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Topic   Should we start a thread for the hollywood sex scandals?(pedo rings galore)

dracula
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9-Nov(#1)
It started with girls accusing Harvey Winestein, but in recent days we have been getting stories about the gay pedophilia in Hollywood with Kevin Spacey getting fired from House of Cards after multiple accusations from at the time, underage boys.

Corey feldman is accusing Charlie Sheen of raping a 12 year old Corey haim while on set.

There are plenty of other accusations in Hollywood lately, I don't know if any of you want to even have a conversation about it here. I am of the opinion is that it's always great to see the left eating their own. The gay pedophiles that are in position to run the media had been showing signs of attempting to normalize gay pedophilia and trying to sexualize underage boys. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4782440/Ro...

That overreach may take a back seat if we see evidence of a gay pedophile ring at the center of Hollywood that passes around underage boys.
MikeyWhoa
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* 10-Nov(#2)
I say yes. These people are disgusting and should be held accountable. Their careers should be ended. Then they should be shunned. Then they should hopefully be locked away.

Plus it would be a good centralized place to watch you guys continue to embrace and ignore the faults of the pedophiles and sexual assaulters on the right.

reneeatworld
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10-Nov(#3)
I am glad that people are finally speaking up against these sick things that have taken place, but I seriously wish all the accusers would've came forward sooner. I understand they were scared to lose their careers, but they could've helped prevent a lot of future victims by coming forward sooner. Now it seems like anybody can make any accusation, and society will automatically shun the accused, regardless of having proof that something terrible took place. At some point, I fear that will happen. Somebody down the line will make a false claim, and society will believe it, and an innocent person's career will be over. I understand that there are multiple accusations against numerous people, so it does add to the evidence, I just think at some point somebody will try to get in a lie toward an innocent person, knowing they don't need to prove anything.

Personally, I think it's shameful that a few actors or actresses have stated that they kept quiet because "they just wanted a career." It's a shame that many actors, directors, producers, etc, have said they heard open secrets, blah blah, blah, but nobody said anything. I do agree that the victims are the ones who needed to come out and tell their story, but I disagree with all these so-called "feminists" who have been actively fighting for equal pay, rights, etc, and claim they're strong and will not accept silence, and yet, many of them stayed silent until one person spoke out....then they all came out of the woodwork.
dracula
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10-Nov(#4)
Ehh. It should be on a case by case basis.

Here is one of the Spacey victims, he says he was obsessed with Spacey and seemed to be seeking some sort of relationship with him.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/kevin-spacey-allege...

It seems to contradict itself in the middle. He says he was in love with Kevin spacey and there to have sex with him. Then he says that Spacey tried to forcably rape him in the butt and he didn't want that. I'm reading this and like "huh?"

As for the Winestein women.

I don't get it really. His M.O was that he gets naked and has them watch him masturbate in the shower? Did he even have sex with any of those girls?

For what it's worth, Corey haim's mother is saying that it was not Charlie Sheen that raped her son but someone else.

All of these accusations should be on a case by case basis, some of them are more believable than others(if Weinstein's women were so disgusted with him, why did they keep making movies with him?

This video is interesting.

https://youtu.be/KCNvREKTnQc

The joke that Seth Macfarlane tells here is funny.

Interesting that he had the balls to tell it at the height of Harvey's power.

The look on Emma watson's face while Seth tells the joke is probably the same look she had while watching Harvey masturbate in the shower.

Really, if she was that uncomfortable watching Harvey masturbate, why not just leave?
DiamondDave
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10-Nov(#5)
reneeatworld wrote:
> I am glad that people are finally speaking up against these sick things that have
> taken place, but I seriously wish all the accusers would've came forward sooner.
> I understand they were scared to lose their careers, but they could've helped prevent
> a lot of future victims by coming forward sooner.

