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almasy82
 
| #1 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:32pm (EST)
edited July 1, 2009 at 3:38pm (EST) |
So the xbox live code generator is now a reality. It can generate with about 60% accuracy. We are having many users start up accounts and sell these stolen codes. The word needs to be spread to make sure people aren't getting ripped off. The codes that these new users are selling people are going to work the problem is they are stolen codes and could have ramification down the road. There seem to be new users everyday selling these. I fell for it as well. Be careful of buying codes off of people. |
shaun
| | #2 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:55pm (EST) |
Thanks for the heads up man 
I am always looking for cards, whether they are live time or point cards. I hope I havent run across any yet.
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guncrazy90
  
| | #3 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:16am (EST) |
Ouch, I purchased a 4000 point code from someone on here, hope it is not stolen... 
I'd be angry if my gamertag was canned because of this
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Shadowrunner
| | #4 posted July 1, 2009 at 4:35am (EST) |
I read about this yesterday. The website offers both live codes and point codes. I tested a few to see if they worked (entered them but never redeemed them) I'm not sure what would happen on ones end if they did get one. |
bill
  
 
| | #5 posted July 1, 2009 at 7:25am (EST) |
Thanks for posting about this. It's the first I heard of it. ...and, I do recall seeing a new account doing a lot of xbl codes.
So, should we ban new accounts that do this? maybe |
xSaosiNHx
| #6 posted July 1, 2009 at 11:25am (EST)
edited July 1, 2009 at 11:30am (EST) |
I think if someone is selling codes, they should be required to snap some photos of the actual card and the code. So we can verify they are actually in possession of a legal code.
EDIT: I see cflo has already done this in his thread in the classifieds.
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Organization_XIII
(restricted)
| | #7 posted July 1, 2009 at 11:45am (EST) |
You people are pussies! Where do I get one of these codes?
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Outinthedark
| | #8 posted July 1, 2009 at 1:51pm (EST) |
I noticed this on CAG as well...a bunch of new traders selling codes for $30-$35. I bought a 4000 point code off ebay for $28 but that is about as far as I got since the "German" guy was actually Chinese. I'm sure all of these new traders are in the same circle or at least have the same access. Shrike banned a few on CAG and has been cautious about the others just starting up with messages like "Another new trader selling cheap XBL codes...*sigh*" or something to that extent.
While I do not think the redeeming account will get banned...someone at MS has got to have taken notice for the flood of cheap codes on ebay.
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abc12345
(frozen)
| | #9 posted July 1, 2009 at 1:56pm (EST) |
I told you.. I told you.. I told you.
Microsoft is going to have to add five more digits / letters to their algorithm and rework it. Someone who made it obviously had enough used codes to decipher a starting point for a generator.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
bill
| | #10 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:07pm (EST) |
It looks like jollyz and cflo are new and have been selling a ton of xbl codes... I'll PM them and see what they say.
OK, I posted in their topics too.
I see cflo posted a picture... though, it's still possible things are shady. We'll see what they say. |
abc12345
(frozen)
| | #11 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:09pm (EST) |
Nothing says you can't just go and buy a few legit ones and take a picture with them and resell them for equal value just to get people off your back.
I always took a picture of my product and had a set number. Smurf and jollyz come back and their stock never goes down. Jollyz pended with me and instead of ripping the code and giving it to me, he waited an entire day..
time to try the code? Who knows.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
Akira
| #12 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:26pm (EST)
edited July 1, 2009 at 2:26pm (EST) |
Aw man, I just redeemed a code from jollyz, I didn't know there was a generator out there. Hopefully he's legit.
Oh well, even if it ends up being illegal, I don't think my account will get banned for redeeming one code. I hardly ever buy points cards to begin with, but I could see accounts that redeem many of these codes getting banned. |
invisibleink
| | #13 posted July 1, 2009 at 3:58pm (EST) |
i dont see how they could nuke the accounts of the, presumably, hundreds of thousands of people who happened to buy a stolen code. its not the consumers fault
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thenadz
| | #14 posted July 1, 2009 at 4:43pm (EST) |
There is also the possibly that people who normally sell XBL codes are jealous of all the new users that are undercutting them by offering them lower prices, therefore starting an XBL code generator rumor.
