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MikeyWhoa
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23-Feb-2017(#1)
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One thing that I think that we might all agree with is that the news doesn't stop talking about Trump. Causing a lot of under-the-radar news stories to go underreported. It's sometimes hard for people to see or find information.

This thread is dedicated to sharing news stories or information that you think deserves more attention. Left or Right. Happy or Sad. Reporting or Opinion. All I ask is that you provide links so others can read or watch for themselves.

'Alternative' Education: Using Charter Schools to Hide Dropouts and Game the System from ProPublica.

6 Surprising Things You Learn In The Alt-Right Media Bubble from Cracked (Not a news org, but interesting still).


Osiris
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24-Oct(#2)
So there doesn't seem to be any buyer's remorse from the Trump base, the constant conflict between the president and a number of other entities is considered necessary for this revolution.

If tax changes clearly do not benefit the economic middle class overall, will the base blame Congress rather than the president?

Same concept with the wall, what manifestation must it take for the base to be satisfied with the president on that?

To me it is really unclear what the Trump base thinks about the state of healthcare services.

Conflict seems to be an end rather than a means in everyday politics with the president.
DiamondDave
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* 24-Oct(#3)
> will the base blame Congress rather than the president?

They simultaneously have the right and do not have the right to do so. They have the right because these are the crapheads who would have given it the thumbs-up in the first place, but on the other hand, WHO voted these clowns in?

I find it astounding that we don't have the money or resources to keep people healthy equally, but we do have the resources to give corporations and hedge-fund managers a multi-trillion dollar tax cut. What the actual fudge is wrong with this fudging country? What is this sickness of spirit and humanity?
Dustin
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24-Oct(#4)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> Man you guys just don't get it. I don't understand how you don't, but oh well.
> Keep
>> tossing labels on people that don't belong. That's part of what got us here in
> the
>> first place. When will you guys take some responsibility?
>
>
> What labels did I toss around irresponsibly? You said yourself that Trump got elected
> because you, and your political cohorts "despise liberals". Despising someone based
> on their beliefs is the literal definition of bigotry brother. It's just a fact.
> Not knocking you. We're all a bit bigoted. It's just important to recognize it.
>
> As for our current situation, I think a lot us against Trump feel at least partially
> responsible for the lackadaisical approach to the election. But one thing we can
> say is we didn't vote fore him. Trumps actions are the results of his followers,
> and those mentioned above who simply hated liberals. I totally agree that liberal
> hate was a huge part of his election. It's not even a secret. Your side is quite
> vocal of their disdain for liberals.
>
> But you don't get to blame us for his presidency. Nobody forced your hand. You voted
> for him, so own up to it. If you don't like it, then join the fight.
>
>
>

The problem is that people (liberals) don't understand that the way the are is exactly the reason they're in the situation they're in. They can't grasp that the words they say, the beliefs they hold, the accusations they make, the labels they put on people, the condescension they bring to anyone who differs from them, all that stuff is EXACTLY the reason why Trump won the election. Now they want to sit around and dog about it with no self awareness at all to realize they are the reason for it. People are tired of being labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted, etc, when they truly aren't. Oh you support Trump? RACIST! No, fudge that. It's bullcrap to the highest level. People are fed up with the ultra progressive agenda of liberals today. Sometimes facts are just facts. Pointing them out doesn't make you a bad person or worthy of bad labels.
DiamondDave
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24-Oct(#5)
Again, if we look at the numbers, Democrats voted Independent last election cycle or simply didn't vote at all. Republican vote was flat or falling. You're putting too much of this on an anti-progressive wave when the simple poll numbers do not support that insinuation. I'm sure it didn't help, it certainly didn't swing many red votes to blue, but that's not why Trump won the election. He was lucky his opponent was so terrible.
Dustin
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24-Oct(#6)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Again, if we look at the numbers, Democrats voted Independent last election cycle
> or simply didn't vote at all. Republican vote was flat or falling. You're putting
> too much of this on an anti-progressive wave when the simple poll numbers do not
> support that insinuation. I'm sure it didn't help, it certainly didn't swing many
> red votes to blue, but that's not why Trump won the election. He was lucky his opponent
> was so terrible.

Yeah ok. Let's just all keep acting the way we've been towards each other for the past two years (libs and cons in general, not us on here). That will surely work itself out. Civil War V2, coming soon to a theater near you.
DiamondDave
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* 24-Oct(#7)
Hahaha. I mean, if you aren't going to look at the numbers, please, feel free to be wrong. I won't stop ya. smiley:::wink

For the record, since you're so adamant, I HAPPEN TO AGREE with your stance in ultra-liberalism and hyper-progressive dingbats. The hypocrisy of Hollywood notwithstanding, Trump got very lucky.
Dustin
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24-Oct(#8)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Hahaha. I mean, if you aren't going to look at the numbers, please, feel free to
> be wrong. I won't stop ya. smiley:::wink
>
> For the record, since you're so adamant, I HAPPEN TO AGREE with your stance in ultra-liberalism
> and hyper-progressive dingbats. The hypocrisy of Hollywood notwithstanding, Trump
> got very lucky.