People were afraid of more than losing their jobs, as many have testified. These Hollywood guys have money and power, and were willing to literally terrorize these people to keep them quiet if necessary.
Karaiya
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10-Nov(#6)
Even kill
Grenadier
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10-Nov(#7)
Dracula's point about taking them case by case is well-taken. At this point, there's so many accusations flying that I have to wonder if any of them are from nutjobs trying to get revenge for real or imagined wrongs, or just trying to claim their 15 minutes of fame. Worse, that makes the real accusations harder to sort out and makes the next victim less likely to come forward. So case-by-case is definitely the way to go, as each case is going to have to be verified, and tried (if possible, see below) on its own merits.

Regrettably, a lot of these cases are so old that they can't be prosecuted. Apparently that's the case with most of the worst allegations against Spacey specifically, because they occurred in New York and the statute of limitations has run out. So the only justice that can be had for those cases is seeing his career ruined, which seems to have happened already. Aside from House of Cards being cancelled, his Netflix movie being pulled, there's now a report that Ridley Scott is reshooting Spacey's scenes in the already-completely filmed movie "All the Money in the World," coming out in December. Scott is replacing Spacey with Christopher Plummer and trying to reshoot the scenes in time to make his release date. Spacey's name has become cancer in the industry, and I suspect the same will happen with some of the others.

I see today that a bunch of Louis CK projects have been pulled/cancelled too, especially after he has now admitted the allegations are true in his case.
dracula
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10-Nov(#8)
I assume Louis will be able to do comedy assuming he can find venues willing to host him. He is on top of his game comedy wise and as big of a draw as any comedian. Some places will still likely want him to perform
DiamondDave
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10-Nov(#9)
I think Louis has the good sense to chill for a while.
thatonedude
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10-Nov(#10)
It's as if C.K. wanted to be outed. His latest movie, ' I Love You, Daddy', now being shelved, has a
scene with him openly masturbating in front of a person(s). A ton of his jokes over the years have overt references to the same.

As disgusting as the acts are, his response has been the most human. It seems he has made past attempts at apologizing. Still won't be able to watch any of his comedy for a long time, if ever.
Feeb
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10-Nov(#11)
Those comedians have dark minds. It's not surprising.
thatonedude
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10-Nov(#12)
For every 'dark' comedian, you have a Jim Gaffigan family values type.

Hot Pockets
dracula
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11-Nov(#13)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/george-t...

George takei is accused of drugging and trying to have sex with a male model back in the 1980s. Can't really say I'm too surprised but so far it is just one accusation

DiamondDave
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11-Nov(#14)
Iunno. After hearing his response, iunno.
dracula
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11-Nov(#15)
Well it's just one accusation, so far at least.
Karaiya
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11-Nov(#16)
Although I don't know George Takei at all other than respecting him as an actor, and I certainly hope this did not occur, sexual assault is so prevalent in the LGBTQ community especially amongst gay males. Many of these assaults go unreported actually mostly all of them. I certainly want to believe this allegation is untrue and hope it is.
dracula
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11-Nov(#17)
Look at the bright side for Takei, at least it wasn't anyone underage(so far)

Takei is in his 80s now, all he has to say is "I don't remember meeting him"(probably true, it's been 35 years and Takei meets thousands of people) and he just denies it ever happened.
DiamondDave
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ninesalone wrote:
>
> 12:08 to 15:55 WOW

This is good. Really strong.
Feeb
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11-Nov(#20)
Mommy issues.
dracula
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12-Nov(#21)
Oh my! The George Takei harassment has taken an interesting turn, this is just a few weeks ago on the Howard Stern show(before all of the outings and when Gay Hollywood actors were still a protected class.



http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-lif...
VETERAN Star Trek actor George Takei has vehemently denied allegations that he groped a male model during an encounter in the 1980s, insisting the alleged events "simply did not occur".

But in an interview with shock jock Howard Stern recorded just weeks ago, Takei appeared to admit that he had grabbed and groped people in the past, saying he did it to "persuade" people who were "afraid" to have a sexual encounter with him.

Former model Scott R. Brunton claimed in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter that he was 23 when he exchanged phone numbers with Takei at a bar, later visiting the actor's house for drinks.

He said he grew dizzy and "must have passed out," waking to his pants around his ankles and Takei groping him. He said he extricated himself and left.

