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mmm40x
 
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| #1 posted August 25, 2008 at 1:23pm (EST)
edited September 10, 2008 at 8:04am (EST) |
I think this has come up before but could we have a "Currently Not Trading" option added to the pull down menu? Also, are the commas necessary at the end of each text box? It's petty, I know, but if you look at my page you'll see why they bother me.
| benstylus
  
| | #2 posted August 25, 2008 at 5:32pm (EST) |
that'd be pretty neat.
a "not trading" option that doesn't freeze your account or anything so you can still post in the forums, but takes you out of the match system, prevents people from sending you offers and prevents you from sending out offers.
I too would like this.
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| | #3 posted August 25, 2008 at 8:32pm (EST) |
Yeah that would be helpful
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| | #4 posted August 26, 2008 at 3:49am (EST) |
me also please try to get something gets spendy doing trades sometimes | DirtyMarco
| | #5 posted August 26, 2008 at 5:21am (EST) |
So it will it like auto decline offers or will it just freeze the trading part of your account? | Qpalzm
 
| | #6 posted August 26, 2008 at 8:42am (EST) |
This feature would've been helpful to me. I recently moved and placed most of my belongings into storage. In order to stop receiving offers, (despite stating I wasn't trading on my bio) I had to delete my entire available list.
A question remains though, if someone selects "not currently trading" would it remove their items from the search result.
| bill
  
 
| | #7 posted August 26, 2008 at 9:46am (EST) |
Yeah, this "not currently trading" thing has come up before as well...
One suggestion that came up before was to move all your available items to your collection. I know this isn't the best solution, but it could help.
I'm really not sure how I'd implement this... It goes against assumption that most of the code on the site make. But, it's probably doable. I can see that there's interest in having something to help here.
So, what would it do?
o Pull your wanted/available lists from searches/matches.
o Potentially, hide them entirely (similar to how you can hide your collection on your user page).
o If someone tries to send you an offer, it would block them.
Anything else? | therainstormlord
| | #8 posted August 26, 2008 at 10:28am (EST) |
Eh, is it that big of a deal to decline an offer?
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| | #9 posted August 26, 2008 at 10:35am (EST) |
That's what I (have to) do. | benstylus
| | #10 posted August 26, 2008 at 10:55am (EST) |
not to you, but it might be a pain to the other people who send you offers...
anyway, bill, as for how to implement it, what about looking at what you do when you freeze an account and do something similar (minus the no access to the forums part)?
Riding the rainbows of manliness | bill
| #11 posted August 26, 2008 at 11:08am (EST)
edited August 26, 2008 at 11:11am (EST) |
Freezing isn't really applicable. Freezing stops everything. It's like a sledgehammer. It's similar to being banned/suspended. Accounts have a status and "frozen" is one of them (along with active, abandoned, pirate, abuse, bad trader, etc.). The status is considered everywhere, but it causes the account not to be able to use the site at all (blocks them at the highest level, sign-on).
It's not really about access so much as stopping trading. I assume someone who is not trading would still like to be able to access all of the site, if they wanted (searching, user pages, account settings, filters, PMs, etc.).
There is an active/inactive flag on listings that I may be able to use. I use it a little for collection items. Things in your collection are flagged inactive. This keeps them out of searches/matches. But, there are some areas of the site that make broad assumptions about wanted/available items always being active (some will even correct them to be active if they find the account is active but the wanted/available listings aren't).
kilter recently was asking for a way to list wanted items that he didn't want to trade. So, maybe this is related to that.
The thing that would worry me about all this is that implementing something here could cause problems with the core trading system. We'll likely get confusion from people who don't realize their items are inactive or that their account is set to "Currently Not Trading". We'd be making the system more complicated and complication comes at a cost, especially for new users. Or, there could just be bugs that that cause bad things to happen without anyone realizing it. And, since trading is what the site is about; implementing this feature do more harm than good. | mmm40x
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| | #12 posted August 26, 2008 at 12:52pm (EST) |
therainstormlord wrote:
> Eh, is it that big of a deal to decline
> an offer?