We cool. I want you on my team in the war.
Missile
Gold Good Trader
* 24-Oct(#9)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Again, if we look at the numbers, Democrats voted Independent last election cycle
> or simply didn't vote at all. Republican vote was flat or falling. You're putting
> too much of this on an anti-progressive wave when the simple poll numbers do not
> support that insinuation. I'm sure it didn't help, it certainly didn't swing many
> red votes to blue, but that's not why Trump won the election. He was lucky his opponent
> was so terrible.
Now is it really luck when said opponent has a history of being unliked yet still forced themselves on the democratic party and may or may not have muscled out their sole competitor?
DiamondDave
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* 24-Oct(#10)
If it woulda swung the other way and Sanders had been up for the blue ticket I think we would have had a very different race. Honestly if it'd been anyone but Hillary, things would be much different. Trump would be on Twitter still screaming about illegal voters, Melania would be happy and the Presidency would still be, if nothing else, professional. Instead of being highly embarrassing.
Osiris
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24-Oct(#11)
the trump thing is a pretty unique phenomenon, more interested in why the trump base continues to support the style and implementation of national leadership. If the base started to turn, the trump approach would change too. He is very mindful of how history will regard him.
DiamondDave
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* 24-Oct(#12)
Maybe it's because most of his "base" is nonexistent, general consensus being that over half of the red base was going to vote red regardless of who was running, same with blues, and the majority of people are too busy working to be bothered to really give a crap. I legit think the majority of his "base" online is fake.

I see some very passionate Trump supporters, sure, but it's like, a 1 in 20 ratio. In my social circle most people either dislike him or don't care enough to comment. I think most would fit into the latter category. But his opinions since taking office have rarely been his own unless it was an opinion about himself. You'd swear if they panned around to his backside you'd see a puppeteer with his arm shoved up Trump's ass making his mouth move.

Not being a Trump hardcaw, it's hard to tell.
ninesalone
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* 24-Oct(#13)
Osiris wrote:
> the trump thing is a pretty unique phenomenon, more interested in why the trump base
> continues to support the style and implementation of national leadership. If the
> base started to turn, the trump approach would change too. He is very mindful of
> how history will regard him.

What Trump is actually doing vs the media portrayal of Trump is night and day. So many good things are obfuscated or not talked about and the people trusting these outlets 100% think some sort of disaster is happening. This is what those news organizations are set out to do, certainly not cover his presidency objectively.

It's like you view it through an extremely skewed lens then wonder why the people that don't aren't as outraged as you are. Maybe you're wrong somewhere. Something to consider. I'm absolutely amazed that the left has done next to no self-reflection and underestimates the MAGA movement/Trump as much as they do. I have little doubt 2020 will look a lot like 2016. Some of you guys just don't get it and your smug attitudes, condescension, and moral posturing are laughable.
DiamondDave
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* 24-Oct(#14)
*wags finger* You're dumb and wrong, nines! Dumb and wrong!

See you in 2020, and it's looking BLU-HUE-HUE-HUE OUT ah but seriously, political parties are the prison to which we are all chained down to. Gotta let go. And stop supporting losers.
Osiris
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24-Oct(#15)
thats the nature of the problem, the base thinks all the negative views of trump are generated by the media coverage, where people actually judge him as president by what he says and tweets, who he appoints, executive orders he signs, what he seems to support as legislation thru his own spokespeople. We don't use a filter to judge our leaders, what they actually do and say is sufficient.
ninesalone
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24-Oct(#16)
DiamondDave wrote:
> *wags finger* You're dumb and wrong, nines! Dumb and wrong!
>
> See you in 2020, and it's looking BLU-HUE-HUE-HUE OUT

laughing out loud Time will tell for sure.



> ah but seriously, political
> parties are the prison to which we are all chained down to. Gotta let go. And stop
> supporting losers.

I didn't care for either party before Trump. I agree somewhat. Both parties candidates have mostly been puppets of the Deep-State and beholden to them and the mass media. After watching the GOP primaries I cancelled my membership to the Libertarian party.
MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#17)
Today I learned that acting liberal gets Presidents elected and not actual voters voting.

Today I learned that even though I judge the President on his own merits, it's actually the news I don't watch that controls my feeble mind.

Today I learned that disliking someone based on their beliefs is apparently NOT bigotry, despite the vocabulary. And pointing out what the definition clearly states makes you condescending.