Sure, there is of course the possibility that they use XBL code generators, but what if they`re not? Maybe I`m an optimist, but both choices are viable, it could swing either way, just keep in mind that theres just an equal chance of them having xbl code generators as there is of them having legit codes. Dont jump to conclusions until Bill sorts it out. |
bill
| | #15 posted July 1, 2009 at 4:51pm (EST) |
cflo is offering to show pictures of the code card for anyone who buys. That seems to make what he's doing clearly not a generator. I'm still a little concerned about where/how he's getting these codes at such a low price.
It's clear that XBL generators exist (a quick google search seems to confirm that).
I guess it's just something people who buy XBL codes need to be aware of.
So far, both sellers and buyers seem happy. So, I'm not going to take any action.
If things go bad, I can ban the seller's accounts. But, it will probably be way too late. |
guncrazy90
| | #16 posted July 1, 2009 at 5:31pm (EST) |
bill wrote:
> It looks like jollyz and cflo are new and
> have been selling a ton of xbl codes... I'll PM them and see what
> they say.
>
> OK, I posted in their topics too.
>
> I see cflo posted a picture... though, it's still possible things
> are shady. We'll see what they say.
This user also sells a lot of codes: http://gametz.com/user/SmurfALMIGHTY.html
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Outinthedark
| #17 posted July 1, 2009 at 5:57pm (EST)
edited July 1, 2009 at 5:59pm (EST) |
I would still question where clfo's are coming from at that cheap a price.
Activating those cards are not that big of a hassle at a retail location. Scan, scan, and it's activated for use. $25 seems to me they were "purchased" fraudulently. Maybe off a stolen credit card? It is a possibility...a new user bringing a seemingly infinite supply seems suspicious.
*edit*
Also Smurf only deals in cash...I saw him over at CAG and he is absolutely rude as hell so I never finalized a deal with him.
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guncrazy90
| | #18 posted July 1, 2009 at 6:13pm (EST) |
Yeah smurf is a dick
I dealt with Jollyz for my code and he was very nice 
I'm still not sure where he's getting his codes though
When I asked him about it when I purchased the code, he said he gets them from some supplier, whatever that means lol
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abc12345
(frozen)
| | #19 posted July 1, 2009 at 6:23pm (EST) |
Probably works for Walmart. I know when I used to work retail, people behind the game counters used to take Wii Points and stuff, scan them, mark them as a sale and then have a manager void the transaction. It keeps the card activated that way.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
invisibleink
| | #20 posted July 1, 2009 at 6:29pm (EST) |
PengWIN wrote:
> Probably works for Walmart. I know when I used to work retail, people
> behind the game counters used to take Wii Points and stuff, scan them,
> mark them as a sale and then have a manager void the transaction.
> It keeps the card activated that way.
>
the seedy underbelly of walmart is revealed!
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MasterAMP
| | #21 posted July 1, 2009 at 6:41pm (EST) |
Well what about AMAZON.COM you can now BUY THE CODES and amazon gives you the code after you buy it.... |
Shadowrunner
| #22 posted July 1, 2009 at 6:50pm (EST)
edited July 1, 2009 at 6:51pm (EST) |
PengWIN wrote:
> Probably works for Walmart. I know when I used to work retail, people
> behind the game counters used to take Wii Points and stuff, scan them,
> mark them as a sale and then have a manager void the transaction.
> It keeps the card activated that way.
>
You don't need to have Wii Point cards activated.... Also once a transaction is voided it voids the card. |
abc12345
(frozen)
| | #23 posted July 1, 2009 at 7:21pm (EST) |
Shadowrunner wrote:
> PengWIN wrote:
>> Probably works for Walmart. I know when I used to work retail,
> people
>> behind the game counters used to take Wii Points and stuff, scan
> them,
>> mark them as a sale and then have a manager void the transaction.
