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Johnny_Sack
  
| | #1 posted April 9, 2008 at 4:58pm (EDT) |
I believe these two users are the same people. Can you check Bill? |
MightySlacker
 
 
| | #2 posted April 9, 2008 at 7:53pm (EDT) |
We have a winner!
Dave
2004-07-22 17:30:17 Morph Mr. Funny man, get ready to have ur life get funnier
HAS HE LEARNED ANYTHING IN A YEAR?
7-Sep-2005 11:04pm Morph keep it up mighty i will have you nailed for harassment
HELL NO! |
invisibleink
| | #3 posted April 10, 2008 at 12:25am (EDT) |
dumb noobs
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thunderdonkey
 
| | #4 posted April 10, 2008 at 12:28am (EDT) |
kidbu916 has 2 trades pending for the same item (world of warcraft)
wizkid has a trade pending with me for (world of warcraft)
guess we'll see what happens...  |
bill
  
| | #5 posted April 10, 2008 at 7:17am (EDT) |
maybe, just buddies in real life? What makes you think same person?
IP matches, addresses are different number, same street... |
bill
| | #6 posted April 10, 2008 at 7:59am (EDT) |
actually, it's same street address, different apartment number... same passwords too
I'm just wondering about motive... why bother with 2 accounts, 2 identities?
no trades being made between them... |
thunderdonkey
| | #7 posted April 10, 2008 at 9:55am (EDT) |
kidbu has 7 cancelled trades and one completed. maybe he was afraid nobody would trade with him anymore so he created a new account (or got a buddy to do it).
Very curious why, between the two of them, they have 3 trades pending for the same item? |
bill
| | #8 posted April 10, 2008 at 10:32am (EDT) |
Ah, yes, canceled trades may be a motive... though, you'd expect that account to get abandoned.
The same item being traded is suspicious, but it could just be that they ran into a source for a lot of them ("fell off a truck?")...
As usual, I guess we'll have to see how it goes. |
thunderdonkey
| #9 posted April 10, 2008 at 7:50pm (EDT)
edited April 10, 2008 at 7:50pm (EDT) |
No, they're receiving the item in the trade, not sending it!
I think all three trades have them sending money for World of Warcraft... |
bill
| | #10 posted April 11, 2008 at 7:10am (EDT) |
oh... that's odd |
thunderdonkey
| #11 posted April 11, 2008 at 9:48am (EDT)
edited April 11, 2008 at 9:49am (EDT) |
Yeah, no doubt. Wizkid says he's sent a money order to me for WOW, so we'll see how that goes.
As for Kidbu, I don't know why he'd initiate 2 trades with 2 different people for the exact same item? |
therainstormlord
| | #12 posted April 11, 2008 at 9:55am (EDT) |
Myabe he intends to play it more than once : ' P
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Noltillian
| #13 posted April 11, 2008 at 10:26am (EDT)
edited April 11, 2008 at 10:27am (EDT) |
I'm just curious. If 3 roommates with 3 different computers all wanted to play WoW at the same time, together, would they each have to have a different copy of the game or could they use the same one?
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therainstormlord
| | #14 posted April 11, 2008 at 10:52am (EDT) |
They'd need 3 different accout activation keys -- the software itself is nothing.
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bill
| | #15 posted April 11, 2008 at 10:57am (EDT) |
But, that would explain it... 2 friends getting WoW software (including activation keys) for themselves and another friend. All wanting to play WoW together. |
DeputySchrute
 
| | #16 posted April 11, 2008 at 10:58am (EDT) |
bill wrote:
> But, that would explain it... 2 friends getting WoW software (including
> activation keys) for themselves and another friend. All wanting to
> play WoW together.
LOL. This thought totally makes me think of the South Park episode
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therainstormlord
| | #17 posted April 11, 2008 at 11:15am (EDT) |
DeputySchrute wrote:
> bill wrote:
>> But, that would explain it... 2 friends getting WoW software
> (including
>> activation keys) for themselves and another friend.
> All wanting to
>> play WoW together.