Today I learned that the liberals are WAY more powerful than I believed. Even though Congress, The Senate, The Supreme Court, The Presidency, and a VAST majority of local governments are controlled by the right, the liberals are still destroying everything, and responsible for the countries negative aspects.

I wouldn't worry about the next Civil War though. The average Joe is too lazy in general to get up and fight a war. Bad on the back and knees. And if a hypothetical draft were to happen to go out and fight my own countrymen. I think I'll get a bone spur or two.

Dustin
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24-Oct(#18)
Today I learned that MikeyWhoa still doesn't get it (that's a lie though because I already knew that)
MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#19)
Enlighten me, O' enlighteners.

Something beyond "Liberals suck" would be helpful.

Dustin
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24-Oct(#20)
Are you really so naive to ignore the fact that maybe, just MAYBE, the actions of many libs across the board could drive some people to vote red, who may not have done so?
Osiris
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24-Oct(#21)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Today I learned that disliking someone based on their beliefs is apparently NOT bigotry,
> despite the vocabulary. And pointing out what the definition clearly states makes
> you condescending.

i didn't understand this one, me stupit. Everyone (women as well) should experience a selective service draft process, it's a hoot, alters foreign war perceptions quite a bit.
MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#22)
Dustin wrote:
> Are you really so naive to ignore the fact that maybe, just MAYBE, the actions of
> many libs across the board could drive some people to vote red, who may not have
> done so?

I have already conceded that point earlier today. The lack of action by liberals helped cost them the election.

How easily controlled and swerved are these people? They wouldn't have voted for Trump, but then they saw a liberal? No policy or value concerns? Do you seriously not see the negative light your painting your peers and yourself in?




MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#23)
Osiris wrote:
> MikeyWhoa wrote:
>> Today I learned that disliking someone based on their beliefs is apparently NOT
> bigotry,
>> despite the vocabulary. And pointing out what the definition clearly states makes
>> you condescending.
>
> i didn't understand this one, me stupit. Everyone (women as well) should experience
> a selective service draft process, it's a hoot, alters foreign war perceptions quite
> a bit.


Ummm, did you quote the wrong portion, or am I missing something here?


Missile
Gold Good Trader
24-Oct(#24)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Maybe it's because most of his "base" is nonexistent, general consensus being that
> over half of the red base was going to vote red regardless of who was running, same
> with blues, and the majority of people are too busy working to be bothered to really
> give a crap. I legit think the majority of his "base" online is fake.
>
> I see some very passionate Trump supporters, sure, but it's like, a 1 in 20 ratio.
> In my social circle most people either dislike him or don't care enough to comment.
> I think most would fit into the latter category. But his opinions since taking
> office have rarely been his own unless it was an opinion about himself. You'd swear
> if they panned around to his backside you'd see a puppeteer with his arm shoved up
> Trump's ass making his mouth move.
>
> Not being a Trump hardcaw, it's hard to tell.
Yeah most Trump supporters are people who are fed up with the way things are going, and want to take Mickey Mouse to a whole new level, or are just internet trolls.

Trump himself is probably the greatest troll of our generation, i'd say he was a great troll op too, but really it was a combination of MSM and the unlikability of Hillary that pretty much handed him the win.
Dustin
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24-Oct(#25)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> Are you really so naive to ignore the fact that maybe, just MAYBE, the actions
> of
>> many libs across the board could drive some people to vote red, who may not have
>> done so?
>
> I have already conceded that point earlier today. The lack of action by liberals
> helped cost them the election.

Lack of action isn't what we're talking about. It's THE action that helped cost them the election.

>
> How easily controlled and swerved are these people? They wouldn't have voted for
> Trump, but then they saw a liberal? No policy or value concerns? Do you seriously
> not see the negative light your painting your peers and yourself in?
>

Saw a liberal? What, are they like the boogeyman or something? Come on man, get real. Every social issue over the past few years has basically told people that if you hold traditional family values, aren't "progressive" enough, are a Christian, or are a white male, that you're basically either racist, homophobic or sexist. People are fed up with being labeled things they aren't. This is a really simple concept that I've explained numerous times here and if you don't get the point by now then you're either willfully ignorant or just not very bright.
Osiris
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* 24-Oct(#26)
>> Dustin wrote:
> Every social issue over the past few years has basically told people that if you
> hold traditional family values, aren't "progressive" enough, are a Christian, or
> are a white male, that you're basically either racist, homophobic or sexist.
>
MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#27)
Dustin wrote:
> MikeyWhoa wrote:
>> Dustin wrote:
> |>> Are you really so naive to ignore the fact that maybe, just MAYBE, the actions
>> of
> |>> many libs across the board could drive some people to vote red, who may not have
> |>> done so?
>>
>> I have already conceded that point earlier today. The lack of action by liberals
>> helped cost them the election.
>
> Lack of action isn't what we're talking about. It's THE action that helped cost them
> the election.


