CPU handy, or buy and return one from a store or Newegg.
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| Master_Z
| | #7 posted October 26, 2009 at 1:51pm (EST) |
OS: Definitely go with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit. Get the OEM version off Newegg, so you'll only be paying around 100 bucks.
CPU: Intel is far better in terms of performance than AMD. If you have enough money, get a Core i7 CPU. Not only is it the latest quad core, but it also has hyperthreading, so your PC reads it as 8 CPUs. If you don't feel like paying 280+ dollars for one, get a lower end quad core.
RAM: 4GB is the bare minimum I would have right now. I recommend 8GB, preferably of DDR2-1066. DDR3 is pretty nice, but it has high latency and is a bit expensive.
Hard Drive: Don't get a terabyte drive. They haven't been out for a really long time, so it is still relatively experimental. I would go with 2 500GB SATA II drives with 32MB cache.
Video Card: ATI is currently the leader here, no question about it. If you want something budget, crossfire two HD4850s or 4870s. If you're willing to pay, definitely get a 5870.
These are just some general guidelines. Make sure you shop at Newegg; its prices are usually low and come with free 3 day shipping. | RagingShadow07
| | #8 posted October 26, 2009 at 2:01pm (EST) |
Terabyte drives have been out for 2 years or more now. The 7200.12 generation has great performance and reliability according to reviews. It was Seagate's 7200.11 series that had problems.
ATI is only the leader for now. They'll be put back in second place when GT300 is released. The stock cooling on the 4000 series cards is absolutely pathetic, so if you don't like your room heating up, I suggest paying a little extra and getting a solid NVIDIA card (EVGA FTW, in my opinion) where they know how to make a good reference design heatsink.
You forgot about the X58 board premium price, by the way, Master_Z. the i7 920 is $80 more than AMD's top-end, and then $100 or more extra for a board.
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| icemanxp300
| | #9 posted October 26, 2009 at 2:20pm (EST) |
Master_Z wrote:
> OS: Definitely go with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit. Get the OEM
> version off Newegg, so you'll only be paying around 100 bucks.
Well I know this is a definite no. I am not buying any oem unless it's the $30 college deal, I am trying to get a copy of. Besides that it will be retail for me. I want amd for the processor I believe. Hyper threading would definitely be good.
I am not an ati radeon fan. The early cards did not support T&L and it left me a bad impression on Radeon (TY BF1942). Unless they have way surpassed themselves in the past 8 years. W/this in mind I would like SLI unless I did do ati then crossfire.
I'll have to look at ram prices and see what they are but if ddr3 is only like an extra $10 per stick or something simple I would pay the extra, you know bang for the buck.
Now educate me on all this dual core quad core stuff. Is it multiple processors I have to buy or what? I mean calling something dual or quad is kinda dumb if it is only one processor that does the work of 2 or 4, in my opinion. Unles it is like 2 or 4 processors together that make up one unit. So in theory it is actually 2 or 4 you are buying just all in one. | RagingShadow07
| #10 posted October 26, 2009 at 2:26pm (EST)
edited October 26, 2009 at 2:27pm (EST) |
Single core = One core on a chip
Dual-core = Two cores on a chip
Triple-Core = Three cores on a chip
Quad-core = Four cores on a chip
Core meaning a logical processor. So for a quad-core, you've got 4 processors instead of just one. It's all one unit. You buy one processor that has 1, 2, 3, or 4 cores (which ARE processors themselves) and install that. There's one physical processor you have to install, with the CPUs onboard that.
AMD doesn't have hyper-threading on any CPUs, and that's the premium you're paying for when you get i7, besides the Intel name. In benchmarks I've seen, it only really helps in video editing. No game that I know of is optimized to support 8 threads. And the Phenom II will usually tie the i7 in gaming benchmarks.
ATI has caught up to NVIDIA, almost, yes. At the moment, due to NVIDIA taking its time to perfect the GT300 architecture, ATI has the performance lead, but NVIDIA is more than confident that it will regain that when GT300 is released.
NVIDIA is also the only one to offer PhysX on chip, for hardware accelerated Physics processing on compatible games, which takes work off of the CPU. They've also got a few programs out and upcoming that use the GPU as the processor, such as ones to convert video in less time than with a CPU. ATI doesn't have CUDA, as far as I know.