>> It keeps the card activated that way.
>>
>
> You don't need to have Wii Point cards activated.... Also once a transaction
> is voided it voids the card.
They took Wii points; scanned other things. Sorry for the mix up. Amongst other things, they did XBL membership cards (never points, though, because we never had any) and did the scan / void. And it doesn't revoid it; there are ways around it. A friend of mine (up until about a year ago) had a nifty way of moving them.
2008-2009 STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS |
BioHazardMan
| | #24 posted July 1, 2009 at 8:27pm (EST) |
I hope new people aren't doing the same thing with 48-code freebies just to allow them to claim stuff :p
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Outinthedark
| | #25 posted July 1, 2009 at 8:39pm (EST) |
ampeggs wrote:
> Well what about AMAZON.COM you can now BUY THE CODES and amazon gives
> you the code after you buy it....
Yea but they don't sell their codes for $25...
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JWZZR
| | #26 posted July 1, 2009 at 9:33pm (EST) |
where? |
MasterAMP
| | #27 posted July 1, 2009 at 10:42pm (EST) |
true.... and they prob steal the 12 month cards from the bundles that come with them... If i worked at a wal mart and could open the 60 dollar bundle package that has the 12 month card I would.. But I am stuck at home and college is keeping me too busy... |
flyngmonbob
| | #28 posted July 2, 2009 at 2:09am (EST) |
ampeggs wrote:
> true.... and they prob steal the 12 month cards from the bundles that
> come with them... If i worked at a wal mart and could open the 60
> dollar bundle package that has the 12 month card I would.. But I am
> stuck at home and college is keeping me too busy...
how the fudge did YOU get into college? |
cflo
(abandoned)
| | #29 posted July 2, 2009 at 10:49am (EST) |
Well, I cant speak for the other guys on here selling but when I got this stack (dwindling stack :( ) of cards I knew it was gonna be a one time thing..Plus the seller I bought them from got a few other items ( a pc / 360) besides the cash I gave him. People have to realize that these cards cost pennies for MS to produce, so they could care less if they are stolen or generated. the 50$ they would get in the stores is pure profit. What they are really truly after is getting those people online and using the live service. Thats where they make tons more money. Think of the 360 as the printer and the xbox live as the ink...you pay out your ass in the long run to be able to use your 360. MS are the worlds #1 hustlers, and I look up to them for that |
Shadowrunner
| | #30 posted July 2, 2009 at 11:05am (EST) |
cflo wrote:
> Well, I cant speak for the other guys on here selling but when I got
> this stack (dwindling stack :( ) of cards I knew it was gonna be a
> one time thing..Plus the seller I bought them from got a few other
> items ( a pc / 360) besides the cash I gave him. People have to realize
> that these cards cost pennies for MS to produce, so they could care
> less if they are stolen or generated. the 50$ they would get in the
> stores is pure profit. What they are really truly after is getting
> those people online and using the live service. Thats where they make
> tons more money. Think of the 360 as the printer and the xbox live
> as the ink...you pay out your ass in the long run to be able to use
> your 360. MS are the worlds #1 hustlers, and I look up to them for
> that
Pennies to make yes. But it cost money to run servers and pay company's to develop XLBA games |
John
| | #31 posted July 2, 2009 at 11:09am (EST) |
To suggest that MS does not care if codes are stolen or generated because the actual card that they are printed on only costs pennies to make is simply wrong.
Are you the type that suggest that music artists don't care if anyone pirates their music because the CDs that they music is on only costs pennies to make?
You're walking the borderline of piracy here if you're basically saying that it doesn't matter if what you are selling might not be legit because MS makes enough money from other places and it is all just "pure profit" for them. That is not what you are suggesting here, right?
- John...