"Right now it is a he said/he said situation, over alleged events nearly 40 years ago. But those that know me understand that non-consensual acts are so antithetical to my values and my practices, the very idea that someone would accuse me of this is quite personally painful," Takei tweeted in response to the allegations.

The Star Trek star makes regular appearances on radio heavyweight Stern's show, and recently chatted with Stern and co-host Robin Quivers in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein sexual assault scandal.

In a frequently explicit discussion, Stern asked Takei if he'd ever grabbed somebody "against their will" -- and the actor's response made the radio host joke that he might need to call the police.
Below is a transcript:

Howard Stern: Did you ever grab anybody by the ck against their will?
[Very long pause]
George Takei: Uhhhh ... uh oh! [laughter]
Stern: Well they were different times, you never sexually harassed anybody --
Takei: Hey bonor! [laughter]
Stern: -- have you?
Takei: [Laughter] ... Some people that are kind of, um, um, skittish. Or maybe, uh ... afraid. And you're trying to persuade. But, you know ...
Stern: Do we need to call the police? What are you saying, George? You never held a job over someone if they didn't touch your c
k?
Takei: No, no, no, no. I never did that. That's what this is all about. It's not about sex, it's about power.
Quivers: But you didn't do this grabbing at work?
Takei: Oh no, no, no. It was never at work. They came to my home.
Stern: Maybe it was some guy who was hesitating to have sex with you and you gave him a gentle squeeze on the balls or something?
Takei: ... More than gentle [laughter]. But it didn't involve power over the other.

In a series of tweet s responding to Burton's allegation over the weekend, Takei, 80, said that "The events he describes back in the 1980s simply did not occur, and I do not know why he has claimed them now. I have wracked my brain to ask if I remember Mr. Brunton, and I cannot say I do.


^ It looks like the Takei fans are pretty evenly split, some still support him, about half have turned on him after the harassment accusations...

At least it isn't anyone underage making the accusations, so far at least.
ninesalone
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13-Nov(#22)
dracula wrote:

> ^ It looks like the Takei fans are pretty evenly split, some still support him,
> about half have turned on him after the harassment accusations...

This is crazy. Such a standard has been set by these people to where if a supposed victim comes forward with an accusation, that's all it takes for them to be guilty. People have lost their careers, their education, their reputation... Some have gone as far to commit suicide. I think George Takei is a supreme ass and I would have to look hard to find some agreement with him in anything political. I still think he should have a right to defend himself and that people should have a standard for proof that goes a little further than an accusation. The irony is these PC virtue signalers in Hollywood are largely responsible for pushing the 'listen and believe' nonsense.

A lot of these people coming forward are brave and we should listen to them. That should start an investigation, not a sentencing. In some cases the evidence is so overwhelming or they admit it, then fine. But this he said/she said stuff deserves a hearing. I think more often than not people are choosing to believe the accuser depending on their preconception of the accused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ugLDl0kLY
Grenadier
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13-Nov(#23)
Takei's case seems different to me. There's only one accuser. Others that know him are rushing to say he's not capable of this. Compare that to Weinstein and Spacey where the first accusation led to others, and people that know them are telling tales of what butt-holes they are.
Karaiya
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13-Nov(#24)
Case by case you know. Although I agree with Nine sadly, many of the accused have had a history of this behavior. All you can do is protect and support the victim and respect the rights of the accused.
dracula
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13-Nov(#25)
And things just got weird. They will get a lot weirder. Allison Mack was apparently second in command of a hollywood sex cult

And Kristen Kruek was a member, so much for her being a girl next door

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5063683/Fo...

An actress from the hit series Smallville has been accused of being second in command of a 'sex cult' which forces women to go starvation diets.

Allison Mack, most famous for playing Chloe Sullivan on Smallville from 2001 until 2011, has been named by the Daily Mail as the head of an alleged secret sorority within the notorious 'self-help' organisation NXIVM.

An item on the website Blind Gossip alleged back in June that an actress recruits new members in an organisation that holds self-improvement workshops, with the members reportedly being inducted into 'sex slavery pyramid schemes' and being branded.