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| DefaultGen
 
| | #11 posted October 26, 2009 at 2:38pm (EST) |
ATi has the best budget GPUs right now (I can't even think of Nvidia's midrange right now, are they still on the 9xxx series?). Get the single best GPU you can afford, going SLi or Crossfire out of the box is a bad idea. Also quad core is worth investing in at this point, any major new game will support it. Elder Scrolls, Call of Duty, BioShock, Crysis, GTA, any RTS...
Also, don't let company fanboyism take over reason. Buy whatever suits your needs at the right price.
 | RagingShadow07
| | #12 posted October 26, 2009 at 2:41pm (EST) |
NVIDIA had a slight mid-range upgrade. I'll admit, they're lacking right now due to re-branding and investing their time into GT300, but the GTS 250, their mid-range card, isn't bad. It'll usually kill a 4850 in head to head benchmarks (leaving out Bioshock since it's an ATI game and WiC since it's an NVIDIA game), runs cooler, and uses less power as well. It's about the same price, too ($125'ish).
I agree with Default on the quad-core thing. Like I said, with quad-cores as cheap as $100 on the AMD side, there's no reason not to get one.
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| DefaultGen
| | #13 posted October 26, 2009 at 2:54pm (EST) |
Also don't get an HD 4850 however cheap it may be. Those things are gosh darn hot. It literally melted the some plastic (I forgot where) during a long Crysis session. After buying one of those, running temps have been a top concern in GPUs I buy.
| icemanxp300
| | #14 posted October 26, 2009 at 2:57pm (EST) |
DefaultGen wrote:
> going SLi or Crossfire out of the
> box is a bad idea.
>
You think going sli or crossfire is bad? | DefaultGen
| #15 posted October 26, 2009 at 3:07pm (EST)
edited October 26, 2009 at 3:08pm (EST) |
1. Microstuttering - http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1317582
2. It costs more for inproportional gains. You're not paying twice as much for twice the performance.
Also make sure you get a good PSU. I hope you're not using that crappy case PSU.
| RagingShadow07
| | #16 posted October 26, 2009 at 3:31pm (EST) |
If you're concerned about getting good performance, then just save up and wait for GT300, and buy their top-end card. It should be better than any two (not counting the 4870X2 and GTX 295) cards in SLI/Crossfire combined. And you'll never see a 2X performance gain. Sometimes it's 1.3X or none at all if the game doesn't support it.
And as Default said, DEFINITELY pay premium price for a good brand PSU. Go with Corsair, Antec, PC Power & Cooling, or etc. quality brands. Budget PSU means it's likely to explode and take something down with it.
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| icemanxp300
| | #17 posted October 26, 2009 at 3:39pm (EST) |
Well I plan on this being my xmas list hahaha. I am looking to see what I need and then this is all people will be getting from a list from me. It's not like something I will have built next week. So I definitley have time. I will also be selling some games to fund this as well. I'm hoping to get someone in college to get my that $30 deal before it's gone.
As far as power supply. I seen ones awhile ago w/detachable plugs I believe so you only use what you need. I think I want something like that. | RagingShadow07
| | #18 posted October 26, 2009 at 3:46pm (EST) |
Those are called modular power supplies. Corsair and Antec have them, among other brands. They usually bring up the price on the power supply by $30 or more, though.
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| icemanxp300
| #19 posted October 26, 2009 at 3:58pm (EST)
edited October 29, 2009 at 7:20pm (EST) |
well we will see what I'm looking at for prices. lets see fill in the blanks here as we go lol.
case-$65 X-blade silver gaming case
O/S-$55- Windows 7 pro oem full install
Processor-$180 AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Mother board-
Video Card-
Ram-
Hard Drive-
DVD/CD burner-
Sound card-
Power Supply-
cooling-
Add anything I'm forgetting, additional stuff hardware, goop (put on processor) lol.
I have a decent monitor, mouse, speakers, keyboard, these not needed.
LOL I forgot as far as HD's go one @500gb would be plenty I don't need 2. My HD now is 60gb. Sad I know. I probably don't even need 500gb. | VastoLorde
 
| | #20 posted October 26, 2009 at 3:59pm (EST) |
How much are the GT300 cards going to cost?