>
> LOL. This thought totally makes me think of the South Park
> episode
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>
Clearly you have no friends to game with if South Park came to mind first ( ' ;
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bill
| | #18 posted April 11, 2008 at 11:26am (EDT) |
now I have the image of Cartman taking a crap while playing WoW in my head |
thunderdonkey
| #19 posted April 11, 2008 at 7:30pm (EDT)
edited April 11, 2008 at 7:30pm (EDT) |
It would explain it except for the fact that they claim to not even know each other.... the whole thing reeks of suspiciousness (is that even a word?? lol)
thunderdonkey
Trevor Sparreboom
#13 posted April 8, 2008 at 11:56pm (MDT) Score: 0 quoted reply edit delete moderate | (quoted) PM
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are you guys acquaintences though?
WizKid_3D
Isiah Brown
#14 posted April 9, 2008 at 12:42am (MDT)
edited April 9, 2008 at 12:43am (MDT) Score: 0 quoted reply moderate | (quoted) PM
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no, there is no way i would even be friends with someone that likes to scam people. it doesn't matter though because karma will always get you in the end anyway.
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Noltillian
| | #20 posted April 11, 2008 at 8:25pm (EDT) |
Busted!
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bill
| | #21 posted April 12, 2008 at 6:11am (EDT) |
why is he saying "that likes to scam people"? what topic is that? |
bill
| | #22 posted April 12, 2008 at 6:16am (EDT) |
Ah, I see... found it. I see you guys are harassing the crap out of the poor kid.
So, yeah, it looks like Kidbu916 has lots of canceled trades. He posts about trading WoW, and DeputySchrute responds saying he'll probably cancel. So, this motivates him to create WizKid_3D so that he doesn't have the bad canceled trades reputation. He denies knowledge of the other account. But, you're all onto him and just pound him.
So, what now? Suspend? What about the pendings? |
bill
| | #23 posted April 12, 2008 at 6:25am (EDT) |
well, I suspended him... *shrug*
It seems like this is likely just a young kid who isn't being very responsible about how he trades. Not the worst thing in the world. But, because he got harassed over the first account's canceled trades, he got motivated to avoid the shame of his mistakes and created another account.
MightySlacker... this is like what I was talking about before (you called it "forbidden fruit theory"). Sometimes our efforts to stop bad behavior, motivate worse behavior. And, he's now learned a few things. I noticed you called him out on the address thing. Now, I regret mentioning that. So, the next time he comes back, we'll likely have less ways to identify him.
I think a better strategy is to try to get these people (kids) back on track somehow. Teach them how to make good trades and be more responsible. I know, maybe he doesn't deserve it, but in the long run everyone is better off. The forum gestapo thing is fun and people seem to enjoy it, but I think it can easily make things worse. |
thunderdonkey
| | #24 posted April 12, 2008 at 9:53am (EDT) |
A noble idea, but do you really think that works? Trying to teach them I mean? Especially through the forums?
I know that this kids offense was realtively minor. 7 cancelled trades is extremely annoying, but not inherently harmful to anyone.
But do you honestly believe that if someone was to PM him and explain the rules of trading and what-not that he'd actually see the error of his ways and become more responsible?
When someone (especially a kid) can hide behind the relative anonymity of an internet forum, it's pretty hard to get him to do anything by using the same methods you would in person.
I think in a situation like this, it's much more effective to let him know that we're onto him, he can't fool us, and no matter what crap he pulls, we won't fall for it.
Let his parents do the parenting...
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MightySlacker
| | #25 posted April 12, 2008 at 8:28pm (EDT) |
bill wrote:
> well, I suspended him... *shrug*
>
> It seems like this is likely just a young kid who isn't being very
> responsible about how he trades. Not the worst thing in the world.
> But, because he got harassed over the first account's canceled trades,
> he got motivated to avoid the shame of his mistakes and created another
> account.
>
> MightySlacker... this is like what I was talking about before (you
> called it "forbidden fruit theory"). Sometimes our efforts to stop
> bad behavior, motivate worse behavior. And, he's now learned a few
> things. I noticed you called him out on the address thing. Now,
> I regret mentioning that. So, the next time he comes back, we'll
> likely have less ways to identify him.