>
>
The issue is, I am very busy caring for 4 kids, 5 dogs, 2 cats, working, and packing up a house. An offer could sit there a very long time which is rude to the other trader and then on top of that, I am not open to trading to begin with. That leaves a bad taste in most traders mouths. Also,this raises my offer response time. I don't mind deleting my available list (it blows) but my wanted list is huge. I really, really don't want to have to do that. Finally, in the past I have received many offers for things not on my lists. Something I said in a post or a glace at my bio or my collection lead someone to believe they had an item I may want. On at least 3 occasions the other trader has been correct.
I really think this would be good. bill, couldn't you just add "Currently Not Trading" to the pull down menu and then add an option to "Hide" on our available & wanted lists? You already have given us the option to hide our collection. | mmm40x
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| | #13 posted August 26, 2008 at 12:55pm (EST) |
Sorry, I repeated some of your post bill. We started typing around the same but I dozed off. lol | therainstormlord
| #14 posted August 26, 2008 at 1:13pm (EST)
edited August 26, 2008 at 2:40pm (EST) |
benstylus wrote:
> not to you, but it might be a pain to the other people who
> send you offers...
>
Eh, it's only my opinion but this culture of "trade offer entitlement" seems a bit out of whack. People seem to feel quite put out when a trade offer is not responded to immediately or if it is declined without a response or, worse, get a decline response that is not good enough for them. Then there's the people who complain about poor trade offers...
How many people in the real world put their lives on hold because they sent a resume in response to a job posting? If you're smart, you don't -- you simply send a resume out to the next job posting until you get a "match". The job might be filled, a decision to eliminate the job might come up, applications are still being collected. How often do we see a recruiter complain that this line cook decided to appy for VP position or that this accounts payable person wants 500,000 more a year than the job should pay?
I'm all for courtesy and niceties but it seems that people are getting bent over the little things. And considering the investment in changes to the system as well as subverting the ultimate purpose of the site...it seems a bit off. It may be better to just ask bill to archive your trade lists to a temporary table or integrate Koster's export tool more fully into the system so that when people opt to leave, they can dump their lists and then send them back to Bill for easy import.
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| | #15 posted August 26, 2008 at 3:03pm (EST) |
bill wrote:
> Yeah, this "not currently trading" thing has come up before as well...
>
>
> One suggestion that came up before was to move all your available
> items to your collection. I know this isn't the best solution, but
> it could help.
>
> I'm really not sure how I'd implement this... It goes against assumption
> that most of the code on the site make. But, it's probably doable.
> I can see that there's interest in having something to help here.
>
> So, what would it do?
>
> o Pull your wanted/available lists from searches/matches.
> o Potentially, hide them entirely (similar to how you can hide your
> collection on your user page).
> o If someone tries to send you an offer, it would block them.
>
> Anything else?
I think hiding your available list like we have hiding collection, might be the best thing.
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| | #16 posted August 26, 2008 at 4:45pm (EST) |
therainstormlord wrote:
> benstylus wrote:
>> not to you, but it might be a pain to the other people who
>> send you offers...
>>
>
> Eh, it's only my opinion but this culture of "trade offer entitlement"
> seems a bit out of whack. People seem to feel quite put out when
> a trade offer is not responded to immediately or if it is declined
> without a response or, worse, get a decline response that is not
> good enough for them. Then there's the people who complain about
> poor trade offers...
Well, I don't mind it so much when i get people declining, and I usually set my offers to expire in 3 days so there's no big wait time if someone is too lazy to click a button or two.
However, declining with an "I'm not trading right now" message could be a bit more troublesome...
first off, there's the complaint that if you're not going to trade something, it shouldn't be on your available list
and secondly, it could damage future trading prospects for when you ARE actively trading again. Someone who sent you a trade offer previously might remember you being an inactive trader, and pass on sending an offer, etc.
