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Topic   White Privilege..tell us about it

Osiris
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22-Oct(#1)
Seen references from a number of users in the mid 30's demographic, have you had your professional or personal accomplishments attributed to being white and male?

If so, by individuals you know, or just something systemic?

Not familiar with this, so interested in other experiences. Specifics helpful.
Prime
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22-Oct(#2)
Go read a book.
Karaiya
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22-Oct(#3)
You all have my attention.
Dustin
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22-Oct(#4)
Only Karaiya has informed me of my white privilege.

I kid, I kid.
Prime
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22-Oct(#5)
More or less it adressss the true notion that some people weren't historically afforded the same chances or opportunities and faced roadblocks and uphill battles in an attempt to get what some other people had seen very little to no resistance. So in certain circumstances part of it is just an acknowledgement and in a second part it's recognizing that if someone new is getting rights, privileges and opportunities that they haven't enjoyed (that we have) that we don't resent them and see it as an infringement to our rights, opportunities and privileges.

In basic terms it's recognizing that some folks had a harder time finding, attaining and enjoying basic liberties and in its second part essentially not being offended that folks talk about, particularly in attempts to balance the playing field and not dredge up the past to play the blame game (although the blame game should be called something else addressing problems at their point of origin does have a place sometimes for purposes of historical context) that we aren't offended or threatened when folks speak on ways, provide historical instances that show the inequity and are essentially gaining access now to things others have had access.

I forget what Ivy League school conducted it but over a ten year period they found that black college graduates with no criminal history were as likely percentage wise to be asked back for a second interview as convicted white felons.

Maybe I went a litte off. I think I started by being basic and on point and bled my own politics into it smidgen.

Basically it's not being upset or offended when people point out historical hypocrisy or show how not everything was as easy for others and then not being indignant and incensed at the notion of sharing that basic liberty when others now enjoy it and are still fighting for it and trying to find a seat at the table.

Basically we didn't have enough chairs at the table all along and we're used to that. So any change can seem like infringement or encroachment like someone's asking for "our" chairs when really they're just asking if it's cool if they drag over a chair and sit with us.
Osiris
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22-Oct(#6)
Gomez wrote:
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> Basically we didn't have enough chairs at the table all along and we're used to that.

Who are the "we" referred here to exactly?
Prime
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22-Oct(#7)
Osiris wrote:
> Gomez wrote:
>>
>> Basically we didn't have enough chairs at the table all along and we're used to
> that.
>
> Who are the "we" referred here to exactly?

In a sense the founders. There was much resistance when drawing up the bill of rights. I suppose you could say white people but I wasn't going there. Most white people may benifit from certain privileges and crap but they aren't the creators of the system, they're cogs and players within the system the same as less fortunate or disenfranchised. System just happens to work a little more in their favor but the important thing I always think about is that 99% of white folks are commoners and not the DESIGNERS. Essentially the we is to make a hunger games reference are like the Game Makers. The ones who control the variables and environments and such. And sure, yeah in American the game makers have largely been white men that's absolutely not where I was going with that we.

And to further explain. I include all out people in the we because we live in a republic if we see there aren't enough seats at the table and our lawmakers, rule makers, game makers aren't doing anything about adding seats to the table we're supposed to or st least theoretically have the power to ask for the dynamic to change however we see fit, fair, justice full and liberty bound. However if you never knew there were less seats at the table (I'm not talking about equal seats I just mean if your percentage is 10% you don't get more seats than 10% but your 10% now enjoys having a seat at the table that gives you the same voice everyone else has. Someone who can ensure now that you're being represented and accounted for that can advocate for you.

When everyone has a seat at the table and has essentially the same liberties, freedoms, opportunities and fairness there's a lot less of this us and them mentality. When people share those liberties there is a lot more we in a good community sense. (Which by the way the game makers and powers that be really don't want-- to a degree it means the beginning of a unified people and a reclamation of grassroots voting power that can topple the almost impenetrable force field they've built for themselves; see addendum on gerrymandering). And most of that can I think actually be solved by economics. Give people economic hope you'll do more to erase division and separation than anything. One of the troubling things is that the base of white middle class America has been getting its ass kicked the last twenty years and is kind of not in the mood to hear other sob stories. The game makers have been secretly and subtlety oppressing them too now. Essentially forcing the middle class into the lower class through crafty political economics. And that brews a class war those that have been entrecnchced in the game makers plot forever and those just seeing how those game makers have begun to stretch that reach now to other parties. Historically protected from that reach parties. And so we fight with each other when all the policies stick it to all of us. And we're here slugging it out over who has had it worse and who deserves to have it better more and the answer eludes us. We all deserve better. Some have been having it stuck to them institutionally longer than others but they're sticking it to everyone through institutions now. And so we go at each other instead of going after them.

Osiris
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22-Oct(#8)
I was interested in specific events where the perceived or real advantage of white privilege has been invoked to lessen individual accomplishments
Karaiya
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22-Oct(#9)
Dustin wrote:
> Only Karaiya has informed me of my white privilege.
>
> I kid, I kid.

Hahahaha.
Prime
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* 22-Oct(#10)
Osiris wrote:
> I was interested in specific events where the perceived or real advantage of white
> privilege has been invoked to lessen individual accomplishments

My girl is a social worker and she told me to post this article she has from grad school. I wanted to read it and take the more important issues out and focus less on the more nit-picky stuff that is real and does exist but focus more or bigger deals and mainly economics. I was afraid that the lesser lever stuff might not be productive on an introductory conversation which she opined that a person could connect with those mundane everyday things. So I'll just post the article. To keep things in mind these findings are from I belive the 80's so there's again historical context, something's may have been more prevalent then versus now and vice versa.

I guess what I gave you was a basic and broad stroke walk through of it as a concept.
Feeb
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* 22-Oct(#12)
I've never seems a situation in which a person was given anything because of race. Sex is another matter. Women get so many free drinks.
Mexico
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22-Oct(#13)
Gomez wrote:
> More or less it adressss the true notion that some people weren't historically afforded
> the same chances or opportunities and faced roadblocks and uphill battles in an attempt
> to get what some other people had seen very little to no resistance. So in certain
> circumstances part of it is just an acknowledgement and in a second part it's recognizing
> that if someone new is getting rights, privileges and opportunities that they haven't
> enjoyed (that we have)

You are not white jew.
Prime
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22-Oct(#14)
@Mexico I converted. Still technically not official. But you're all invited to my Bar Mitzvah. The day I finally become a man.
Dustin
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22-Oct(#15)
What color are Jews?
Noid
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22-Oct(#16)
Green! smiley:::winking raspberry

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DiamondDave
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23-Oct(#17)
Man, this thread is whack
lpeters82
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* 23-Oct(#18)
Nothing specific other then the occasional posting on Facebook, and those don't seem to be about tearing me down it's more..."Take a moment to reflect on how there are things, that were not in your control, that gave you a head start over others." Far from anything that makes me want to flip the dialog and pretend like I'm a victim.

Topic   White Privilege..tell us about it