>
> I think a better strategy is to try to get these people (kids) back
> on track somehow. Teach them how to make good trades and be more
> responsible. I know, maybe he doesn't deserve it, but in the long
> run everyone is better off. The forum gestapo thing is fun and people
> seem to enjoy it, but I think it can easily make things worse.
I was reading I think the incentive thread, and found myself agreeing that we focus on the negatives too much sometimes around here. I would think this would be an instance that applied, and I tried to look at it from your point of view.
But then I took a look at his cancels.
I do understand cancels from new users for the most part. I do think there should be some leeway with new users and cancels - it's only natural in some cases to have buyers remorse, and also I understand when people make trades and then get educated on the proper values of items (which is the fault of established users preying on nublets).
The first problem was the destroyed ipod cancel. I remember the explanation being that his moms car was rear ended and all the ipods in the trunk were smashed to pieces. I'd put up anything on my available list that says thats a lie. But being positive, I remember that young people, who for some reason can't back up what they say and panic, and a story results.
The bigger issue is the trade with Rawkus. There is no fudging way that money got sent and returned to him. Lying of that nature cannot be tolerated. It wasnt just the cancel though, he actually marked it in the system as sent - that shows the intent of a person that I don't want on this site, and I certainly don;t want to waste the effort of trying to rehab him. Things like that need to be as close to zero tolerance as possible.
Dave
2004-07-22 17:30:17 Morph Mr. Funny man, get ready to have ur life get funnier
HAS HE LEARNED ANYTHING IN A YEAR?
7-Sep-2005 11:04pm Morph keep it up mighty i will have you nailed for harassment
HELL NO! |
thunderdonkey
| #26 posted April 12, 2008 at 10:25pm (EDT)
edited April 12, 2008 at 10:26pm (EDT) |
100% agree with Dave.
As a new user myself, I completely understand and appreciate the importance of buliding trust flawlessly and quickly on a site like this.
This kid starts a Gametz account and in very short order, agrees to 8 trades.
He then cancels 7 of the 8 trades, using very blatently obvious LIES as "reasons".
Once called out on this, he creates a fake identity.
Using this fake identity, he begins to attempt to generate more trades.
He's very quickly called out on his fake identity, and begins to lie some more to attempt to cover it up.
He continues to lie, insisting that not only are WhizKid and Kidbu, different people, but that they don't even know each other!
At no point does he apologize for his past lies (or if you wish..."cancels").
He is trying to use the relative anonymity of internet forums as an easy way to be dishonest.
Even if he hasn't officially ripped anyone off, I can see that given the opportunity, he probably would.
I can't speak for everyone, but I for one don't want someone like that polluting this community. A community that in all fairness can only successfully function on the basis of honesty amongst all users. |
bill
| | #27 posted April 13, 2008 at 5:41pm (EDT) |
I do see your point and don't disagree with you exact. Those are bogus lies... But, also, they are mostly harmless. Really, the problem is that he lied for no real reason. He's afraid to tell the truth or something. But, he's young and doesn't really understand that, I guess. I think if we told him, "JUST TELL THE TRUTH", it may go a long way. Writing someone off for a series of fibs that didn't actually cause any real damage seem like an overreaction.
Though, I also agree that it's not really our job to be the kids parents and teach him how to be a reasonable human. Still, I have seen people change and change quickly, especially young people. Once they see there's a right way to do something, they can get out of a bad cycle (like lying). |
thunderdonkey
| | #28 posted April 13, 2008 at 7:28pm (EDT) |
You're one optimistic fellow there Bill
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bill
| | #29 posted April 14, 2008 at 7:13am (EDT) |
It's not so much optimism as wanting to find a better way. Banning isn't always effective. If banning was 100% effective (or even 80%), I would be more likely to just go along with that as a solution. But, I've seen too many banned people come back. |
bill
| | #30 posted April 14, 2008 at 7:38am (EDT) |
Well, Kidbu916 replied to the suspension notice asking for another chance. So, I gave it to him. I told him to stop lying and that he can resolve the Canceled Trades if he works something out with the people file filed them (they can delete them).
