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DefaultGen
  
 
| #1 posted November 5, 2009 at 9:12pm (EST)
edited November 5, 2009 at 9:38pm (EST) |
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/pc-mode...
- 18 player game limit - Are you fudging kidding me!? Might as well be called "Modern Minor Battle 2"
- No console, can't change things like FOV or graphical tweaks.
- Can't kick players from games
- 5 second pause for host migration if host leaves game  IW.net sounds great.
Please don't buy this crap. Play the single player on one of your friend's console versions.
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willyum
  
| | #2 posted November 5, 2009 at 9:30pm (EST) |
> Vince-IW: We would like you to play the game the way we designed and balanced it.
So they made the game, and are telling you how to play it? They may as well make it a rail shooter like Hogan's Alley or Duck Hunt.
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DefaultGen
| | #3 posted November 5, 2009 at 9:34pm (EST) |
Hey, an IW Hogan's Alley that I wouldn't have to worry about them crapty up the PC version for would be pretty sweet.
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willyum
| | #4 posted November 5, 2009 at 9:36pm (EST) |
On a side note, Who Shot Johnny Rock was awesome.
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antwaan
| | #5 posted November 5, 2009 at 9:40pm (EST) |
yeah i was sold on the pc version until all of this so i bought it on ps3 instead. I'll use my pc for dragon age and l4d2
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vDub
 
| | #6 posted November 5, 2009 at 10:04pm (EST) |
have you played the L4D2 demo yet?
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millenium_dare
 
| | #7 posted November 5, 2009 at 10:06pm (EST) |
I'm sure when the game comes out and we see how awesome it is we'll all look back and laugh at the fuss we made...
...right?
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vDub
| | #8 posted November 5, 2009 at 10:15pm (EST) |
To be honest, I don't think anyone needs to be making a fuss in the first place. While I understand some of the gripes, nothing what DefaultGen mentioned is going to cause any problems for the casual player.
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antwaan
| | #9 posted November 5, 2009 at 10:36pm (EST) |
yeah i've played the l4d2 demo, loved it.
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DefaultGen
| | #10 posted November 6, 2009 at 1:49am (EST) |
vDub wrote:
> To be honest, I don't think anyone needs to be making a fuss in the
> first place. While I understand some of the gripes, nothing what DefaultGen
> mentioned is going to cause any problems for the casual player.
>
Not to be some kind of elitist but casual gamers generally don't play games on PC. PC gamers are the ones who want everything to the max.
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RagingShadow07
| | #11 posted November 6, 2009 at 11:17am (EST) |
Not to mention, the ones that usually get ignored due to greedy bastard developers catering to consoles since they're the primary source of income.
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shady520
| | #12 posted November 6, 2009 at 12:21pm (EST) |
RagingShadow07 wrote:
> Not to mention, the ones that usually get ignored due to greedy bastard
> developers catering to consoles since they're the primary source of
> income.
>
okay i really like you raging but come on what is with all the console hate? i don't see how they are catering to console. is the xbox 360 version getting dedicated servers with mod and map tools i am unaware of? no they are not, personally they are catering more to pc gamers by making IW.net but the pc community is highly skeptical and don't think it is a good thing which might just be true. |
RagingShadow07
| #13 posted November 6, 2009 at 12:33pm (EST)
edited November 6, 2009 at 12:36pm (EST) |
It's not what the 360/PS3 is getting. It's what the PC Is NOT getting. CoD4 and World at War had dedicated servers, mod support, and the maps were free. Not to mention there was a 32 player cap instead of 18.
I don't even understand their reasoning behind IWNet, unless they were completely oblivious to the fact that dedicated servers has been a PC tradition for years now.
For the record, though, I'm not really hating consoles. I'm hating the developers that spend 90% of their time developing games for consoles, and then charge full-price for an extremely poor port to PC, which is often bugged to hell and back and has performance issues. Activision doing this to Modern Warfare 2 is just the thing that infuriates me the most.
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DefaultGen
| | #14 posted November 6, 2009 at 1:03pm (EST) |
shady520 wrote:
> okay i really like you raging but come on what is with all the console
> hate?
The only real mention of consoles has been console gamers not understanding why this is a big deal to the PC community.