What is THE action precisely?


>
>>
>> How easily controlled and swerved are these people? They wouldn't have voted for
>> Trump, but then they saw a liberal? No policy or value concerns? Do you seriously
>> not see the negative light your painting your peers and yourself in?
>>
>
> Saw a liberal? What, are they like the boogeyman or something? Come on man, get real.
> Every social issue over the past few years has basically told people that if you
> hold traditional family values, aren't "progressive" enough, are a Christian, or
> are a white male, that you're basically either racist, homophobic or sexist. People
> are fed up with being labeled things they aren't. This is a really simple concept
> that I've explained numerous times here and if you don't get the point by now then
> you're either willfully ignorant or just not very bright.
>


I just simply disagree. I think the problem here is your "experience", or lack there of with liberals. Your low opinion of liberals seems to match up with the narratives of Hannity and AM radio hosts. I'd suggest you go talk to an actual progressive, and not listen to those talking about them.

My environment, friends and family are hugely conservative. I see and experience and live Conservatism every single day. I'm surrounded by it. So I feel safe in holding it accountable. I don't listen to Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow. I make up my own mind according to what I experience every day. Not some Conservative caricatures. Real people. A lot of them otherwise good folks. Until they find out you might be a liberal.

Dustin
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24-Oct(#28)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> MikeyWhoa wrote:
> |>> Dustin wrote:
>> |>> Are you really so naive to ignore the fact that maybe, just MAYBE, the actions
> |>> of
>> |>> many libs across the board could drive some people to vote red, who may not
> have
>> |>> done so?
> |>>
> |>> I have already conceded that point earlier today. The lack of action by liberals
> |>> helped cost them the election.
>>
>> Lack of action isn't what we're talking about. It's THE action that helped cost
> them
>> the election.
>
>
> What is THE action precisely?

I already explained it. Numerous times. Not doing it again.


>
>
>>
> |>>
> |>> How easily controlled and swerved are these people? They wouldn't have voted
> for
> |>> Trump, but then they saw a liberal? No policy or value concerns? Do you seriously
> |>> not see the negative light your painting your peers and yourself in?
> |>>
>>
>> Saw a liberal? What, are they like the boogeyman or something? Come on man, get
> real.
>> Every social issue over the past few years has basically told people that if you
>> hold traditional family values, aren't "progressive" enough, are a Christian,
> or
>> are a white male, that you're basically either racist, homophobic or sexist. People
>> are fed up with being labeled things they aren't. This is a really simple concept
>> that I've explained numerous times here and if you don't get the point by now
> then
>> you're either willfully ignorant or just not very bright.
>>
>
>
> I just simply disagree. I think the problem here is your "experience", or lack there
> of with liberals. Your low opinion of liberals seems to match up with the narratives
> of Hannity and AM radio hosts. I'd suggest you go talk to an actual progressive,
> and not listen to those talking about them.
>
> My environment, friends and family are hugely conservative. I see and experience
> and live Conservatism every single day. I'm surrounded by it. So I feel safe in holding
> it accountable. I don't listen to Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow. I make up my own
> mind according to what I experience every day. Not some Conservative caricatures.
> Real people. A lot of them otherwise good folks. Until they find out you might be
> a liberal.
>
>

We can agree to disagree. I don't listen to any conservative or AM radio. I don't watch conservative talk people. I try and stay away from a lot of it to be honest. I don't even really speak from my own experiences as I typically don't bring up these kinds of things with random people. When I say "people" or "many people", I'm not necessarily referring to my friends and I, but just people in general. Yes, I do have a low opinion of liberals. Not on a personality level, just their ideals. To me, liberalism is based on bullcrap. I think it lacks logic and reason, is largely based on feelings, and I can't get behind that. That's just my opinion though, and like you I make up my own mind. Doesn't mean I wouldn't associate with these kinds of people, as I certainly do, I just leave politics out of the discussion. It will truly get you no where.
MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#29)
Osiris wrote:
> |>> Dustin wrote:
>> Every social issue over the past few years has basically told people that if you
>> hold traditional family values, aren't "progressive" enough, are a Christian,
> or
>> are a white male, that you're basically either racist, homophobic or sexist.
> |>

You guys basing this off of Twitter? It's just a basic and incorrect stereotype of liberalism.

Before I comment on this, what are "traditional family values" exactly?

The Christian argument again? You seriously believe the Christians are the most persecuted religion in America? Additionally, Liberals and Progressives don't hate Christians at all. You'll actually see many of them wishing people (including themselves) to be MORE Christlike.

I don't recall myself or my friends worrying about white people being inherently bad. Especially since most of us are white. We do however call out the white martyrs who believe that they are the REAL persecuted peoples.