The New York Times published a piece last week on the organisation NXIVM, with former members alleging that they were branded with the intials of 'Vanguard' Keith Raniere.
DiamondDave
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13-Nov(#26)
Guess I can't jerk off to Smallville anymore.

Well, maybe not! Lois should still be fair game. For the moment...
dracula
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The Allison Mack cult sounds like an offshoot of sceintology

EDIT
I just had a few thoughts about all of these celebrity sex scandals. Let's assume all of the accusations are true,(a dangerous assumption but bear with me). In almost all of the cases, whether it's Harvey Winestien, Louis CK, George Takei, whoever: the celeb gave zero thought to the person they were with, after getting them to either a hotel or apartment or whatever, and just jumped straight to getting naked.

Takei met his guy in a gay bar(allegedly), before getting him back to his apartment, where the kid goes unconscious and wakes up

Harvey Weinstein gets the girls back to his hotel room where he immediately gets naked and masturbates in the shower while looking at the girls and then kicks them out.

If they had escalated as normal (making out, heavy petting, carrying them to the bed, then getting naked and fudging) they would have been fine. In ALL of these cases, they just skip to getting naked or getting their target naked with zero buildup, which is shocking and traumatizing.

All of the victims were willingly going to the celeb's apartment or hotel room, they wanted to be there, but then the odd behavior from the celeb was too much for them.
dracula
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14-Nov(#28)
Scots
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16-Nov(#29)
Al Franken the latest accused. Women says he forcibly kissed her and stuck his tongue in her mouth backstage at a USO tour show, and there's a picture of him "honking" her breasts while she was asleep.

http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-s...
whitefire
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16-Nov(#30)
That's crazy. This is such a widespread issue. I wonder if it's really always been this bad, but just now, women are coming forward. Some people feel like women are just jumping on the bandwagon for attention. Others seem to feel that it is more a strength in numbers situation, where women are finally feeling more comfortable to tell their stories. There's such a divergence of opinion on this whole thing.

Feeb
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16-Nov(#31)
I think it's been "business as usual" until a few people emboldened the masses to speak out.
Scots
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16-Nov(#32)
Franken statement:

"I certainly don't remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann. As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn't. I shouldn't have done it."

He's gone the half-apology route, saying sorry while questioning her account of the story. Also leaned on the humor angle for his actions in the picture.
ninesalone
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16-Nov(#33)
Excellent commentary on the selective outrage surrounding the Roy Moore allegations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk6ci1xzxuQ&t=0s
DiamondDave
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* 16-Nov(#34)
What the fudge is this though

What is this insistence on deflecting when something terrible happens? It's a huge tool of Donald Trump and his camp lately. Is the answer to selective outrage to have NO standards whatsoever? When someone does something absolutely crapty, it's not "That guy needs to get the fudge out because he's gross", it's "FORGET THAT, WHY AREN'T WE LOOKING AT THESE GUYS". Because we're not, it's this guy who did something scummy, and the next time someone else does it we should treat them equally.

The answer is NOT to simply say "Well, you didn't care about this guy, so let's give Roy Moore a free pass and vote for him this coming election". That's fudging disgusting. And it happens with EVERY FUDGING CONTROVERSY lately.
Feeb
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* 16-Nov(#35)
He's guilty. Just like all the others who are not apologizing most likely are as well.

This one is bigger because I've heard some presidential aspirations. I don't see this affecting that too heavily in today's climate, sadly.
whitefire
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16-Nov(#36)
Feeb wrote:
> He's guilty. Just like all the others who are not apologizing most likely are as
> well.
>
> This one is bigger because I've heard some presidential aspirations. I don't see
> this affecting that too heavily in today's climate, sadly.