I told him I'd ban him for good if he got in any more trouble. So, let me know if you see more bad behavior from him.
I merged WizKid_3D into Kidbu916. |
thunderdonkey
| | #31 posted April 14, 2008 at 9:50am (EDT) |
Did he admit to being one person with two user id's?
Because I had a pending trade with whizkid, and I'd want to make sure I was still dealing with the same person.
I'll be interested to see if that $15 money order ever actually gets here though..... |
invisibleink
| | #32 posted April 14, 2008 at 10:01am (EDT) |
new users just love trading with new users.
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Grenadier
| #33 posted April 14, 2008 at 11:04am (EDT)
edited April 14, 2008 at 11:04am (EDT) |
Thunder, maybe you can explain this for us. Why did you decide to trade with whizkid, even though the site warns you against trading with other  users?
Click here to join Goozex and get a free game! |
bill
| | #34 posted April 14, 2008 at 1:28pm (EDT) |
I didn't admit that specifically, but that is what we accused him of and he said: "I promise to never break the rules again as it has caused me to be hated by almost everyone and become someone I'm actually not. So if reinstated I will follow the rules and never break them again." |
thunderdonkey
| | #35 posted April 14, 2008 at 8:47pm (EDT) |
Grenadier wrote:
> Thunder, maybe you can explain this for us. Why did you decide to
> trade with whizkid, even though the site warns you against trading
> with other users?
>
>
I basically told him to put up or shut up. I said he could buy WOW off of me for $15 and as soon as I received his money order, I would ship his game and offer a public apology in the forums. (Never believing he'd actually send the money.) He'd have to send first though.
I think the trades I've already completed, along with the many pending trades I have where the other party has already received my end, speaks volumes.
Not to mention my 100% ebay feedback, which I know doesn't hold a lot of weight around here, but it at least paints a picture of the type of guy I am to deal with. (Visit my bio page for a link...)
He's marked that he's sent the payment...so we'll see what happens. I'll of course honor my end if it actually gets here, but something in my gut says I may never see it...
But here's hoping.
In retrospect, yeah I probably shouldn't have agreed to a trade with him, but as stated before, I didn't think he'd actually accept. Heck I'm still waiting to see if he just outright cancels the trade!
And I do respect that warning (not to trade with other new users), as all of my pending are with more established users with at least a  . |
thunderdonkey
| | #36 posted April 14, 2008 at 8:48pm (EDT) |
bill wrote:
> I didn't admit that specifically, but that is what we accused him
> of and he said: "I promise to never break the rules again as it has
> caused me to be hated by almost everyone and become someone I'm actually
> not. So if reinstated I will follow the rules and never break them
> again."
So pretty much an admittal.... good to hear he's expressing regret and apologizing. |
Grenadier
| | #37 posted April 14, 2008 at 10:11pm (EDT) |
Thanks, Thunder. This has been an ongoing mystery for the regulars here. A lot of people who get scammed are new users trading with other new users, who made the trades in spite of the warning.
Click here to join Goozex and get a free game! |
thunderdonkey
| #38 posted April 25, 2008 at 10:58pm (EDT)
edited April 25, 2008 at 10:59pm (EDT) |
bill wrote:
> Well, Kidbu916 replied to the suspension notice asking for another
> chance. So, I gave it to him. I told him to stop lying and that he
> can resolve the Canceled Trades if he works something out with the
> people file filed them (they can delete them).
>
> I told him I'd ban him for good if he got in any more trouble. So,
> let me know if you see more bad behavior from him.
>
> I merged WizKid_3D into Kidbu916.
Well, still no money order from him... he claims he sent on the 9th. Typically letter mail from the USA to Canada (we're both in the west), takes about 3-5 business days.
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bill
| | #39 posted April 26, 2008 at 7:28am (EDT) |
yeah, something ain't right |
BoB
 
| | #40 posted April 26, 2008 at 9:30am (EDT) |
i want to scam people without all these damm rules holding me down,cant you just let me be me?and my 15 other accounts can be themselves?its so hard to get along here sometimes.
Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogy said up jump the boogy |
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