Feeb
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24-Oct(#30)
Most people just talk a ton of activist crap and don't even go out and vote- then they swear it won't happen again. Can't win if you don't play ball.
Dustin
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24-Oct(#31)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Osiris wrote:
>> |>> Dustin wrote:
> |>> Every social issue over the past few years has basically told people that if
> you
> |>> hold traditional family values, aren't "progressive" enough, are a Christian,
>> or
> |>> are a white male, that you're basically either racist, homophobic or sexist.
>> |>
>
> You guys basing this off of Twitter? It's just a basic and incorrect stereotype of
> liberalism.

Don't have twitter, sorry

>
> Before I comment on this, what are "traditional family values" exactly?
>
> The Christian argument again? You seriously believe the Christians are the most persecuted
> religion in America?

Sorry, but that's a dumb comment. Nothing I said was even close to translating to "Christians are the most persecuted religion in America". Stop making crap up to try and make a point.

We've had this conversation before. It didn't solve anything then and it won't now. Have a good evening.
MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#32)
You're no fun tonight.

I don't really want you to answer silly. Because you wouldn't. That's the overall point. I've asked questions in this forum for a year, and they mostly go unanswered. There's no interest in point by point debate. Just generalization, hyperbole, and deflection. Doesn't stop us trying.

You're super troll in here brother. Don't take it so personal.

Dustin
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* 24-Oct(#33)
"Super troll" for pointing out things I've noticed and stating my opinion, lol. You seem to need a step by step, point by point explanation for things that are very elementary. I don't have the desire to do that. You don't ask honest questions anyway, you try and curve the discussion to "prove" a point that isn't there. Youll have to excuse me for not wanting to have to continually correct you.

Also, if you DO ever want to ask an honest question, in the correct context the example was being used, I'd be glad to answer.
MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#34)
Super troll for 90% of your posts. You said as much yourself brother. Don't get on your high horse.

You are the king of vague. There's nothing wrong with that. Have your fun man. I do it to. It's refreshing sometimes, and irritating others. Just don't act above it when it's convenient for the current convo.

Anyhoo, Jeff Flake gave an OK speech today. He still sucks though.

Missile
Gold Good Trader
24-Oct(#35)
The standards for trolling have dropped in recent years, so super troll seems apt.
Dustin
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* 24-Oct(#36)
I want a super troll icon at least. I feel like a picture of Mikey crying on election night would be sufficient.
Missile
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24-Oct(#37)
Dustin
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24-Oct(#38)
Missile wrote:
> so like a still from this

Yes! That'd be perfect.
ninesalone
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24-Oct(#39)
I don't respond to a lot of posts aimed at me because they are obvious sophist traps meant to steer the conversation away from the topic and towards calling into question either my intelligence or morality.

This is the problem with how a lot on the left "debate." It's so lazy. When pressed or questioned on certain issues, they then are shocked to find out I sometimes share very similar views. Bring up something pro-Trump or rebut the media attacks on him and all bets are off.

I share a bit more about myself and participate more in the conversations here because politics are a big part of my life, for better or worse. A couple of my friends are in the state House of Representatives or are involved in politics at some level. It's very common for a lot of my evenings to be filled with political discourse that's at a much higher caliber than what you see here. Though that's more libertarian/conservative talk and completely lacks anyone on the left.
MikeyWhoa
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24-Oct(#40)
Dustin wrote:
> I want a super troll icon at least. I feel like a picture of Mikey crying on election
> night would be sufficient.

Couldn't cry. Was too dehydrated from banging your mom.


I admit, your jokes better.




Dustin
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24-Oct(#41)
How dare you. My mother is a saint.
thatonedude
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* 24-Oct(#42)
ninesalone wrote:
> ...sophist traps meant to steer the conversation away from the topic and towards calling into question
> either my intelligence or morality.

This is exactly what Trump does to his opposition of the moment.

> This is the problem with how a lot on the left "debate." It's so lazy. When pressed
> or questioned on certain issues, they then are shocked to find out I sometimes share
> very similar views. Bring up something pro-Trump or rebut the media attacks on him
> and all bets are off.

And it was different on the right and with right wing media when Obama was in office?

> I share a bit more about myself and participate more in the conversations here because
> politics are a big part of my life, for better or worse. A couple of my friends are
> in the state House of Representatives or are involved in politics at some level.
> It's very common for a lot of my evenings to be filled with political discourse that's
> at a much higher caliber than what you see here. Though that's more libertarian/conservative
> talk and completely lacks anyone on the left.