When you say, "he," you mean Moore or Franken?

ninesalone
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16-Nov(#37)
DiamondDave wrote:
> What the fudge is this though
>
> What is this insistence on deflecting when something terrible happens? It's a huge
> tool of Donald Trump and his camp lately. Is the answer to selective outrage to
> have NO standards whatsoever? When someone does something absolutely crapty, it's
> not "That guy needs to get the fudge out because he's gross", it's "FORGET THAT, WHY
> AREN'T WE LOOKING AT THESE GUYS". Because we're not, it's this guy who did something
> scummy, and the next time someone else does it we should treat them equally.
>
> The answer is NOT to simply say "Well, you didn't care about this guy, so let's give
> Roy Moore a free pass and vote for him this coming election". That's fudging disgusting.
> And it happens with EVERY FUDGING CONTROVERSY lately.

Listen/Watch the video. You're way off.
DiamondDave
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ninesalone wrote:
>
> Listen/Watch the video. You're way off.

I'm actually about to soon as I finish something real quick. I'm sure it's a good video, this guy does some good stuff, but whenever I hear people talk about "selective outrage" on topics like Roger Moore and Donald Trump and Co, my kettle boils over. I'm so sick of people pointing out all these other instances where we didn't give a fudge, still don't give a fudge, because it's diversionary bullcrap. That's not the topic, THIS is. Anyways, done ranting. Will watch soon.

(lol, 20 seconds in and I'm like "OH, haha")
Feeb
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16-Nov(#39)
whitefire wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> He's guilty. Just like all the others who are not apologizing most likely are
> as
>> well.
>>
>> This one is bigger because I've heard some presidential aspirations. I don't see
>> this affecting that too heavily in today's climate, sadly.
>
> When you say, "he," you mean Moore or Franken?
>
>

Most likely both of them. The difference is the left has this "self devouring" attitude in which they go with the clear facts and take action were as the right rallies around and pretends injustices while fighting til the death.

Reflects in most of what they do.
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DiamondDave wrote:
> ninesalone wrote:
>>
>> Listen/Watch the video. You're way off.
>
> I'm actually about to soon as I finish something real quick. I'm sure it's a good
> video, this guy does some good stuff, but whenever I hear people talk about "selective
> outrage" on topics like Roger Moore and Donald Trump and Co, my kettle boils over.
> I'm so sick of people pointing out all these other instances where we didn't give
> a fudge, still don't give a fudge, because it's diversionary bullcrap. That's not
> the topic, THIS is. Anyways, done ranting. Will watch soon.
>
> (lol, 20 seconds in and I'm like "OH, haha")

Dont you dare bring Bond into this Dave you bastard.
DiamondDave
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* 16-Nov(#41)
DiamondDave wrote:
> ninesalone wrote:
>>
>> Listen/Watch the video. You're way off.
>
> I'm actually about to soon as I finish something real quick. I'm sure it's a good
> video, this guy does some good stuff, but whenever I hear people talk about "selective
> outrage" on topics like Roger Moore and Donald Trump and Co, my kettle boils over.
> I'm so sick of people pointing out all these other instances where we didn't give
> a fudge, still don't give a fudge, because it's diversionary bullcrap. That's not
> the topic, THIS is. Anyways, done ranting. Will watch soon.
>
> (lol, 20 seconds in and I'm like "OH, haha")

No, wait Nines, I'm 6 minutes in and that's PRECISELY what he's doing so far. "Oh, you care about this, send me proof about how much you cared about these other guys", actually invoking Weiner who WAS extensively covered by the MSM. So far I'm disappoint. I've laughed a few times because he's had good points, but now we're ...deflecting... again, abandoning morals in lieu of an explanation. Why are you asking me about this, WHY AREN'T YOU ANGRY ABOUT THIS AND THAT INSTEAD. Because that's not what we're talking about now, probably!

Do I think Clinton should still be doing fundraisers and handing out awards, absolutely not, but he has nothing to do with who we're talking about, I feel like I need to snap my fingers to get people to focus sometimes. That line "If they play the game better, they get to win" was good though, Trump may have been playing against a retarded cripple but he certainly played the game just fine during elections, and that's why he won. And the Republican response to the allegations has been atrocious on almost every front.

