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Suikoden
  
 
| | #1 posted June 29, 2009 at 6:22pm (EST) |
Who else is getting it? 
At times,I hate to practice,but I love to play.I know I need to study and I know I need to practice and I know how important it is.That doesn't mean I have to like it. The question I have to ask myself is am I willing to do that?And the answer is yes | Organization_XIII
  
 
| | #2 posted June 29, 2009 at 7:48pm (EST) |
Ha! Yeah right. $50 for another 4 sucky mini-games; no thanks. I'm sure most of us will be too busy playing not-crap to bother with Wii Sports 2.
| Suikoden
| | #3 posted June 29, 2009 at 7:51pm (EST) |
It's 11 or 12 and comes with the motion attachment
http://wiisports2.com/
At times,I hate to practice,but I love to play.I know I need to study and I know I need to practice and I know how important it is.That doesn't mean I have to like it. The question I have to ask myself is am I willing to do that?And the answer is yes | Organization_XIII
| | #4 posted June 29, 2009 at 7:56pm (EST) |
Organization_XIII wrote:
> I'm sure most of us will be too busy playing not-crap to bother with Wii
> Sports 2.
>
>
| gauu
 
| | #5 posted June 29, 2009 at 8:05pm (EST) |
actually im looking forward to this its not a bad price at all for it. | monkbonk
 
| | #6 posted June 29, 2009 at 8:15pm (EST) |
Sounds TITE.
I'm on board
T.A.P.E. FORUM | MajorGimp
| | #7 posted June 29, 2009 at 8:19pm (EST) |
I'll get it but I'm not pacing back-and-forth Cartman-style for it to come out. That is reserved for Modern Warfare 2. 
I'm currently looking for Sonic The Hedgehog comics. If you have any, send me a message.
| Organization_XIII
| | #8 posted June 29, 2009 at 8:27pm (EST) |
The only game I'm "pacing back-and-forth" over is the new Metroid game announced at E3, and that hasn't gotten any date other than sometime in 2010.
| synthetic1
 
| | #9 posted June 29, 2009 at 8:33pm (EST) |
I'll get it just on good faith that it'll entertain me here and there but mostly to score a Wii Motion Plus.
| gauu
| | #10 posted June 29, 2009 at 8:41pm (EST) |
actually my biggest want atm is new super mario bros that looks like itll be a lot of fun if you have a family | Sun
| | #11 posted June 29, 2009 at 9:39pm (EST) |
Complete Nintendo Wii Controller = $80
Wii-Mote = $40
Nunchuck = $20
Wii Motion Pus = $20
Wii Jacket = PRICELESS (I mean FREE)
TOTAL = $80
AWESOMEZ | ENIX
| | #12 posted June 29, 2009 at 9:50pm (EST) |
$250 for a Wii and $80 for a Wii controller w/motion plus is still cheaper than $400-$500 for a PS3 and $60 per controller. | darkslime
| | #13 posted June 29, 2009 at 10:12pm (EST) |
I'm not paying $50 for that POS
 | xSaosiNHx
| | #14 posted June 29, 2009 at 10:22pm (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> $250 for a Wii and $80 for a Wii controller w/motion plus is still
> cheaper than $400-$500 for a PS3 and $60 per controller.
Except its actually possible to have fun with the PS3.
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 | Bubbler28
| | #15 posted June 29, 2009 at 11:42pm (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> $250 for a Wii and $80 for a Wii controller w/motion plus is still
> cheaper than $400-$500 for a PS3 and $60 per controller.
Or 200 for an xbox and a 40 dollar controller. | Sun
| #16 posted June 30, 2009 at 12:55am (EST)
edited June 30, 2009 at 12:57am (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> $250 for a Wii and $80 for a Wii controller w/motion plus is still
> cheaper than $400-$500 for a PS3 and $60 per controller.