It would be like if a $70 Xbox 360 game came out that had 8-player game limits and no voice chat. Even if parity were achieved across all platforms, it would still be paying more for less than you've always got.
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shady520
| #15 posted November 6, 2009 at 1:50pm (EST)
edited November 6, 2009 at 1:50pm (EST) |
no i understand whats going on and i think it will have some good features but i agree that it will most likely suck especially with the no mod tools and for the ~200-400 multi country clans with no dedicated servers, but almost every pc gamer i hear complain is trying to blame that consoles are getting all the attention which is actually the opposite, the really only new feature i have heard of that was for console gamers were the complete mute from in game, other than that they just made the game for consoles and pc players then have been throwing all this spare time into iw.net and that console gamers and consoles are to blame. |
DefaultGen
| | #16 posted November 6, 2009 at 2:42pm (EST) |
Consoles do get the development attention, what are you talking about? Most multiplat games now are made for consoles then ported to PC. Consoles are where the market is, so that's where attention is focused. PC ports today have been especially lazy, often having low-res textures from the console versions and crappy framerates from bad optimization.
IW is making IW.net to combat piracy. It's not a "feature", it's another method of hurting end users, and probably the most severe one ever taken.
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shady520
| #17 posted November 6, 2009 at 3:02pm (EST)
edited November 6, 2009 at 3:04pm (EST) |
Actually IW.net was not to prevent piracy, that was what the partnership with steam was for and it is a feature because it is exclusive to the pc version of MW2 to have the ability to have something like XBL and PSN by giving you friends list, private matches, public matches, networking, matchmaking, etc..
Most multi platform games are made on a PC with the console in mind, and it is made in the creators vision so if they put low res textures crappy framerates that is strictly on the developer and their pc optimization of the game and has nothing to do with the console which you blame, basically what your saying is a game like Dragon Age: Origins should have been developed on Bioware's new engine for the pc but the console versions should be made with the old Never Winter Nights engine but because they didn't they spent most of there time and resources on the console.
Also what is a console really nowadays, a pc. Heck even MS has came out and made the development tools the same as if it were being developed strictly for the pc.
Edit: Also yes i do agree that IW.net is going to be more bad than good, but hopefully it might change over time. |
DefaultGen
| | #18 posted November 6, 2009 at 3:10pm (EST) |
Dragon Age is clearly a PC game. It was gimped for consoles. That's clearly an exception. Look at games like Assassin's Creed, GTA4, and Resident Evil 4.
Why would IW.Net be a feature if 100% of the PC community is against it? We don't have things like friends lists, we just jump into the private server where all our friends are already playing. We don't need private matches, we add or remove passwords from our servers. We don't need networking features since we can alt+tab to a browser or IM client. If you can find a PC gamer who's been begging for matchmaking, then I'll concede to that.
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shady520
| #19 posted November 6, 2009 at 3:23pm (EST)
edited November 6, 2009 at 3:24pm (EST) |
Just because about 99.9% of the community is against still doesn't mean it is not a feature, you don't have to like features for them to be one, an example would be hardcore in CoD4 where there are about 15x the amount of people in regular versions of the games because they don't like it or like how in CoD:WaW people constantly talk crap and hate people who wear juggernaut and constantly dog on the forums that they need to get rid of it or fix it.
I used Dragon Age as an example because im not doging about it being a pc port or anything but i take it for what it is, the creator's vision and if i don't like something about it i don't blame the PC platform one bit but i come out and say the developers did this sloppy or the should've added this or this feature pisses me the fudge off! |
slugger
| | #20 posted November 6, 2009 at 3:30pm (EST) |
Yeah, I hope nobody buys it for PC. |
guncrazy90
 
| | #21 posted November 6, 2009 at 3:44pm (EST) |
Yeah I'm hating console gamers responses to this whole ordeal
They have no idea what all of these removed features mean to the PC community 
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DefaultGen
| | #22 posted November 6, 2009 at 5:29pm (EST) |
Why do console gamers come to the PC forum to belittle our issues anyway :[
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knighthawk
| | #23 posted November 6, 2009 at 5:35pm (EST) |
DefaultGen wrote:
> Why do console gamers come to the PC forum to belittle our issues
> anyway :[
i'm fully with ya default. i'm not getting this crap for pc. think i may just pass on it all together. plenty of other games available.