I agree with his closing statements and general sentiments though, the MSM's certainly taking advantage of the situation. All these retard Republicans had to do when they were trapped by these Twitter moguls was to hang up the phone, and they couldn't. They just had to justify crap.
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* 16-Nov(#42)
Feeb wrote:
> whitefire wrote:
>> Feeb wrote:
> |>> He's guilty. Just like all the others who are not apologizing most likely are
>> as
> |>> well.
> |>>
> |>> This one is bigger because I've heard some presidential aspirations. I don't
> see
> |>> this affecting that too heavily in today's climate, sadly.
>>
>> When you say, "he," you mean Moore or Franken?
>>
>>
>
> Most likely both of them. The difference is the left has this "self devouring" attitude
> in which they go with the clear facts and take action were as the right rallies around
> and pretends injustices while fighting til the death.
>
> Reflects in most of what they do.

Case in point:

Franken agreed to ethics probe into himself.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/al-franken-agrees-to...
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MikeyWhoa
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Scots wrote:
> Al Franken the latest accused. Women says he forcibly kissed her and stuck his tongue
> in her mouth backstage at a USO tour show, and there's a picture of him "honking"
> her breasts while she was asleep.
>


Franken - "Grab 'em by the titty"

Trump - "Grab 'em by the pussy"

This is the political divide.

Both men should go.


Scots
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16-Nov(#45)
Well, you won't even catch me saying Trump is not probably a scumbag too, but that particular comparison is not a good one.
MikeyWhoa
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Scots wrote:
> Well, you won't even catch me saying Trump is not probably a scumbag too, but that
> particular comparison is not a good one.


You are right. Franken only has about 10% of the allegations the President does.


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16-Nov(#47)
Roy Moore and President Trump are both innocent. Both were accused right before winning their election (Moore will win). None of the accusations stand up to basic scrutiny. Sorry. You don't get to play the moral equivalency game with obvious political attacks vs obvious pedos in Hollywood and on the left.

And before you say I'm playing partisan games, Takei is likely innocent too and I'm not sure I buy this Franken stuff either, though haven't looked into it at great extent. Not buying that he is some lewd pervert because of that photo. I think the vast majority hear these accusations and rush to signal to everyone how virtuous they are by shaming the accused. Look into this stuff yourself. False allegations are not exactly rare. Also, there is a huge difference between naughty language, touching someone's knee, and raping them. Enough with the moral preening.
Scots
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16-Nov(#48)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Scots wrote:
>> Well, you won't even catch me saying Trump is not probably a scumbag too, but
> that
>> particular comparison is not a good one.
>
>
> You are right. Franken only has about 10% of the allegations the President does.

That may be. I was talking about the specific comparison you made, which was not a good one.
MikeyWhoa
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16-Nov(#49)
ninesalone wrote:
> Roy Moore and President Trump are both innocent. Both were accused right before winning
> their election (Moore will win). None of the accusations stand up to basic scrutiny.
> Sorry. You don't get to play the moral equivalency game with obvious political attacks
> vs obvious pedos in Hollywood and on the left.
>
> And before you say I'm playing partisan games, Takei is likely innocent too and I'm
> not sure I buy this Franken stuff either, though haven't looked into it at great
> extent. Not buying that he is some lewd pervert because of that photo. I think the
> vast majority hear these accusations and rush to signal to everyone how virtuous
> they are by shaming the accused. Look into this stuff yourself. False allegations
> are not exactly rare. Also, there is a huge difference between naughty language,
> touching someone's knee, and raping them. Enough with the moral preening.


You're way too matter of fact on innocence when it's truly impossible for us to know. Why are you so sure?

Also, I've read the r/The_Donald conspiracy theories. (Forged ROBO-SIGNATURES!) They all tend to agree with you. Why is the Trump supporting Moore accuser trying to bring down a Trump candidate if it's politically motivated?