Why do I have to keep paying for functionality that should've been there already? Both the Nunchuck and Wii Motion Plus should've been included from the start. | ENIX
| | #17 posted June 30, 2009 at 2:34am (EST) |
Are you going to say the same thing about Natal and the PS3 wand? I mean, after all, that's functionality that should have just been there in the first place, right? | ENIX
| | #18 posted June 30, 2009 at 2:35am (EST) |
And rechargeable batteries...another thing that should have just been included.
Last time I looked, the Wii comes with a free game. | ENIX
| | #19 posted June 30, 2009 at 2:37am (EST) |
xSaosiNHx wrote:
> ENIX wrote:
>> $250 for a Wii and $80 for a Wii controller w/motion plus is still
>> cheaper than $400-$500 for a PS3 and $60 per controller.
>
> Except its actually possible to have fun with the PS3.
>
Since when? I've had mine for a week, and have 8 of the exclusive games, yet only 1 of them has provided any decent entertainment without being a cut-scene-fest, the other 6 are crap. I'll let you figure out which two I'm referring to. | gauu
| | #20 posted June 30, 2009 at 2:56am (EST) |
WE CHEER 2 ENIX I WANT VIDEOS OF POM POM DANCING!!!!!!!! | colon
| | #21 posted June 30, 2009 at 5:46am (EST) |
Organization_XIII wrote:
> Ha! Yeah right. $50 for another 4 sucky mini-games; no thanks. I'm sure most of us will be too busy playing not-crap to bother with Wii Sports 2.
But you had a raging boner over the release of Ninja Blade! | Organization_XIII
| | #22 posted June 30, 2009 at 8:57am (EST) |
colon wrote:
> Organization_XIII wrote:
>> Ha! Yeah right. $50 for another 4 sucky mini-games; no thanks.
> I'm sure most of us will be too busy playing not-crap to bother with
> Wii Sports 2.
>
> But you had a raging boner over the release of Ninja Blade!
Yeah, but that game didn't look like crap from the start.
| colon
| | #23 posted June 30, 2009 at 9:05am (EST) |
Wasn't it just like one big QTE mini-game? | Organization_XIII
| | #24 posted June 30, 2009 at 9:09am (EST) |
pretty much. yeah
But it did QTEs right. They felt natural, like God of War, not crow-barred in like most games.
| jaric
 
| | #25 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:08am (EST) |
Sun wrote:
> ENIX wrote:
>> $250 for a Wii and $80 for a Wii controller w/motion plus is still
>> cheaper than $400-$500 for a PS3 and $60 per controller.
>
> Why do I have to keep paying for functionality that should've been
> there already? Both the Nunchuck and Wii Motion Plus should've been
> included from the start.
I agree. The fact that most Wii owners are excited about the Wii Motion Plus and not angry is almost surprising. But the Wii is doing so poorly in the software department, that if the Wii Motion Plus will help developers make better games, I'll look at it as a good thing. But, I don't know - it's hard to be optimistic about the Wii considering where it is right now, which is a shame 
 | Organization_XIII
| | #26 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:10am (EST) |
jaric wrote:
> Sun wrote:
>> ENIX wrote:
> |>> $250 for a Wii and $80 for a Wii controller w/motion plus is still
> |>> cheaper than $400-$500 for a PS3 and $60 per controller.
>>
>> Why do I have to keep paying for functionality that should've been
>> there already? Both the Nunchuck and Wii Motion Plus should've
> been
>> included from the start.
>
> I agree. The fact that most Wii owners are excited about the Wii
> Motion Plus and not angry is almost surprising. But the Wii is doing
> so poorly in the software department, that if the Wii Motion Plus
> will help developers make better games, I'll look at it as a good
> thing. But, I don't know - it's hard to be optimistic about the Wii
> considering where it is right now, which is a shame
>
>
Amen my brudda!
| MajorGimp
| | #27 posted June 30, 2009 at 8:38pm (EST) |
jaric wrote:
> But, I don't know - it's hard to be optimistic about the Wii considering where it is right now, which is a shame
Well the system is still making lots of money. So we will continue to see loads of shovelware for it. While the Wii is not my favorite console, what is happening with it really is no different from what happened with the PS2.