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cesar93
| | #24 posted November 6, 2009 at 6:09pm (EST) |
PC?....... Who cares!!! |
RagingShadow07
| | #25 posted November 6, 2009 at 6:39pm (EST) |
knighthawk wrote:
> DefaultGen wrote:
>> Why do console gamers come to the PC forum to belittle our issues
>> anyway :[
>
> i'm fully with ya default. i'm not getting this crap for pc. think
> i may just pass on it all together. plenty of other games available.
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>
You were the one getting the GTX 280, right? What better game to test it out on than Shattered Horizon? 
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james2006
| #26 posted November 6, 2009 at 8:49pm (EST)
edited November 6, 2009 at 8:51pm (EST) |
cesar93 wrote:
> PC?....... Who cares!!!
I think we need a console forum, so us pc lads can come and pick
apart your primitive technology!
(primitive spelling error removed!)
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james2006
| #27 posted November 6, 2009 at 9:05pm (EST)
edited November 6, 2009 at 9:07pm (EST) |
All games are designed in C, and its not a hard thing to release a game
across all platforms at the same time. Games are just compiled into their
respective platform, and its done.
The problem lies in the fact that a pc is modular by design. We can swap
and change as we like (or our wallets), this goes double for software. This
is the PC biggest asset, and developers worse problem.
The consoles get better treatment, because its harder to copy games with
a console. It is in fact too easy to do it with a PC! But instead of working with
PCs, deveolpers will release a games on consoles and then release PC versions
several months later.
Iam looking forward to:
Assassin Creed 2 For consoles (20 of november) -> Assassin Creed 2 for the PC (Spring 2010)
If it was the other way around, I would feel sympathetic for the console, because
that's not fair!
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DefaultGen
| | #28 posted November 6, 2009 at 9:08pm (EST) |
ohnoes, you tried to talk to a console troll with logic.
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knighthawk
| #29 posted November 7, 2009 at 9:54am (EST)
edited November 7, 2009 at 9:58am (EST) |
RagingShadow07 wrote:
> knighthawk wrote:
>> DefaultGen wrote:
> |>> Why do console gamers come to the PC forum to belittle our issues
> |>> anyway :[
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>> i'm fully with ya default. i'm not getting this crap for pc. think
>> i may just pass on it all together. plenty of other games available.
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> You were the one getting the GTX 280, right? What better game to test
> it out on than Shattered Horizon?
yeah that was me. good looking out on that game man. i have actually never heard of it b4 now. looks like it just released? damn those graphics look badass. gameplay looks crazy fun. props to a company trying something new in the FPS general.
update: wow. no support for XP or DirectX 9. Gutsy...
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icemanxp300
| | #30 posted November 7, 2009 at 10:57am (EST) |
shady520 wrote:
> Actually IW.net was not to prevent piracy, that was what the partnership
> with steam was for and it is a feature because it is exclusive to
> the pc version of MW2 to have the ability to have something like XBL
> and PSN by giving you friends list, private matches, public matches,
> networking, matchmaking, etc..
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Sorry not how it works. Pc gamers already have these features! We don't need a feature to give us what we already have duh! We already have friends list aka xfire and what not! Private matches are something we have already (well use to) it's called a passworded server. Public is already there this was completely dumb to even mention. The whole damn game is public now! Networking, matchmaking? wtf is it a dating site??
We have voice programs they are called ts and vent. Basically they are taking our rights and how we do things away from us. It's same thing as telling us that we have to change how we normally would do something. Such as a job. If you want to work here you can't drive a personell vehicle to work, you have to ride thecompany bus.
> Also what is a console really nowadays, a pc. Heck even MS has came
> out and made the development tools the same as if it were being developed
> strictly for the pc.
>
If a console was a pc why the fudge is it called a console?? They can give all this crap to consoles such as live chat and all this horsecrap, but bottom line is it's still a console. If you want to play multi why spend extra on services that have and should always be free on pc! Such as ts, vent, xfire, and all that. These are services we are allowed to use and by some douchebag telling us we can't is retarded. They are trying to force services we should not have to use on us! So they can make more $$. Then paying a monthly or yearly fee for crapbox live or whatever just to play multi is dumb. We all already pay for the interent, why pay to connect to it twice?????