Feeb
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* 16-Nov(#50)
ninesalone wrote:
> Roy Moore and President Trump are both innocent. Both were accused right before winning
> their election (Moore will win). None of the accusations stand up to basic scrutiny.
> Sorry. You don't get to play the moral equivalency game with obvious political attacks
> vs obvious pedos in Hollywood and on the left.
>
> And before you say I'm playing partisan games, Takei is likely innocent too and I'm
> not sure I buy this Franken stuff either, though haven't looked into it at great
> extent. Not buying that he is some lewd pervert because of that photo. I think the
> vast majority hear these accusations and rush to signal to everyone how virtuous
> they are by shaming the accused. Look into this stuff yourself. False allegations
> are not exactly rare. Also, there is a huge difference between naughty language,
> touching someone's knee, and raping them. Enough with the moral preening.

This post is ridiculous. Choosing which people to believe and being loud about it does not give you authority. Moral preening. Such irony.
ninesalone
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16-Nov(#51)
Never claimed to be an authority on it. I'm giving my perspective. I'm also not "choosing" which people to believe. I'm looking at them on a case-by-case basis.

In this climate, all it takes is an accusation to ruin someone. This bullcrap has to stop. We have to return to innocent until proven guilty.
Feeb
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* 16-Nov(#52)
So you decide that dozens of women are guilty of lying instead of some powerful men with questionable characters? That doesn't seem to be the impetus. If you mean in a legal sense, sure. That's why trump is still a free man.

MikeyWhoa
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16-Nov(#53)
ninesalone wrote:
> Never claimed to be an authority on it. I'm giving my perspective. I'm also not "choosing"
> which people to believe. I'm looking at them on a case-by-case basis.
>
> In this climate, all it takes is an accusation to ruin someone. This bullcrap has
> to stop. We have to return to innocent until proven guilty.


We haven't left "innocent until proven guilty". That's for the courts. I don't see Moore in a jail cell. He's free to live his life.

In politics, various accusations have always mattered to show the candidates character. Since unfortunately that matters most to people. This isn't new or sudden. We're not losing an important value. Courts of public opinions aren't actual courts. Moore is as innocent in the eyes of the law as Bill Clinton is.


KCPenguins
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16-Nov(#54)
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/16/politics/al-fra...

LOL... Fudge these dickbags. Prosecute Franken as a sexual predator as is demanded.
Feeb
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16-Nov(#55)
Most likely too late. It was 11 years ago. Looks like some of it happened on an aircraft.
KCPenguins
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16-Nov(#56)
Well at least ghtfo of MN as the political "truth". Has to be the most fudgeed up political state.
Feeb
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16-Nov(#57)
I have a feeling this thing is going to continue to snowball.
KCPenguins
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16-Nov(#58)
Yep.
KCPenguins
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16-Nov(#59)
Reading Franken's book titles over the past 20 years take on a whole meaning.
Feeb
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* 16-Nov(#60)
I always thought he was gay- not that it's a bad thing just that was in my mind.
Karaiya
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* 16-Nov(#61)
ninesalone wrote:
> Never claimed to be an authority on it. I'm giving my perspective. I'm also not "choosing"
> which people to believe. I'm looking at them on a case-by-case basis.
>
> In this climate, all it takes is an accusation to ruin someone. This bullcrap has
> to stop. We have to return to innocent until proven guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty is a part of the justice system. Not public opinion. Its never been a tool of public opinion and should never be. There is nothing to return to. No one here is going to court besides Weinstein. All will be held accountable by the public and the industry. However, they will remain free men.
Feeb
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16-Nov(#62)
I'd be scared if I was an older person habitually going into dressing rooms with young girls and judging their looks. Shut and lock that closet please!
KCPenguins
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16-Nov(#63)
Feeb wrote:
> I always thought he was gay- not that it's a bad thing just that was in my mind.
>


Married with children (during the time of the offense in the accusations). Doesn't mean anything as we know.
Karaiya
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17-Nov(#64)
So the President gave a thoughtful comment on Twitter today regarding Al Franken. The man who was caught public bragging about groping women.

"The Al Frankenstien picture is really bad, speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 while she sleeps? ....."

".And to think that just last week he was lecturing anyone who would listen about sexual harassment and respect for women. Lesley Stahl tape?"