And we have to listen to right wingers talk about the left being smug smiley:::rolls eyes

ninesalone
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* 24-Oct(#43)
thatonedude wrote:

>> I share a bit more about myself and participate more in the conversations here
> because
>> politics are a big part of my life, for better or worse. A couple of my friends
> are
>> in the state House of Representatives or are involved in politics at some level.
>> It's very common for a lot of my evenings to be filled with political discourse
> that's
>> at a much higher caliber than what you see here. Though that's more libertarian/conservative
>> talk and completely lacks anyone on the left.
>
> And we have to listen to right wingers talk about the left being smug smiley:::rolls eyes
>

Heh, didn't mean it to be smug. Have you ever sat with a group of guys for a couple hours over a few beers hammering out an idea or discussing current events? I live and breathe this kind of thing and for many reasons that doesn't or can't happen here.
Feeb
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24-Oct(#44)
It's safe to say the polarity of the snowflake has shifted. So many tears in here.
thatonedude
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24-Oct(#45)
Yeah, I get that. So many times in political discussions people forget that we are all human and subject to the same trappings.
Dustin
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24-Oct(#46)
Feeb wrote:
> It's safe to say the polarity of the snowflake has shifted. So many tears in here.
>

Agreed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avcyqp_10Yk
Feeb
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24-Oct(#48)
Beliefs come first. The explanations, if any, usually follow. It feels bad to be wrong.
SirConnery
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24-Oct(#49)
I think this can all be solved with a Wild West style shooting match.
Dustin
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24-Oct(#50)
Don't threaten me with a good time.
DiamondDave
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24-Oct(#51)
I'll bring Mom's spaghetti
Osiris
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25-Oct(#52)

> |>> Dustin wrote:
>> Every social issue over the past few years has basically told |>people that if you hold traditional family values, aren't |>"progressive" enough, are a Christian, or are a white male, that |>you're basically either racist, homophobic or sexist.

If this is a widespread feeling among the white middle aged, it will be difficult to reconcile feelings like this with what the US is becoming even after Trump time.
Feeb
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25-Oct(#53)
It is mostly white Christian men who feel like they need to push their lifestyle on the rest of society. I'm open to seeing how that's incorrect, but few of the ideas they espouse are passively seeping into society- they're maintained or established quite forcibly and vociferously. Recently the feeling I get is that the loss of perceived control has caused a paranoia- there is even more of a white Christian male ascension.

Dustin
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25-Oct(#54)
Feeb wrote:
> It is mostly white Christian men who feel like they need to push their lifestyle
> on the rest of society.

Quite the opposite actually. It's not white Christian men pushing their lifestyle on anyone, it's society pushing a different lifestyle on them that they don't agree with. In turn, they're pushing back, which gets them labeled bigot, etc.
Osiris
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25-Oct(#55)
lets take one aspect at a time:
does the LGBT movement exert pressure on standard male and female behavior and traditions?
Feeb
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25-Oct(#56)
Dustin wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> It is mostly white Christian men who feel like they need to push their lifestyle
>> on the rest of society.
>
> Quite the opposite actually. It's not white Christian men pushing their lifestyle
> on anyone, it's society pushing a different lifestyle on them that they don't agree
> with. In turn, they're pushing back, which gets them labeled bigot, etc.

It sounds like you've been personally affected. Examples may help me to understand.
DiamondDave
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* 25-Oct(#57)
Osiris wrote:
> lets take one aspect at a time:
> does the LGBT movement exert pressure on standard male and female behavior and traditions?

Only in the same ways normal customers would exert pressure on a CIS Male by telling them to do something they're already doing, mostly. I.E. Bob says "I want a cake." Gay Bob says "I want a cake (but it's for a gay wedding)", so unless they're making them deliver it to the gay wedding or draw gay dicks all over it or something, it's really not invasive at all. On the other hand, we just heard a story very recently where violent anti-gay pro-life propaganda was being spread in a cafe owned by a gay man, the same people who line up outside clinics dumping buckets of blood on people.

Like if we take this in degrees, the Gaydar trends much much gentler than Christian extremism. I think the majority of people just want to be left alone to do what they want, but if we're gauging how one party injects themselves into the existence of another, I'd say LGBT marching for equal (Equal, mind you) treatment does not add up to Christian extremism. Even the really obnoxious loud doges using LGBT as an outlet for misandry.

