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Topic   Final Fantasy VII Remake

MrBean
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* 11-Jun(#1)
Latest news

New trailer (thanks @JD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBpq_Jq7yn0


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Final Fantasy VII Remake details story, Cloud, Aerith, event scenes, battle system, and locations: https://gematsu.com/2019/06/final-fantasy-vii-rema...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df0YG3qfZ8E

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1st Class Edition (original thread)

Was hoping for something ... better, as they've previous released Play Arts Kai figures with Cloud on his bike (although I do regret selling my Cloud on Fenrir). That and it's a soft bundle. They're packing three items together. Should have been an epic Cloud vs. Sepiroth statue, but assumption is that they'll release a CE for part 2, part 3, and then a trilogy CE in which the badass stuff will be released. Sons a doges, they're gonna milk the holy hell out of this one and I'll be one of those idiots that will buy every version of each release.

Still, it's pretty awesome and pre-bought two!

https://store.na.square-enix-games.com/en_US/produ...

edit: Deluxe available at Amazon (https://amzn.com/B07SJ2P1XC) and Best Buy: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/final-fantasy-vii-rem...)
DefaultGen
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11-Jun(#2)
lol

tonymack21
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11-Jun(#3)
im expecting only chapter 1 gets a physical release that will serve as your physical piece and the subsequent chapters will all be DLC, thus making you buy each piece as you'll need save data from the previous to play it. this makes it where you cant just buy latter parts and they can sell all of them to each player. not sure why anyone would buy just the latter pieces but im sure they want to avoid that.

MrBean
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11-Jun(#4)
tonymack21 wrote:
> im expecting only chapter 1 gets a physical release that will serve as your physical
> piece and the subsequent chapters will all be DLC, thus making you buy each piece
> as you'll need save data from the previous to play it. this makes it where you cant
> just buy latter parts and they can sell all of them to each player. not sure why
> anyone would buy just the latter pieces but im sure they want to avoid that.
>
>

Tis a good theory, but ... I doubt it. There's far too much money to be made here.
tonymack21
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11-Jun(#5)
Maybe..but more money to be made selling collectors edition to a few or every chapter to everyone who plays. I guess we'll see...but I can't see them wanting people to be able to skip the early chapters.

MrBean
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11-Jun(#6)
I wonder how many they'll actually make ... kinda thought they would have sold out by now TBH, but this is such a big ticket item, they'll probably make a ton of them.
tonymack21
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11-Jun(#7)
ya i dont think it will be as limited as some, this is one of the biggest things they've done in years, maybe ever.

JD
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11-Jun(#8)
I'm calling it -

Part 2 with Tifa steelbook, Aerith statue
Part 3 with Aerith steelbook, Tifa statue
Part 4 with Cloud steelbook, Sephiroth statue

Complete Edition with full cast steelbook, Cloud vs Sephiroth statue

MrBean
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11-Jun(#9)
JD wrote:
> I'm calling it -
>
> Part 2 with Tifa steelbook, Aerith statue
> Part 3 with Aerith steelbook, Tifa statue
> Part 4 with Cloud steelbook, Sephiroth statue
>
> Complete Edition with full cast steelbook, Cloud vs Sephiroth statue
>
>

This, I can get behind!
tigg
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* 11-Jun(#10)
I'm so not ok with this, so you're telling me that it's presumed and almost a given at this point, that I have to buy part of a 22 year old game for more than it originally sold for in 1997, then possibly turn around and pay more for each installment to finish said 22 year old game?

I remember when the gaming community as a whole were eating companies like Capcom and EA alive for releasing unfinished games that were later finished through paid DLC, but for some reason it ok for this jyst because its THE FFVII? AND you have some paying 300+ for just one part,.....

Yeh I have purchased episodic games before, but they were never full gamed+ priced per episode.. and they aren't games that were 22 years old that I finished already.. I mean they story stays the same.. the same people die, the same people live, the same people win, the same people lose. Sure they possible added in aspects of advent children and possibly crisis core, expanded some stories, but it all turns out the same ..Sure it looks AWESOME, but FFVII was the turn based 3d rpg that changed how we looked at rpgs, now they turned it into a good looking modern looking game with ffxv -ish combat system.. it has become just another fan service final fantasy game that is nothing revolutionary, just make all the cloud and seph crap stick around all that much longer.

Pardon my rant, just don't see how anyone can go from hating releasing unfinished games and paying to get the finished, to OMG its ff7, heres 1600(quite literally if JD's prediction comes true) gimme that game I beat 22 years ago, I have to see if Cloud can survive............ Just my Opinion
dustin11
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11-Jun(#11)
They don't even know how many parts this game is going to be yet from what the guys at Square said today, it could be 4, could be 10. Thats absolute insanity. In a time when we're getting full remakes of classic games for usually around $40 new, this game has the balls the come out of the gates with a full $60 price tag for only one part of the game because......FF7. Nope, Won't ever support that pricing model because I don't want other companies getting any bright ideas. Just imagine if Nintendo came out with a remake of OoT and charged you $60 for the Deku tree portion of the game.