I'm currently looking for Sonic The Hedgehog comics. If you have any, send me a message.
| Sun
| | #28 posted June 30, 2009 at 9:43pm (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> Are you going to say the same thing about Natal and the PS3 wand?
> I mean, after all, that's functionality that should have just been
> there in the first place, right?
Actually no, I didn't expect Natal and the PS3 wand to be there already.
Nunchuck and Wii-Motion? Yes, those are things that should be standard. | Sun
| | #29 posted June 30, 2009 at 9:50pm (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> And rechargeable batteries...another thing that should have just been
> included.
SixAxis, DualShock, 360 controllers all have rechargable batteries, so why not Wii-Motes? Probably because that would be an additional $20. | ENIX
| | #30 posted June 30, 2009 at 10:16pm (EST) |
Really? That's funny because I don't see why a nunchuck and Motion Plus should be standard when there are many games (if not most) out there that don't even require either of those add-ons. They're optional is most cases. It's up to you if you want to spend $40 on a Wiimote only, or if you want to pay the extra for the Nunchuck, or the Classic, or even the Motion Plus.
The PS3 has motion control that is never used, so why should we be expected to buy a $XX wand to play crap we should be able to play with the SIXAXIS?
As for batteries, the only system whose controller has default recharging is the PS3. You have to pay (just like you have to pay if you want the expanded Wii controls) for a rechargeable battery pack for the 360, and you can easily use standard rechargeable AA batteries for $5 for the Wii as opposed to a $20-$40 battery pack. | Sun
| #31 posted July 1, 2009 at 1:37am (EST)
edited July 1, 2009 at 1:50am (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> Really? That's funny because I don't see why a nunchuck and Motion
> Plus should be standard when there are many games (if not most) out
> there that don't even require either of those add-ons. They're optional
> is most cases. It's up to you if you want to spend $40 on a Wiimote
> only, or if you want to pay the extra for the Nunchuck, or the Classic,
> or even the Motion Plus.
Shovelware doesn't count, which comprises like 80% of the Wii's library, if not more. That fact you can't play most of the major titles without the additional accessories is crap (Nunchuck for No More Heroes, The Conduit, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess) and (MotionPlus for Wii Sports Resort, Legend of Zelda Wii, so far). For PS3, there are only a few games that need additional accessories (Eye of Judgment, Time Crisis 4).
> The PS3 has motion control that is never used, so why should we be
> expected to buy a $XX wand to play crap we should be able to play
> with the SIXAXIS?
Nobody is telling you to buy the wand. It isn't even out yet and thus not relevant.
> As for batteries, the only system whose controller has default recharging
> is the PS3. You have to pay (just like you have to pay if you
> want the expanded Wii controls) for a rechargeable battery pack for
> the 360, and you can easily use standard rechargeable AA batteries
> for $5 for the Wii as opposed to a $20-$40 battery pack.
I stand corrected on 360 controllers (I don't own a 360, just Wii and PS3). That's Microsoft's stupid choice.
Essentially, like everyone says, it's prints money and Nintendo is taking full advantage of it, and it's lame. Next thing you know is that they're gonna require the Nunchuck, Motion Plus, and the Balance Board to play all major titles (not really, but that's the path that Nintendo is heading towards).
I'm not bashing the Wii (I own one and play it), but the fact that as a consumer, to keep playing the new games you have to keep buying more accessories is pure bullcrap. Dance pads, light guns, music instruments isn't a huge deal, as that are a small and select number of games. But the number of quality games that need the Nunchuck is evidence enough it should've been standard. If Nintendo decided not to produce the Nunchuck at all, I would have no problems. Of course, we would have a bunch of crappy games because you can only do so much with just the Wii-Mote, which Nintendo totally knows (why else would they have to keep producing add-ons?) | ENIX
| #32 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:08am (EST)
edited July 1, 2009 at 2:10am (EST) |
You just want to be right about having reasons to hate on the Wii, dude. If the Wii was so fudging wrong, then why the hell does everyone want to copy that crap so bad?