Remnant Gaming | RagingShadow07
| | #21 posted October 26, 2009 at 4:17pm (EST) |
iceman, heatsinks come with a coat of thermal compound already on them, so if you're not going to go aftermarket, that'll do.
GT300 should be around the $400 range for the high-end card and probably $500-600 for the dual GPU, which comes out later.
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| icemanxp300
| | #22 posted October 26, 2009 at 4:31pm (EST) |
RagingShadow07 wrote:
> iceman, heatsinks come with a coat of thermal compound already on
> them, so if you're not going to go aftermarket, that'll do.
>
> GT300 should be around the $400 range for the high-end card and probably
> $500-600 for the dual GPU, which comes out later.
>
Ummm yea. I'm much lower end than this hahaha. I don't need any $400 card. I think $150 range is probably good for me lol.I know this was in response to VastoLorde but just saying. What I'm looking at will probably be in the $900 range for hardware plus the OS. | icemanxp300
| #23 posted October 26, 2009 at 4:42pm (EST)
edited October 26, 2009 at 4:53pm (EST) |
Lets start off w/a processor and build from there. How is this one in comparison to price and what you get.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
I noticed it has no L3 cache is that important? below the phenom does for a bit more.
edited below link to a btter choice
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8... | RagingShadow07
| | #24 posted October 27, 2009 at 12:24am (EST) |
If you're able to, I recommend spending slightly more than your planned $150 on a video card. I highly recommend the EVGA GTX 260, which is what I have, and it should be running games for years. Plus it's got a lifetime warranty as well if you register it within 30 days.
L3 cache is roughly a 10% performance increase in benchmarks I've seen. It's useful sometimes, but it's not a have-or-die thing, I don't believe. It's really up to you.
Also, the Phenom II 940 does not have a DDR3 memory controller. The 920 and 940 were rushed into production because AMD was running behind schedule to get the Phenom II series out, so they hadn't made any socket AM3 boards, yet. If you want DDR3, do a search on Newegg for Socket AM3 processors, as those are the ones with both DDR2 and DDR3 controllers.
Also, if you want to spend about $170 on a processor and think you're going to want DDR3 in the future (or at least more motherboard options now or later), go for the Phenom II 945 (make sure you get the 95 watt version, since it has a lower power and heat output). Since it's an older CPU, it should have no problems just going right into an AMD chipset board with no BIOS update (although I recommend you update the BIOS to the newest version when you get the chance).
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| icemanxp300
| #25 posted October 27, 2009 at 2:09am (EST)
edited October 27, 2009 at 2:22am (EST) |
How important is L1 cache?
Would this be a better deal than the 945 only difference is it's 3.2 instead of 3.0 and its 125watt not 95 and its $15 more
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8... | antwaan
| #26 posted October 27, 2009 at 2:33am (EST)
edited October 27, 2009 at 2:35am (EST) |
Master_Z wrote:
>
> RAM: 4GB is the bare minimum I would have right now. I recommend 8GB,
> preferably of DDR2-1066. DDR3 is pretty nice, but it has high latency
> and is a bit expensive.
>
what in the world would you need 8gb for. maybe if you're helping make transformers 3 or something. 4gb of ddr2 or 6gb of ddr3.
Oh yeah i only skimmed through this topic but as i've always said, never cheap out on 2 things: the motherboard and the power supply.
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 | RagingShadow07
| #27 posted October 27, 2009 at 2:42am (EST)
edited October 27, 2009 at 2:43am (EST) |
I don't believe L1 is an important thing to look at. Or, at least, it's less important than L2 and L3, since L2/L3 have varying quantities, and both AMD and Intel usually have the same amount of L1 in their respective processors.
The 955 is AMD's second most powerful CPU at the moment, next to the 3.4GHz clocked 965. It would be my recommendation for a high-end processor, and Black Edition CPUs usually come with a stock heatsink more than capable of keeping the CPU's temps manageable at stock speeds. It's probably going to be what I upgrade to soon, to be honest,  .