He's also continued to be absolutely silent on Roy Moore.
Feeb
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17-Nov(#65)
I've only seen one pic.
Grenadier
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17-Nov(#66)
You'd think Donald "grab em by the pussy" Trump would be all for a little breast fondling as well, or that he would at least have the common sense not to get drawn into something that hits that close to home.

Oh wait. It's Trump. He doesn't do common sense.
Feeb
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* 17-Nov(#67)
I'm torn on that pic. The guy is a character in a situation I'm not too clear on and he's not actually groping her- looks like he's gesturing moreso. The intent per victim is to hurt her reputation. The intent in the pic is clearly bad humor. This one feels slippery. The crime being put on him is sexual assault. The definition of that crime seems to be very broad and we seem to be taking a "let's throw that in there too" attitude. It's a serious offense when it's genuine.

In describing that kiss she says at his urging she did consent but didn't expect what she got.

IMHO the lesson is try to think before you act regardless and he appears to be guilty. But are we saying his behavior is unbecoming of a memeber of the US Congress? There is clearly precedent on the highest level that locker room antics are ok...
DiamondDave
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17-Nov(#68)
It's just locker room groping.
Grenadier
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* 17-Nov(#69)
If he's not even touching her, is it even groping? Feeb's not the only one to suggest that his hands are not actually touching her in the photo, and I tend to agree. It looks like he is hovering over her without actually touching her. Poor taste in humor, certainly, but not rising to the level of actually assaulting her. Harassment? Sure. But not an actual assault.
Grenadier
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17-Nov(#70)
Just saw this. Yeah, I know some of you are allergic to Huff Post, but the bulk of this is tweets coming back at the President over his hypocrisy with the Franken story.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-al-fran...
DiamondDave
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17-Nov(#71)
Just gotta weigh in on everything, Donny-boy.
Karaiya
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17-Nov(#72)
Yeah, I read that as well. Strange he would comment as if Frankens wrong doings somehow absolve him or any other conservative of thiers. Not that Trump is conservative. Its more evidence of the level of sociopathy and cognitive dissonance he people like him and thier supporters suffer from.

As far as Franken goes, has he commited a crime? Perhaps not, has he done something wrong yes. He's now owning up to it abd will be held accountable. Plus Dems are unanimously condemning him for his behavior. Which is the correct cpurse of action. Should he have an investigation? Yes. Should he be expelled? I'm not sure.
Case by case.

Roy Moore has several accusers, no pictures or proof. Other then testimony from several women. However, there is also the age these people werw when these alleged situations took place which can be considered not only assault, but pedophilia.
He denies all of the accounts and my guess is that the voters of Alabama will still vote for him. He will be a Senator and will likely also face expulsion.

So the Senate, has two possible cases to deal with in the future. How they handle each could affect how the other is handled. A majority Republican Senate will push for expulsion for Franken. Unfortunate, but see you. In Moores case, most if not all at least verbally said he should pull out. So I assume Im confident they will expel him too when he wins the Alabama Senate which he will because it s fudging Alabama.

Which ever is first one will likely have an effect on the other in some fashion.
Feeb
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* 17-Nov(#73)
These guys predictably change their course of action once the voters speak. Look at Trump. The game is to make the people like you. The people are the ones who vote for you. No one else is of concern to them.

Karaiya
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* 17-Nov(#74)
Good point. Although if/whenRoy Moore is elected than the issue would be the voters of Alabama.

Secret ballots are akin to internet anonymity in that you can vote for a peice of crap and not actually have to be held accountable for voting for that piece of crap.

But if we had a perfect system we wouldnt be discussing this.

Osiris
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* 17-Nov(#75)
i think its up to the folks in Bama. I wont be a prick and discuss the population's wage, education and donor state levels compared to other states. Make good choices!
Karaiya
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17-Nov(#76)
Um, Roooolll Tide?
Feeb
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* 17-Nov(#77)
It's our fault for being more successful and progressing on from fossil fuels. It has nothing to do with spending more time in church every week than school.
dracula
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7:44pm(#78)
Charlie Rose from 60 minutes is the latest

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/charlie-ros...

I'm not really surprised.

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