Seriously, are you going to try to tell me that there isn't going to be just as much shovelware, and poorly used motion control games for the other two systems once their wagglers come along? BTW, the 360 already has a huge library of crap...and it's called Community Games. Just because it's hiding on a server and not printed on discs doesn't make it not crap.
And I don't see how you can judge one system by it's crapty games while completely brushing off it's insanely great games by saying "oh gee, you need the [$20] nunchuck for those", then follow that up by praising another system by claiming that it only has a few games that require you to have a proprietary controller. Those games being ones that require you to pay ~$90 for each game, while you only need to buy 1 or 2 nunchucks...ever, for a total of $40 for accessories that can be used for 90% of the games on the system.
Correct me if I'm mistaken here, but a 360 controller w/o rechargeable battery is $50, a Wii controller w/nunchuck is $60, and a SIXAXIS w/o rumble being $40 and DS3 being $60. So, right there, you have absolutely no arguement...They're equal. So, let's move on to the current 1:1 motion controller battle...
The motion pluses are $40 each (you might as well minus one because you know you're getting Sports Resort) and you might need MAYBE 2 of these, but let's say 3...there's $120. How much do you think the Natal will cost? Everyone's guess is ~$100. I mean, if 360 software is $60, you gotta assume the hardware is going to be more. And the Ps3 wand? Well, assuming the DS3 is already $60, I'm guessing the wand is going to be at least $50 each.
So, get off your high "oh the Wii controller is $80 ZOMG!" high horse, because unless you really want to penny pinch, the average costs will be the same across all three systems for their hardware. But if you REALLY want to penny pinch, start with the retail prices of the consoles, add that to the cost of owning 4 controllers (including their full motion control B.S.) and see what the price differences are...and don't even get me started on software price differences. | Sun
| | #33 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:29am (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> You just want to be right about having reasons to hate on the Wii,
> dude. If the Wii was so fudging wrong, then why the hell does everyone
> want to copy that crap so bad?
> Seriously, are you going to try to tell me that there isn't going
> to be just as much shovelware, and poorly used motion control games
> for the other two systems once their wagglers come along? BTW, the
> 360 already has a huge library of crap...and it's called Community
> Games. Just because it's hiding on a server and not printed on discs
> doesn't make it not crap.
I never said I was right. I don't even care. I'm just providing points to support my argument. So I don't know why you're attacking me with your HIGH and MIGHTY attitude. And I can't predict the future, so I don't know if there will be as much shovelware for 360 and PS3 as there is for Wii (prob not for PS3 since it's hard to develop for). As for community games, parents who don't know better aren't going to buy it if it's not on a retail shelf.
> And I don't see how you can judge one system by it's crapty games
> while completely brushing off it's insanely great games by saying
> "oh gee, you need the [$20] nunchuck for those", then follow that
> up by praising another system by claiming that it only has a few games
> that require you to have a proprietary controller. Those games being
> ones that require you to pay ~$90 for each game, while you only need
> to buy 1 or 2 nunchucks...ever, for a total of $40 for accessories
> that can be used for 90% of the games on the system.
Want to tell me what most of these great games for Wii are that only use the Wii-Mote? I have no doubt there are a few, but if you want to pass on the games I listed that need Nunchuck, that's your decision. I didn't brush those titles off. I said you have to a Nunchuck to play them. If you don't, you can't play them and that sucks as a Wii owner. For the PS3, I never said you had to buy the Eye of Judgment package or Time Crisis package. You can if you want to play those games (GunCon 3 isn't even used for anything else) but the accessories included aren't used to much else. But you miss out on a lot of great Wii games without the Nunchuck (this you cannot disagree, but you can try). I can imagine an uninformed parent buying a Wii, an extra Wii-Mote, and a few games like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid Prime (all Nintendo titles) and coming home and then their kid ends up having to tell them to go back to the store to pick up a pair of Nunchucks in order to play them. That sucks.