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| icemanxp300
| | #28 posted October 27, 2009 at 8:25am (EST) |
Ok as for as Mobo goes I really only have a small handfull. Two to be exact from newegg if only choosing asus or gigabyte. However asus has an onboard video chipset, it that needed?
Also real quick that college windows 7 I am trying to get a copy of that will work on a clean install like this right? | VastoLorde
| #29 posted October 27, 2009 at 8:26am (EST)
edited October 27, 2009 at 8:29am (EST) |
You should get that AMD Quad Core for $99 and get a Radeon 4890 for about $180. Radeon 4890 is hands down the best card available for less than $200 and is still one of the best cards on the market.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Remnant Gaming | antwaan
| | #30 posted October 27, 2009 at 9:55am (EST) |
no you wont need a video chipset, that is what your video card will be for.
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| icemanxp300
| | #31 posted October 27, 2009 at 10:10am (EST) |
antwaan wrote:
> no you wont need a video chipset, that is what your video card will
> be for.
>
Ok thats what I thought it was at first. | RagingShadow07
| | #32 posted October 27, 2009 at 11:12am (EST) |
Onboard video is good to have as a backup in case your main video card fails, but isn't a must-have feature. It's also not included on most higher-end boards.
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| antwaan
| | #33 posted October 27, 2009 at 11:34am (EST) |
yeah its good to have but don't base your mobo decision off of it. You'll likely never even use it.
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| icemanxp300
| | #34 posted October 27, 2009 at 11:50am (EST) |
icemanxp300 wrote:
>
> Also real quick that college windows 7 I am trying to get a copy of
> that will work on a clean install like this right?
| RagingShadow07
| | #35 posted October 27, 2009 at 11:59am (EST) |
Not really sure. Should be a retail or OEM copy, both of which allow clean installs. If it's an upgrade version, you have to be on XP or Vista to legally be able to upgrade.
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| icemanxp300
| | #36 posted October 27, 2009 at 4:03pm (EST) |
VastoLorde wrote:
> You should get that AMD Quad Core for $99 and get a Radeon 4890 for
> about $180. Radeon 4890 is hands down the best card available for
> less than $200 and is still one of the best cards on the market.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
>
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
>
Votes: the $180 AMD Phenom II X4 955 or the AMD Quad Core for $99 | RagingShadow07
| | #37 posted October 27, 2009 at 4:07pm (EST) |
Tough choice, lol. I vote for the 955 so you'll get a little extra performance that'll last a couple months longer than the 620.
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| icemanxp300
| | #38 posted October 27, 2009 at 4:20pm (EST) |
I was thinking the 955 because it appears to have high oc ability, for the down the road if I need it lol. | RagingShadow07
| | #39 posted October 27, 2009 at 4:24pm (EST) |
Well, it should be noted that almost every Athlon II or Phenom II hits a barrier around 4GHz or a little before that makes it hard to overclock without high-end cooling, but with that said, Black Edition comes with a good stock heatsink, and upping the multiplier means you don't have to stress the RAM out if you want to OC just the CPU.
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| Master_Z
| | #40 posted October 27, 2009 at 9:46pm (EST) |
icemanxp300 wrote:
> Master_Z wrote:
>> OS: Definitely go with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit. Get the OEM
>> version off Newegg, so you'll only be paying around 100 bucks.
>
>
> Well I know this is a definite no. I am not buying any oem unless
> it's the $30 college deal, I am trying to get a copy of. Besides that
> it will be retail for me. I want amd for the processor I believe.
> Hyper threading would definitely be good.
>
> I am not an ati radeon fan. The early cards did not support T&L and
> it left me a bad impression on Radeon (TY BF1942). Unless they have
> way surpassed themselves in the past 8 years. W/this in mind I would
> like SLI unless I did do ati then crossfire.
>
> I'll have to look at ram prices and see what they are but if ddr3
> is only like an extra $10 per stick or something simple I would pay
> the extra, you know bang for the buck.
>
> Now educate me on all this dual core quad core stuff. Is it multiple
> processors I have to buy or what? I mean calling something dual or
> quad is kinda dumb if it is only one processor that does the work
> of 2 or 4, in my opinion. Unles it is like 2 or 4 processors together
> that make up one unit. So in theory it is actually 2 or 4 you are
> buying just all in one.
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