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NoNeedF0RaName
| | #1 posted December 30, 2007 at 2:32pm (EST) |
Coreymeansbusiness scammed me into sending a game at the same time. According to the delivery confirmation, he receive it on 12/24 yet he swears that he never did. He did the exact same thing to another user on this site. I haven't received his part of the deal either which I highly doubt he even sent out. Same story for the other guy on this board too. What can I do? His account is now inactive and he doesn't answer my phone calls. I've called the police in his area and they said they can't help me. I know this guy has our games because I looked up his XBox Live account and he has the two games on his recently played list. I need help!!! |
Eggplant_Wizard
 
| | #2 posted December 30, 2007 at 2:32pm (EST) |
http://gametz.com/forum/General/topic/287838.html#... |
MightySlacker
  
 
| | #3 posted December 30, 2007 at 2:35pm (EST) |
You want to know what to do?
DONT SEND FIRST TO SOMEONE WITH NO FEEDBACK
Dave
2004-07-22 17:30:17 Morph Mr. Funny man, get ready to have ur life get funnier
HAS HE LEARNED ANYTHING IN A YEAR?
7-Sep-2005 11:04pm Morph keep it up mighty i will have you nailed for harassment
HELL NO! |
CenturionElite
 
| #4 posted December 30, 2007 at 2:59pm (EST)
edited December 30, 2007 at 3:00pm (EST) |
Did you really call the police?
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Admiral
 
| | #5 posted December 30, 2007 at 3:04pm (EST) |
People will say call the police, file mail fraud, etc. But honestly - that doesn't work 99% of the time. If you only lost 2 games, be glad it wasn't more. You're screwed.
Take Mighty's advice - trade with multi-gold traders, not new traders. There are warnings all over the site when you try to trade with a noob, didn't you see those?
Chalk this one up to "lesson learned"... |
PeteKelly
 
| | #6 posted December 30, 2007 at 3:05pm (EST) |
Yeah that sucks man. When I was new to the site I got ripped too. The guy had like 1 or 2 trades. I had none so I sent to him and he conveniently disappeared and never replied to my emails signed into the site a few times after and then never came on again.
I just traded with NoNeedF0RaName and he was very quick in sending and all so, it sucks to see a good trader get ripped.
Stick to trading with people who have stars. Someone with hundreds of trades is way less likely to rip you. If they've put enough time into the site to get that much feedback chances are they're good. |
NoNeedF0RaName
| | #7 posted December 30, 2007 at 3:37pm (EST) |
Yeah, I really did call the police. Man, this pisses me off. I guess it IS my fault for sending at the same time, but I had low feedback too so I figured all would be well. |
benstylus
 
| #8 posted December 30, 2007 at 3:42pm (EST)
edited December 30, 2007 at 3:45pm (EST) |
Admiral wrote:
> People will say call the police, file mail fraud, etc. But honestly
> - that doesn't work 99% of the time. If you only lost 2 games, be
> glad it wasn't more. You're screwed.
>
> Take Mighty's advice - trade with multi-gold traders, not new traders.
> There are warnings all over the site when you try to trade with a
> noob, didn't you see those?
>
> Chalk this one up to "lesson learned"...
Agreed, but I still say call the police and file mail fraud anyway.
Mail fraud isn't usually something that gets investigated until a pattern shows up, and the more people that report being defrauded, the higher the chances of it being prosecuted.
It won't get your money back, but eventually might lead to some consequences for the guy.
Secondly, it IS possible to file a small claims lawsuit against someone - but the cost and time doing it would probably be far more effort than it's worth - even if he ends up paying legal fees. You have to decide if a $60 xbox 360 game is worth 80 hours of your life to try and recover (hint: it's not).
As was mentioned before... there are warnings about trading with new users... when you signed up (as part of the trader's oath), and again as you were making the trade, there is a big WARNING sign telling you NOT TO SEND FIRST TO NEW TRADERS. Were you just so excited to be getting the game you wanted that you just ignored all the warning signs? Or did you not even bother to read them?
Not trying to bash you, just wondering if there's anything bill can be doing to make the message more clear...
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steedley
| | #9 posted December 30, 2007 at 3:51pm (EST) |
Yeah just a couple months ago i was a new trader an only traded with star users an if i talked about a trade with another new user i just let them know that they would have to send first or else i would hold out to trade with a star trader. Hate that it happened i see you traded with Petekelly another great trader i traded with as well, if you just work on trading with good feedback you shouldn't run in to one of these problems since this is a great community of traders. Like benstylus said just read the warnings, an check there ratings an see if they have any active BTRs.
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NoNeedF0RaName
| | #10 posted December 30, 2007 at 4:36pm (EST) |
Yeah, I saw the warnings. And at first, I listened to them. I told the guy that he should send first. He then gave me a big ol' story about how he is trustworthy and he wouldn't dream of ripping anybody off and so on.... He said he just wanted each of us to get the game as soon as possible. Anyways, I stupidly decided to send it. So the site did its fair share of warning me. I just chose not to listen after being swooned by the guy. My bad. |
Pyramid_Party
 