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| #17 posted August 26, 2008 at 5:57pm (EST)
edited August 26, 2008 at 5:58pm (EST) |
benstylus wrote:
> therainstormlord wrote:
>> benstylus wrote:
> |>> not to you, but it might be a pain to the other people
> who
> |>> send you offers...
> |>>
>>
>> Eh, it's only my opinion but this culture of "trade offer
> entitlement"
>> seems a bit out of whack. People seem to feel quite
> put out when
>> a trade offer is not responded to immediately or if it
> is declined
>> without a response or, worse, get a decline response
> that is not
>> good enough for them. Then there's the people who complain
> about
>> poor trade offers...
>
> Well, I don't mind it so much when i get people declining,
> and I usually set my offers to expire in 3 days so there's
> no big wait time if someone is too lazy to click a button
> or two.
>
> However, declining with an "I'm not trading right now" message
> could be a bit more troublesome...
>
> first off, there's the complaint that if you're not going
> to trade something, it shouldn't be on your available list
>
> and secondly, it could damage future trading prospects for
> when you ARE actively trading again. Someone who sent you
> a trade offer previously might remember you being an inactive
> trader, and pass on sending an offer, etc.
>
But this again goes back to the culture of expectation that's built up when a trade offer is sent out. The statistic that is the timeliness of a response is meant for people to ballpark how soon they may get a response back from someone, it's not a tool for judging if they're a good trader. Judging courtesy and niceties should be reserved for negotiations and transactions when there's an actual interaction between people. A static offer and a decline isn't a much in the way of interaction -- I think anyone who tries to read too much into a declined trade is wasting time--again just my opinion, no deal means you move on to the next offer, so why the grudge? People who make judgements on that little information likely are high maintenance traders to begin with and probably best to be avoided anyway -- again, just my opinion.
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| | #18 posted August 26, 2008 at 8:29pm (EST) |
Wouldn't putting "Not Currently Trading" in colored, bold text on one's bio-page work? Of course this assumes that people read bio-pages, which I guess may not always be the case...
 | DirtyMarco
| | #19 posted August 26, 2008 at 8:47pm (EST) |
Noobs(ppl under 10 trades) and ppl who are in a hurry don't usually read bio pages. | willyum
| | #20 posted August 26, 2008 at 8:52pm (EST) |
Yeah...can't be helped I guess... ¬_¬
| Qpalzm
| | #21 posted August 27, 2008 at 9:10am (EST) |
therainstormlord wrote:
> Eh, is it that big of a deal to decline an offer?
>
In my case, I have to individually decline each offer "Thank you for the trade offer, but as per my bio page all my items are in storage." It gets kind of annoying since I'm not actually trading, so while I will decline the offer, it may take me a little while.
Bill, another option, is to create a "auto decline" option, that simply declines incoming offers as opposed to preventing them out right.
| bill
| | #22 posted August 27, 2008 at 9:48am (EST) |
Yeah, agreed.
Though, declines may piss people off. The person making the offer may feel frustrated that they went through all that trouble to create a good offer, only to have it instantly rejected. Thus, it may be better to stop them before they even start... and, especially, to take available items that really aren't out of searches/matches, so they don't even get teased about it to begin with. | DR_SPOCK
| | #23 posted August 27, 2008 at 12:19pm (EST) |
Don't be lazy. Problem solved.