> Correct me if I'm mistaken here, but a 360 controller w/o rechargeable
> battery is $50, a Wii controller w/nunchuck is $60, and a SIXAXIS
> w/o rumble being $40 and DS3 being $60. So, right there, you have
> absolutely no arguement...They're equal. So, let's move on to
> the current 1:1 motion controller battle...
> The motion pluses are $40 each (you might as well minus one because
> you know you're getting Sports Resort) and you might need MAYBE 2
> of these, but let's say 3...there's $120. How much do you think the
> Natal will cost? Everyone's guess is ~$100. I mean, if 360 software
> is $60, you gotta assume the hardware is going to be more. And the
> Ps3 wand? Well, assuming the DS3 is already $60, I'm guessing the
> wand is going to be at least $50 each.
I never said anything about being equal. It's just my opinion that analog functionality should've been standard as it has been for console games since the Saturn. Why else would they release it later if they don't need it? It's because they do need it.
> So, get off your high "oh the Wii controller is $80 ZOMG!" high horse,
> because unless you really want to penny pinch, the average costs
> will be the same across all three systems for their hardware. But
> if you REALLY want to penny pinch, start with the retail prices of
> the consoles, add that to the cost of owning 4 controllers (including
> their full motion control B.S.) and see what the price differences
> are...and don't even get me started on software price differences.
Sounds like you're on a throne. My original post was a light-hearted joke, but you seem to be a fanboy that is defending Nintendo to the bitter end. Again, I have a Wii and I play it (playing RE4 and Mario Galaxy right now) in addition to my PS3. With no Nunchuck, I can't play those. I'll have to stick with Wii Sports.
I play both my PS3 and Wii evenly so don't claim I'm a PS3 fanboy. $60 for a PS3 game blows and so did the high cost of acquiring the system. So there, I just BLASTED both the Wii and PS3, why don't you defend the PS3 as well then? | j_factor
| | #34 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:46am (EST) |
Sun wrote:
> Shovelware doesn't count, which comprises like 80% of the
> Wii's library, if not more. That fact you can't play most
> of the major titles without the additional accessories
> is crap (Nunchuck for No More Heroes, The Conduit, Metroid
> Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess)
Except for the The Conduit, those are 1-player games. Your Wii came with one Nunchuk. It's not an additional accessory. It came with the console.
Classic Cantero quote:
"Gun Valkyrie just wasn't any good." -- 2003
"Just went through GUNVALKYRIE again. Got all the cores this time, Kelly Lv-3 is pretty sweet.
But yeah, killer game. RECOMMENDED." -- 2008 | ENIX
| | #35 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:54am (EST) |
How am I defending Nintendo? I'm simply laying out the fact that they're all on the same playing field in regards to pricing for controllers. The only advantage Nintendo has is that all of the functions can be optional.
I own all 3 systems, and to be honest, I can't justify the PS3 outside of a couple of the exclusives. That's not to say it doesn't have some merits, but the cost-to-benefit ratio for me is pretty sad.
To be honest, as much as I love Nintendo, I gotta give this gen to the 360. So, yeah, I can easily fall into the Nintendo fanboy category, but I'm realistic...they may be in the lead with sales but (and really, none of this is Nintendo's fault) there are far too many sloppy games out there. But that's not bad on the Wii, that's bad on the 3rd party devs and mostly bad on the umbass customers who support this crap. However, it's obvious that this market is huge because everyone is playing catch-up with the casual crowd now. Natal and the Wand are just as big of gimmick magnets as the Wii has been for the past 3 years.
My point is that hardware-wise they're all equal (in different ways), especially in price. The only bump that the 360 really has IMO is the (non-DL) software quality. For some reason, devs seem to want to put effort into the 360 stuff...and they want to fall back on the lame excuse about how releasing games on a Nintendo system is like being in direct competition with Nintendo's excellent software...I call that bullcrap, because no matter what they do, they're in competition with each other.
On a side note, I don't hide my hatred for the post-PS1 Sony, but I do try to be fair in my assessments regardless of who I like. | ENIX
| | #36 posted July 1, 2009 at 2:55am (EST) |
j_factor wrote:
> Except for the The Conduit, those are 1-player games. Your Wii came
> with one Nunchuk. It's not an additional accessory. It came with
> the console.