| #11 posted December 30, 2007 at 4:41pm (EST)
edited December 30, 2007 at 4:42pm (EST) |
lately i been seeing ALOT of noobs trading with noobs. and i know its a disaster waiting to happen. i dont understand how a noob can send stuff thats valubale to another noob. ive seen noobs doing big trades too like sending PS3s and Wii's etc. i jsut dont get it. |
SneekyFlow
| | #12 posted December 30, 2007 at 4:49pm (EST) |
I was recently just scammed by a person with 189 feedback. First time on this site too. |
benstylus
| | #13 posted December 30, 2007 at 5:04pm (EST) |
sneekpeaks wrote:
> I was recently just scammed by a person with 189 feedback. First time
> on this site too.
well, he appears to be trying to fix things at least... bad circumstances in that case according to his responses to the BTRs.
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SneekyFlow
| | #14 posted December 30, 2007 at 5:08pm (EST) |
Well he said he sent weeks ago. Still nothing has came. RobandDianna had the same response. Then he said he'd give me $15 back instead of $20. Then once the game shows, I'd have to give the money back(which I have a feeling he would profit $5 since the game would never come and I end up with $15 instead of my original $20). So I just have my paypal complaint pending still. |
benstylus
| | #15 posted December 30, 2007 at 5:16pm (EST) |
oh i'm not saying you're in the wrong on it and a btr is definitely justified, but someone with that number of trades... if he were to turn into a scammer, i'd think he'd take as many people for a ride as he possibly could. (like Kyo9599 for example).
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SneekyFlow
| | #16 posted December 30, 2007 at 5:21pm (EST) |
You combine all of those people up who got scammed. File a police report with his county. He goes to jail for 6 months for aggregated theft  . |
mmm40x
(frozen)
| #17 posted December 30, 2007 at 8:38pm (EST)
edited December 30, 2007 at 9:28pm (EST) |
CenturionElite wrote:
> Did you really call the police?
>
I did it and it worked. Calling the kids mother didn't work.
Everyone has a photographic memory. Some people are just out of film.
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NoNeedF0RaName
| | #18 posted December 30, 2007 at 8:45pm (EST) |
What did you tell the police? All they told me as that they couldn't help me because I live in another state. They said to work it out with the guy and the website. |
mmm40x
(frozen)
| #19 posted December 30, 2007 at 9:08pm (EST)
edited December 30, 2007 at 9:29pm (EST) |
NoNeedF0RaName wrote:
> What did you tell the police? All they told me as
> that they couldn't help me because I live in another
> state. They said to work it out with the guy and the
> website.
I told them the kid sold me a box of junk. I explained the condition of the items and that he represented it as working condition. There was no way he didn't know the stuff didn't/wouldn't work. I gave him the kids name. Apparently, his named popped right up on the computer. Take a look at my bio. At the beginning I mention the kids name. Grab the detectives name and the city that kid lives in. Refer to how that detective handled my case from a previous incident that happened here at GTZ. That may help a bit. Try calling his home number and giving him all the info. you have on him and telling him you are going to the police, might scare the crap out of him. If he is young and living with his parents, talk to them Hopefully, his parents aren't deadbeats too.
Here's a link to the BTR. Like I say in my bio, I'm really easy to trade with but if you screw me over I turn into Mega dog! Mine is the second one.
BTR
Everyone has a photographic memory. Some people are just out of film.
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Starwave27
| #20 posted December 30, 2007 at 10:10pm (EST)
edited December 30, 2007 at 10:17pm (EST) |
Each state is different. Most won't do anything if the value of lost item or monetary is less than $1,000. Take this guy for example: http://gametz.com/user/Kyo9599.html