> Edit: Also yes i do agree that IW.net is going to be more bad than
> good, but hopefully it might change over time.
What good is there?? What good can come from it??
We choose pc over console, pc will always own console in terms of how the game can be played unless limits such as these are applied. When limits such as these are applied it is no better than a console game anymore and defeats the purpose of buying it for pc. If we wanted limited play and options we would buy it for a crapbox or other inferior system. |
Gonchi
 
| | #31 posted November 7, 2009 at 9:55pm (EST) |
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Chiefmigrain
| | #32 posted November 8, 2009 at 3:32pm (EST) |
knighthawk wrote:
> DefaultGen wrote:
>> Why do console gamers come to the PC forum to belittle our issues
>> anyway :[
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> i'm fully with ya default. i'm not getting this crap for pc. think
> i may just pass on it all together. plenty of other games available.
So you have an Xbox 360 {your things under your profile}, but you're going to pass on it all together because of some things it doesn't have on pc. Why don't you just get it on Xbox 360 then. Also, some of you people's preception of [casual gamers only play on consolers} is totally wrong. I mean, I'm not a casual gamer, but I'm not a hardcore gamer either. It just depends on what they like. If I want a shooting game that's multi-platform I go to Xbox360 because I just like a controller better for those types of games and my friends are on their. Same for sports games [but that's a given, as they haven't even changed their graphics for Madden on PC yet, the graphics are like 7 years old}, for strategy games it's pc, even if it is released on the Xbox [see BFME 2} Im just used to playing shooters on consoles and strategy games on PC {though I'll make exceptions, like the exclusive platform or pc games such as Halo Wars for strategy on Xbox 360 and Crysis on PC for shooting.} |
RagingShadow07
| | #33 posted November 8, 2009 at 3:35pm (EST) |
Some of the people that aren't buying MW2 at all are pissed at the developer and publisher, rather than just pissed about what IW has done to the PC version, so there's going to be some that won't buy it, just because doing so would be supporting them. I'm one of the ones that won't be buying it at all, at least, until it gets dedicated servers.
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knighthawk
| | #34 posted November 8, 2009 at 5:01pm (EST) |
RagingShadow07 wrote:
> Some of the people that aren't buying MW2 at all are pissed at the
> developer and publisher, rather than just pissed about what IW has
> done to the PC version, so there's going to be some that won't buy
> it, just because doing so would be supporting them. I'm one of the
> ones that won't be buying it at all, at least, until it gets dedicated
> servers.
>
there ya go. if i do anything at all i'll rent it through gamefly next year sometime. or i know my friends are getting it so i may just borrow their copy. i just don't want to financially support it.
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DefaultGen
| | #35 posted November 8, 2009 at 8:14pm (EST) |
Borrowing this game is the way to go All your Xboxed friends will have it anyway.
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DefaultGen
| | #36 posted November 10, 2009 at 11:14am (EST) |
IWNet impressions: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/a2rkg/redd...
- About half the people don't seem to have lag problems
- Extremely negative experience from Australia. Virtually unable to play online. Getting lagged out/Hosts leaving.
- Many games are 6v6 since hosts can't even handle 9v9
- Players dog at host for having a crap connection, host leaves, game locks up for 30 seconds during host migration
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RagingShadow07
| | #37 posted November 10, 2009 at 12:10pm (EST) |
So... just as everyone expected? IWNet sucks, was a complete waste, and dedicated servers should be brought back?  Who would have thought?
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RagingShadow07
| | #38 posted November 10, 2009 at 1:31pm (EST) |
Bah... hypocrite though I may be, I went out and bought the game. I'm holding onto the hope that either A. I get lucky and get all good connections, or B. They put dedicated servers back in the game. Although single player will be the same.
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knighthawk
| | #39 posted November 10, 2009 at 1:44pm (EST) |
Raging!!!!! 
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millenium_dare
| | #40 posted November 10, 2009 at 2:09pm (EST) |
RagingShadow07 wrote:
> Bah... hypocrite though I may be, I went out and bought the game.
> I'm holding onto the hope that either A. I get lucky and get all good
> connections, or B. They put dedicated servers back in the game. Although
> single player will be the same.
>
I was at Fry's this morning to pick up a box of Cat5 cable and I happened to see MW2 for $50 so, I bought it. Installing right now...we'll see how this goes.
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