So true. It seems as though everyone is forgetting this. | Sun
| | #37 posted July 1, 2009 at 3:04am (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> j_factor wrote:
>> Except for the The Conduit, those are 1-player games. Your Wii
> came
>> with one Nunchuk. It's not an additional accessory. It came
> with
>> the console.
>
>
> So true. It seems as though everyone is forgetting this.
I stand corrected on that. For some reason I thought I had to buy all of them separately. Then why not sell additional Wii-Motes packaged with the Nunchuck? Seems kinda dumb to have 2 Wii-Motes and 1 Nunchuck. Sadly for a game like Smash Bros. Brawl, you need 4 Wii-Motes AND 4 Nunchucks to take full advantage of what the game has to offer (or stick to Wii-Mote only mode, which blows, or go buy Gamecube remotes or Classic controllers). Still, you have to get all that extra stuff. | Sun
| #38 posted July 1, 2009 at 3:12am (EST)
edited July 1, 2009 at 3:17am (EST) |
ENIX wrote:
> How am I defending Nintendo? I'm simply laying out the fact that
> they're all on the same playing field in regards to pricing for controllers.
> The only advantage Nintendo has is that all of the functions can
> be optional.
So the flagships titles all are "optional". I'm sure that is how Nintendo wants those games to be seen.
> I own all 3 systems, and to be honest, I can't justify the PS3 outside
> of a couple of the exclusives. That's not to say it doesn't have
> some merits, but the cost-to-benefit ratio for me is pretty sad.
I agree the PS3 lacks the exclusives to sell system. But if I can only have one or the other (PS3 or 360), I'll (and did) take the PS3.
> To be honest, as much as I love Nintendo, I gotta give this gen to
> the 360. So, yeah, I can easily fall into the Nintendo fanboy category,
> but I'm realistic...they may be in the lead with sales but (and really,
> none of this is Nintendo's fault) there are far too many sloppy
> games out there. But that's not bad on the Wii, that's bad on the
> 3rd party devs and mostly bad on the umbass customers who support
> this crap. However, it's obvious that this market is huge because
> everyone is playing catch-up with the casual crowd now. Natal and
> the Wand are just as big of gimmick magnets as the Wii has been for
> the past 3 years.
Yeah, you can't blame the shovelware on Nintendo, but it's there and it takes up like 80% of the Wii's shelf space. I'm just saying you can't use those in your argument of "the majority of great games for the Wii are great Wii-Mote only games, which you still didn't provide me any examples of).
> My point is that hardware-wise they're all equal (in different ways),
> especially in price. The only bump that the 360 really has IMO is
> the (non-DL) software quality. For some reason, devs seem to want
> to put effort into the 360 stuff...and they want to fall back on the
> lame excuse about how releasing games on a Nintendo system is like
> being in direct competition with Nintendo's excellent software...I
> call that bullcrap, because no matter what they do, they're in competition
> with each other.
PS3 is hard to develop for, so I hear. And it's a vicious cycle. Why develop for a system (PS3) that has a fraction of the installed base the PS3 has AND is hard to develop for? That is no incentive at all. Sony dropped the ball this generation. However, it is a valid excuse for developers. Why develop a good/great game if it's not going to sell because everyone wants "Mario", "Zelda", "Metroid"? Examples are MadWorld, Boom Blox, House of the Dead Overkill. As a developer, I wouldn't want to put resources and time into games that aren't going to make money.
> On a side note, I don't hide my hatred for the post-PS1 Sony, but
> I do try to be fair in my assessments regardless of who I like.
I'm being fair. I don't have strong feelings for any of the companies, but I still point out when I think I am being wronged as a consumer. | colon
| | #39 posted July 1, 2009 at 4:45am (EST) |
Catfight! | ENIX
| | #40 posted July 1, 2009 at 10:00am (EST) |
meeeeeeeeeeeeow | | |
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