I called the police in his home town, they won't do anything unless he ripped off 100s of people. Basically what they're telling me is they don't have time to deal with small cases. I even called my local police and they can't do anything since the person lives out of state I live in. Other traders who filed BTRs on him got the same answers from the police as well. Eventhough I filed for mail fraud, they obviously won't do anything unless he did something like stole 100s and 100s of thousand $.
Although he was a trader, there will always be some sort of risk when trading with anyone over the net (hey I could be a risk  ). Best to do a little research like reading the feedbacks if the trader has lots of trades under his/her belt and requires those with lower feedback to send first (especially high value trades). Some high feedback traders don't have exactly a squeaky clean one (sends late a lot, not honest in describing items sent, etc.). If you still don't feel comfortable to send to a higher ranked trader, don't do the trade as NO ONE is forcing you to. The decision you make to send first or not is yours.
I forgot to add in one of my old trades, a detective did contacted me once via e-mail stating he found my check and the guy was arrested for mail fraud. This was before I even knew he was out to scam many people. He had nearly all excellent feedback, was a rank, trade was small like $10 so we sent at the same time. Turned out the police received info from one of the victims who traded with him had scammed many on other trading sites.
So I like said, each police from each state, county/city/town is different whether they want to go ahead and investigate the person scamming others. But first and foremost trade with more established traders and do some research if you are required to send first. |
NoNeedF0RaName
| | #21 posted December 31, 2007 at 12:28am (EST) |
Well, I just reported mail fraud and so did the other guy who got scammed by him (PS3ExcellentGamer). Hopefully some kind of justice will be obtained. |
Corona
| | #22 posted December 31, 2007 at 2:43am (EST) |
I think pretty much everyone here (to some extent or another) assumes there is a small chance (at least) they are going to get screwed every time they make a trade. How much they worry about it is probably based on the value of the trade or how paranoid they are in general.
Anyways, sorry to hear this crap happened to you so early in your trading on this site. |
nerdsgetchicks
| | #23 posted December 31, 2007 at 2:59am (EST) |
steedley wrote:
> Yeah just a couple months ago i was a new trader an only traded with
> star users an if i talked about a trade with another new user i just
> let them know that they would have to send first or else i would hold
> out to trade with a star trader. Hate that it happened i see you traded
> with Petekelly another great trader i traded with as well, if you
> just work on trading with good feedback you shouldn't run in to one
> of these problems since this is a great community of traders. Like
> benstylus said just read the warnings, an check there ratings an see
> if they have any active BTRs.
>
You have to file a claim in the defendants home county. So unless you plan on driving there.....then forget it. |
SneekyFlow
| | #24 posted December 31, 2007 at 5:26am (EST) |
You can get the forms and fax them.... but you can talk to a detective on fraud. If it happend to several people than you would just all report him in the same time period 1-3 days. They will notice all the calls and really do some business about it. Preferrably try to get a hold of the sheriff. |
NoNeedF0RaName
| | #25 posted December 31, 2007 at 6:00am (EST) |
Well, here's an update. The guy called me today and we actually worked out a deal. He said he is going to send me the game or money WITH a delivery confirmation within the next week. I agreed to it, but told him that if it doesn't happen, then I will be forced to take legal action as promised. He really seemed like a nice guy on the phone so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'll update everybody when I hear something. |
bill
  