In practice, I see no way that gay marriage actually detracts from straight marriage, other than "I don't like it so it shouldn't be". Yet somehow it does. It becomes the laughable Slippery Slope trademark.
Feeb
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25-Oct(#58)
I've never been accosted and spoken to in a proselytizing manner by anyone other than white Christian men. Nearly every weekend in college and just this weekend in downtown Boston I was told I needed to change my ways. I enjoy those conversations; especially the times I get to teach people about the Bible.
Dustin
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25-Oct(#59)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Osiris wrote:
>> lets take one aspect at a time:
>> does the LGBT movement exert pressure on standard male and female behavior and
> traditions?
>
> Only in the same ways normal customers would exert pressure on a CIS Male by telling
> them to do something they're already doing, mostly. I.E. Bob says "I want a cake."
> Gay Bob says "I want a cake (but it's for a gay wedding)", so unless they're making
> them deliver it to the gay wedding or draw gay dicks all over it or something, it's
> really not invasive at all. On the other hand, we just heard a story very recently
> where violent anti-gay pro-life propaganda was being spread in a cafe owned by a
> gay man, the same people who line up outside clinics dumping buckets of blood on
> people.
>
> Like if we take this in degrees, the Gaydar trends much much gentler than Christian
> extremism. I think the majority of people just want to be left alone to do what
> they want, but if we're gauging how one party injects themselves into the existence
> of another, I'd say LGBT marching for equal (Equal, mind you) treatment does not
> add up to Christian extremism. Even the really obnoxious loud doges using LGBT
> as an outlet for misandry.
>
> In practice, I see no way that gay marriage actually detracts from straight marriage,
> other than "I don't like it so it shouldn't be". Yet somehow it does. It becomes
> the laughable Slippery Slope trademark.

No private business owner should EVER be forced to provide service to anyone. It's your business, if you don't like a certain group, it should be your prerogative.

If I was ever denied service for any reason, I'd probably just leave and go elsewhere. I certainly wouldn't make a huge deal about it and try to make it national news. Of course, I'm not an attention seeking douchebag, so that could be part of it.
DiamondDave
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25-Oct(#60)
Dustin wrote:
> No private business owner should EVER be forced to provide service to anyone. It's
> your business, if you don't like a certain group, it should be your prerogative.
>
>
> If I was ever denied service for any reason, I'd probably just leave and go elsewhere.
> I certainly wouldn't make a huge deal about it and try to make it national news.
> Of course, I'm not an attention seeking douchebag, so that could be part of it.

I mostly agree. I still think anyone who doesn't serve gays, nonwhites (or whites) equally to anyone else deserves to be out of business, but on the other hand, there's some real CIS crapheads who like to instigate buckets of fudge out there, too, so in support of that, I have to support the former as well. Small price to pay for a generally good rule to simply stop conflict.

But the question was "Does LGBT inject itself negatively into CIS-gendered existence", and I'd argue the extent that happens compared to vice versa seems awful mild.
Osiris
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25-Oct(#61)
Dustin wrote:
> No private business owner should EVER be forced to provide service to anyone. It's
> your business, if you don't like a certain group, it should be your prerogative.

i have seen people here make this point before, are we willing to have business not provide service to black people, or women, or other groups like this? It would be OK to have a sign in the window saying "no negroes or women will be served here"?
ninesalone
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25-Oct(#62)
Osiris wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> No private business owner should EVER be forced to provide service to anyone.
> It's
>> your business, if you don't like a certain group, it should be your prerogative.
>
> i have seen people here make this point before, are we willing to have business not
> provide service to black people, or women, or other groups like this? It would be
> OK to have a sign in the window saying "no negroes or women will be served here"?

Yes. Same as it would be for a black barbershop to refuse non-blacks. It's their business and they can run it as they please.
Feeb
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* 25-Oct(#63)
Never heard of them refusing. Most white people that need haircuts don't go to black barbers. There are a few obvious reasons for this.

Edit: it's not ok.
Osiris
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25-Oct(#64)
we really think that its normal to return to the "we don't serve your kind here" segregation days?
Dustin
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25-Oct(#65)
I like to think that in 2017, any business that treated people that way wouldn't remain in business very long. That's my reason for my opinion that no one should be forced to serve someone they don't want to. Sure, no one is forcing you to serve anyone, but just know that it likely won't be good for your business.
ninesalone
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* 25-Oct(#66)
Osiris wrote:
> we really think that its normal to return to the "we don't serve your kind here"
> segregation days?

If it's a public service, it's simply unacceptable. The only point I'm making is that the business owner has a right to associate with and do business with whoever he/she wants. He/she can refuse service for any arbitrary reason. The government cannot.

Discrimination doesn't pay. Cutting out large chunks of a potential customer base is bad business.
Feeb
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25-Oct(#67)
Federal law prohibits discrimination by private businesses.
DiamondDave
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25-Oct(#68)
Oh look at that, Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin.
Osiris
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25-Oct(#69)
next thing, have men here had encounters with women professionally or personally who told them they were sexist (any details on circumstances? ). or is there a more institutional vibe that you feel has labelled most men as sexist in outlook?

>> |>> Dustin wrote:
> |>> Every social issue over the past few years has basically told |>people that if
> you hold traditional family values, aren't |>"progressive" enough, are a Christian,
> or are a white male, that |>you're basically either racist, homophobic or sexist.
>
> If this is a widespread feeling among the white middle aged, it will be difficult
> to reconcile feelings like this with what the US is becoming even after Trump time.
Dustin
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25-Oct(#70)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Oh look at that, Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination by privately
> owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national
> origin.