Be sure to check out the new WANTED FORUM! |
cflo
(abandoned)
| | #32 posted July 2, 2009 at 11:11am (EST) |
Naw,,,these companies develop games and then pay MS to put them up...They then get a slice of the sales...Thats how it works |
cflo
(abandoned)
| | #33 posted July 2, 2009 at 11:15am (EST) |
John wrote:
> To suggest that MS does not care if codes are stolen or generated
> because the actual card that they are printed on only costs pennies
> to make is simply wrong.
>
> Are you the type that suggest that music artists don't care if anyone
> pirates their music because the CDs that they music is on only costs
> pennies to make?
>
> You're walking the borderline of piracy here if you're basically saying
> that it doesn't matter if what you are selling might not be legit
> because MS makes enough money from other places and it is all just
> "pure profit" for them. That is not what you are suggesting here,
> right?
>
Naw not at all
Im talking about the sale of the cards in general..,,And im totaly against piracy being a producer myself
what im saying is, MSs main focus is gettting as many subscribers into xbox live as possible...the more
people they can get onto the live service...the better.. in a nutshell |
John
| | #34 posted July 2, 2009 at 11:39am (EST) |
Yes and no. Supporting that sort of a network requires a lot of money -- and therefore the income from the sale of Live Codes is significant to them. You seem to have this idea that they don't care if Live codes are generated/stolen -- which just isn't correct. Again, it sounds like a justification of "well, they make enough money anyhow -- they are great 'hustlers', so it doesn't matter if people pirate their Live cards."
- John...
Be sure to check out the new WANTED FORUM! |
John
| | #35 posted July 2, 2009 at 11:41am (EST) |
Also, just to verify, so far, people are just able to generate the codes for access to Live, right? And those are different from the codes for buying stuff in the marketplace, correct? Marketplace codes for purchasing downloads can't be generated that we know of?
- John...
Be sure to check out the new WANTED FORUM! |
Shadowrunner
| | #36 posted July 2, 2009 at 12:24pm (EST) |
John wrote:
> Also, just to verify, so far, people are just able to generate the
> codes for access to Live, right? And those are different from the
> codes for buying stuff in the marketplace, correct? Marketplace codes
> for purchasing downloads can't be generated that we know of?
>
sadly they can with 50% accuracy (tried a site and the code worked, but I never redeemed it) |
John
| | #37 posted July 2, 2009 at 1:13pm (EST) |
Ok, then that really changes the argument above -- because if you can buy downloads with generated codes, then the entire "they just want to bring people to the site" argument is out -- because then it is costing 3rd party content providers too (i.e. Rock Band track downloads, for example).
- John...
Be sure to check out the new WANTED FORUM! |
cflo
(abandoned)
| | #38 posted July 2, 2009 at 1:24pm (EST) |
Hell yea...if they are starting to generate points codes, thats gonna be a HUGE problem for MS....that could really cause problems cause id rather use "points" that give them credit card info or have them debit it from me....This could screw it up for everyone. |
rayzor6
(frozen)
| | #39 posted July 3, 2009 at 10:27am (EST) |
Man...I bought a code too. I hope it's legit. I honestly thought that if the code came from an outside source other than directly buying it from MS...it had to be activated...or else, what is stopping you for just grabbing a handful of cards and useing them.
I guess I don't understand the difference between inputting these codes and trying to input the codes on the cards that are valid, but not activated, so therefore, wouldn't work
Check out my rental forum for silver and gold star traders: http://gametz.com/forum/USER%3A9152 |
xSaosiNHx
| | #40 posted July 3, 2009 at 11:09am (EST) |
rayzor6 wrote:
> Man...I bought a code too. I hope it's legit. I honestly thought
> that if the code came from an outside source other than directly buying
> it from MS...it had to be activated...or else, what is stopping you
> for just grabbing a handful of cards and useing them.
>
> I guess I don't understand the difference between inputting these
> codes and trying to input the codes on the cards that are valid, but
> not activated, so therefore, wouldn't work
>
I think most places have them locked up. And I know places like Best Buy put them in a plastic container thing that needs to be unlocked at the register.
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