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| | #24 posted August 27, 2008 at 12:54pm (EST) |
Just keep trading, problem solved. | mmm40x
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| | #25 posted August 27, 2008 at 3:21pm (EST) |
Okay. Come move me. | kzn
 
| | #26 posted August 27, 2008 at 3:22pm (EST) |
that sounds dirty.
 | mmm40x
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| | #27 posted August 27, 2008 at 3:24pm (EST) |
It's definitely sweaty work. | kzn
| | #28 posted August 27, 2008 at 4:05pm (EST) |
With lots of grunting and moaning?
| mmm40x
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| | #29 posted August 27, 2008 at 4:17pm (EST) |
Sometimes. | vDub
 
| | #30 posted August 27, 2008 at 4:24pm (EST) |
I like this idea. I'm constantly freezing my account because I don't wanna trade anymore, but I would like to be able to at least use the forums.
 | masterchief06
| | #31 posted August 28, 2008 at 10:10am (EST) |
AND this would be beneficial to bill because your subtime would keep burning unlike when you freeze your account (Mo money).
I think a hide available list would be great.
My $0.02
Mike
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| | #32 posted August 28, 2008 at 10:32am (EST) |
bill wrote:
> Yeah, this "not currently trading" thing has come up before as well...
> o If someone tries to send you an offer, it would block them.
>
> Anything else?
Maybe when someone clicks "Make Offer" or whatever, it'll bring up a message before they make the trade? Something like "This user is currently disabling offers from being made. If you would like to contact this user," and then a GameTZ PM link to them? That way they don't go through the trouble of making an offer, and if they want to trade, the other user could send them an offer instead?
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| | #33 posted September 5, 2008 at 3:57am (EST) |
therainstormlord wrote:
> benstylus wrote:
>> not to you, but it might be a pain to the other people who
>> send you offers...
>>
>
> Eh, it's only my opinion but this culture of "trade offer entitlement"
> seems a bit out of whack. People seem to feel quite put out when
> a trade offer is not responded to immediately or if it is declined
> without a response or, worse, get a decline response that is not
> good enough for them. Then there's the people who complain about
> poor trade offers...
>
i think it's just different trading styles. i know i occassionally OCD out and spend way too much time figuring out different sets of possible trades. and i try to avoid making multiple offers with/for the same goods, so if i put an offer out it effectively puts my own item on 'hold' for a bit. add into that the standard 'me want now' mentality, and it makes a lot of sense to me that people prefer quick, courtesy offer responses, even if it's ultimately a 'no'.
more on topic, i think a feature like this would be helpful as well - one of my first posts on this forum was a 'i'm about to go on vacation for a week... am i supposed to freeze my account?' post. ultimately, i just put a note in my bio since freezing is overkill. but really, a vacation/not trading type setting would be useful.
| bill
| | #34 posted September 5, 2008 at 3:59am (EST) |
why is freezing overkill? The freeze feature is exactly what you should use when you go on vacaction. | masterchief06
| | #35 posted September 5, 2008 at 9:03am (EST) |
bill wrote:
> why is freezing overkill? The freeze feature is exactly what you
> should use when you go on vacaction.
I totally agree that freezing should be used on vacations, but if I do not want to trade but I still want to utilize the other features of this site like chat or the forums, I can't if my account is frozen. If there was a "Slightly Frosty" account condition where trading would just be suspended and the rest of the features would still be active, then it would be much easier.
Just a thought
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| | #36 posted September 5, 2008 at 9:38am (EST) |
Yeah, I didn't mean to say that I'm not giving serious consideration to the "not currently trading" idea. Clearly, a lot of people would find that useful. It's just a little tricky to implement. | SEspo
| | #37 posted September 5, 2008 at 5:35pm (EST) |
I have a Not Currently Trading in my bio.. it's the only thing I could do right now  | kilter
| | #38 posted September 5, 2008 at 6:20pm (EST) |
bill wrote:
> why is freezing overkill? The freeze feature is exactly what you
> should use when you go on vacaction.
I suppose 'overkill' was too strong of a word, but I didn't want to be locked out of the forums and such. | bill
| | #39 posted September 5, 2008 at 6:51pm (EST) |
Oh, when you said vacation, I thought you meant you'd be away from home and not online... | kilter
| | #40 posted September 5, 2008 at 7:36pm (EST) |
Oh, I was away from home. But I occassionally like to check email and such. Bad habit. | | |
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