Psshhhh. The 60s, please. Be more progressive than that!
DiamondDave
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* 25-Oct(#71)
I'll give it a shot: "prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, extraterrestrial status, sexual orientation, sexual identification, sexual kink or national origin"
Dustin
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25-Oct(#72)
DiamondDave wrote:
> I'll give it a shot: "prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public
> accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, extraterrestrial status,
> sexual orientation, sexual identification, sexual kink or national origin"

Does gender identity fall under sexual identification? If not then we definitely need to add that.
DiamondDave
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* 25-Oct(#73)
Better just to be sure. Let's add something regarding that nasty half-skullet hairdo crap going on lately as well.

I'll keep adding as things occur to me:

- Butter-Side Up/Down Status (aka Butter Battle Orientation)
- Xbox or Playstation Ownership
MikeyWhoa
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25-Oct(#74)
Christians are not spreading and indoctrinating as a reactionary tool. That's nonsense. It literally says to do so in the Bible.

From Mark:

And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

From Timothy:

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

It's impossible to measure exactly.
As far as groups that have tried to spread their beliefs unwarranted to me personally, in estimated order of frequency:

Various Evangelical Christian denominations (Baptists, Protestant, Etc)
Scientology (They're creepy and steadfast)
Democratic Party
Republican Party
Mormons
Jehovah's Witnesses
Catholics
Vegans/Vegetarians
Tea Party
NRA
PETA
KKK/White Supremacists (Only once during a demonstration).

Groups that have never tried to spread their beliefs/invited me to join personally:

Jewish
Buddhists
Muslims
LGBTQ
Satanists
Agnostics
Atheists

I'm sure there are more on both sides that are escaping me.


MikeyWhoa
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* 25-Oct(#75)
Any opinions on the Senate vote that eliminated consumer protections against big banks and credit cards? Especially in the midst of the Wells Fargo dilemma, and Equifax fiasco.

To pursue such cases, which typically involve small amounts of money, through arbitration, victims need to spend heavily on legal representation and hearings. As federal Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals once wrote in a ruling, "The realistic alternative to a class action is not 17 million individual suits, but zero individual suits, as only a lunatic or a fanatic sues for $30."

The vote was 50/50 with Pence casting the Aye tiebreaker. All Democrats voted no. Only two Republicans, GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and John Kennedy of Louisiana, voted against their party. Every other Senator, including libtard favorite John McCain, and Trump "hater" Jeff Flake sided with the banks. It's up to the Presidents desk next.

Are Trump supporters still convinced he's draining the swamp? Do you guys approve of these actions?

Scots
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25-Oct(#76)
Only Hillary and the DNC could be so horrible that Trump is the good guy today. A true accomplishment.
Karaiya
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25-Oct(#77)
Hold on, Ive never known black barbers not to cut white mens hair. It does happen. We don't turn down clientele. White men not going to a black barber and black dudes not going to white barbers becausr they may not be comfortable getting cut by the other race is one thing.
Karaiya
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25-Oct(#78)
On the Hillary thing, calm down.
ninesalone
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25-Oct(#79)
Karaiya wrote:
> Hold on, Ive never known black barbers not to cut white mens hair. It does happen.
> We don't turn down clientele. White men not going to a black barber and black dudes
> not going to white barbers becausr they may not be comfortable getting cut by the
> other race is one thing.

Welcome back man.

All I'm arguing is that they have the right to. I don't find it moral or a good business practice. If I drive 40mins to the north side of Flint, MI and walk into what I know is a predominantly black establishment and the owner tells me, "no white people," I'm shrugging and walking out... Not phoning the ACLU. I view it very similar to if he told me white people weren't allowed in his house. That's happened in my life on at least 3 occasions. My junior prom my date was a black girl and her father met me in his front yard and was not shy about his reason. Other times it was meeting up with foster brothers after we became adults. People can associate with whoever they like, however they like, for any reason.
Feeb
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25-Oct(#80)
"President Trump on Thursday defended his son's meeting with a Russian lawyer whom he believed had political dirt on Hillary Clinton -- calling it a normal practice during a U.S. presidential campaign.

"It's called opposition research, or even research into your opponent," Trump said at a joint news conference with French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris. "Politics is not the nicest business in the world, but it's very standard where they have information and you take the information."
Pres. Trump on Trump Jr.: "I think from a practical standpoint most people would have taken that meeting. It's called opposition research." pic.twitter.com/PVVadNtzWD
-- ABC News ( @ABC ) July 13, 2017"

Where's that guy that was complaining about hypocrites? He should like this one.

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