| #26 posted December 31, 2007 at 7:19am (EST)
edited December 31, 2007 at 7:20am (EST) |
Check out this one: keving8
10 pendings, mostly with other noobs.  |
Anxiouz
| | #27 posted December 31, 2007 at 9:22am (EST) |
NoNeedF0RaName wrote:
> Well, here's an update. The guy called me today and we actually worked
> out a deal. He said he is going to send me the game or money WITH
> a delivery confirmation within the next week. I agreed to it, but
> told him that if it doesn't happen, then I will be forced to take
> legal action as promised. He really seemed like a nice guy on the
> phone so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'll update everybody
> when I hear something.
Wow, I don't think I've ever gotten the other guy on the phone before. Nice. ::applause:: I hope this all works out in the end. |
virtuadept
 
| | #28 posted December 31, 2007 at 10:21am (EST) |
This is just a price you pay to gain the hard experience of trading on the internet. I have been ripped off a few times too, but after a while you get to a point where you know what to look for and it doesn't happen as often. It is unfortunate that this happened but the warnings are in place for a very good reason. The police probably don't do much because stuff like this happens all the time and they really have no way of knowing who is in the right (it's all his word against yours), and they're generally too busy to worry about small-time crooks like this unless they start to rack up huge dollar amounts in scams. Basically, some little craps are just too small time for the cops to worry about so they slip through the cracks.
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PeteKelly
| | #29 posted December 31, 2007 at 10:41am (EST) |
After i got ripped once i started trading with people who had lots of trades knowing i'd have to send first but they would be trustworthy. Now i've developed a better rating and don't have to send first all the time. You're a good trader don't let this one loser ruin it for ya. Just be more selective about who you trade with until you don't have to constantly send first. And then you can request new members to send first to you. |
Admiral
| | #30 posted December 31, 2007 at 12:22pm (EST) |
virtuadept wrote:
> This is just a price you pay to gain the hard experience of trading
> on the internet. I have been ripped off a few times too, but after
> a while you get to a point where you know what to look for and it
> doesn't happen as often. It is unfortunate that this happened but
> the warnings are in place for a very good reason. The police probably
> don't do much because stuff like this happens all the time and
> they really have no way of knowing who is in the right (it's all his
> word against yours), and they're generally too busy to worry about
> small-time crooks like this unless they start to rack up huge dollar
> amounts in scams. Basically, some little craps are just too small
> time for the cops to worry about so they slip through the cracks.
>
>
QFT |
mmm40x
(frozen)
| | #31 posted December 31, 2007 at 1:12pm (EST) |
I still say it's worth it to try talking to the police. A scum bag is a scum bag. Like the kid I had trouble with, their name may pop right up on the police computer. The police may be more willing to give a hand based on what's in their record. For all anyone knows they're stealing crap locally and getting rid of it here. I wouldn't put it past some people.
Everyone has a photographic memory. Some people are just out of film.
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virtuadept
| | #32 posted December 31, 2007 at 1:36pm (EST) |
i agree, i just meant not to be too disappointed if nothing gets done about it. because in all likelihood, nothing will.
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bill
| | #33 posted December 31, 2007 at 2:24pm (EST) |
police  |
SneekyFlow
| | #34 posted December 31, 2007 at 3:47pm (EST) |
If the police department doesn't take you seriously. Then just be a sarcastic butt-hole stating how this must be the greatest way to make money since they won't do anything about it. |
Starwave27
| | #35 posted December 31, 2007 at 3:55pm (EST) |
It doesn't hurt to try and file a report even if the police (local and in the other trader's area) may not do anything. At least it will be on record and if more reports are filed against the same individual, then there is a bigger chance the police/detective will actually look into it. |
MightySlacker
| | #36 posted December 31, 2007 at 5:42pm (EST) |
bill wrote:
> Check out this one: keving8
>
> 10 pendings, mostly with other noobs.
Oy vey
Dave
2004-07-22 17:30:17 Morph Mr. Funny man, get ready to have ur life get funnier
HAS HE LEARNED ANYTHING IN A YEAR?
7-Sep-2005 11:04pm Morph keep it up mighty i will have you nailed for harassment
HELL NO! |
Y2k
| | #37 posted January 1, 2008 at 10:21am (EST) |
bill wrote:
> Check out this one: keving8
>
> 10 pendings, mostly with other noobs.
Interesting that none of them have anything else going on at all...........and mostly gmail accounts. Also, this account, http://gametz.com/user/hingeco.html is a banned user from tradegamesnow who scammed several people.
Y2k's Graf-X Shoppe
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PeteKelly
| | #38 posted January 1, 2008 at 10:57am (EST) |
Could be one person. Maybe intending to make a bunch of fake trades to build up rep? Eh, who knows. |
willyum
| | #39 posted January 1, 2008 at 11:56am (EST) |
There's some good info in this topic. |
mmm40x
(frozen)
| #40 posted January 1, 2008 at 12:05pm (EST)
edited January 1, 2008 at 1:05pm (EST) |
benstylus wrote:
> Secondly, it IS possible to file a small claims lawsuit
> against someone - but the cost and time doing it would
> probably be far more effort than it's worth -
>
>
Call Judge Judy. That way he gets his money or game back, the dude is exposed on national TV for the thief he is, he can slip in a plug for GameTZ and the show foots the bill. Everybody wins.
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