And the reason why this is 2 BDRs is probably because there are more cinematics than gameplay.
MrBean
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11-Jun(#12)
@tigg - Yes, take my momey.
Kommie
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12-Jun(#13)
@MrBean would probably buy a statue depicting the sex scene in Team America if one was made!
MrBean
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12-Jun(#14)
Kommie wrote:
> @MrBean would probably buy a statue depicting the sex scene in Team America if one
> was made!

Haha, now that would be awesome! Haha, haven't seen that movie in so long.
Boss
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12-Jun(#15)
MrBean wrote:
> Was hoping for something ... better, as they've previous released Play Arts Kai figures
> with Cloud on his bike (although I do regret selling my Cloud on Fenrir). That and
> it's a soft bundle. They're packing three items together. Should have been an epic
> Cloud vs. Sepiroth statue, but assumption is that they'll release a CE for part 2,
> part 3, and then a trilogy CE in which the badass stuff will be released. Sons a
> doges, they're gonna milk the holy hell out of this one and I'll be one of those
> idiots that will buy every version of each release.
>
> Still, it's pretty awesome and pre-bought two!
>
>


Please note, this is a soft bundle. The FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE Deluxe Edition contents are bundled separately from the Play Arts Kai Cloud Strife & Hardy Daytona.


No thanks.
tonymack21
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12-Jun(#16)
its not just the old game though, they are adding dozens.. like many dozens of hours of new content apparently... midgar was 5 hours in the original game... and now its 2 blu rays? they have taken 5 hours and made it the size of RD2? thats a crap load of content, fully voicing and adding some quests will add lots of hours by default but it really seems like this is much more than just a prettied up version of the game. i just hope they dont reimagine it to the point they remove all the charm trying to serious up everything. some of those bits were meant to be funny like the honey bee inn/don corneo and the slap fight on the cannon etc.

Kommie
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12-Jun(#17)
Did they really say that the first release were 2 Blu Ray discs? From what I gathered he said the entire full game would be 2. I could be wrong though.
Archer
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12-Jun(#18)
No, that isn't what he said. He said the game in full will be 2 blu ray discs. Not the first episode.
dustin11
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* 12-Jun(#19)
Probably chalk full of CGI's which eat up a ton of extra space. Its primarily why a lot of those older RPGs were multi-disc and why Square went with CD format over Nintendo and their cartridge system. I think they said that FF7 would have needed like 8 N64 carts because of the cut scenes.

Edit: People be spreading misinformation then because I've ben seeing a bunch of people saying that episode 1 is 2 BRDs.
Archer
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* 12-Jun(#20)
The exact words:

"Remaking FFVII has allowed us to dive much deeper into its world and its characters than ever before. The game design is optimized for this as well, and we anticipate two full blu ray disks worth of content for this as well. The first game (he says game, not episode) in this project (as in the two full bd's worth of content) expands on the story of midgar, and has become such an elaborate [thing], that it has become a stand alone game (again not episode) in its own right.".

He never says this one is 2 discs at any point. Just that the project is expected to be two full bd disc. That could mean that the midgar section, since its its own game now, will be 2 discs once all the episodes is out, maybe. Or that the entire thing when done will be.

Hearing and reading it again, makes me think that they broke each original disc up into its own game. And that each of those will be episodic. This sounds worse than ever before.
dustin11
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12-Jun(#21)
It doesn't really sound like they know WTF they're doing. They were also saying that they don't anticipate the next entry in this FF7 thing to be made any faster than the first one was, so if this is 4 part thing it may take them 12 years to finish.
Heavyd814life
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12-Jun(#22)
Archer wrote:
> Hearing and reading it again, makes me think that they broke each original disc up
> into its own game. And that each of those will be episodic. This sounds worse than
> ever before.

God help us if this is the case. Square really needs to do a better job of communicating things, but maybe they can't communicate things well because even they don't know how things will shake out. Imagine $60 a piece of 5-10 separate releases. My hype for the game has definitely gotten the best of me because with this level of uncertainty, I really shouldn't be preordering the game.

Archer
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12-Jun(#23)
Yeah they really need to be precise and communicate this better. And its clear they don't know what they are doing.

After that in an interview someone else working on he game said the thing releasing in March is 40 hours long. What? That doesn't sound like an "episode", that sounds like a full blown fudging game. What are they doing? Then someone else says it could be 4 to 10 parts? What? What is going on over there? Did they mean they turned this into FF13 when they said episodic? And its going to be 4-10 different full games based loosely on the original? Or what the fudge? Because this doesn't sound episodic? And how the fudge did you turn Midgar into 40 hours? What are you guys even doing? Does this have 30 hours of cgi cut-scenes now? The only thing we've seen about this are things that happen in the first 2-3 hours of the original game. How did they turn 5-7 hours into 40 hours? That is whole thing is infuriating to me.
dustin11
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12-Jun(#24)
This is only FF7 in name only at this point. It has the same locations and characters but its not even the same thing as the material that its based on. Why couldn't they have just given us a remade from the ground up FF7 game and not fumble the entire thing like they have done this far?
Archer
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12-Jun(#25)
Also to clarify, a BD is only 50GB. Most modern games would take 2 bd with all their day one patches. Most games are 80GB. Which probably explains why so many games have 30gb+ day one patches now. They don't want to make have the cost of two disc per physical release.

So thinking about that, this thing probably is 2 bd worth of content for midgar. Which means it is a full blown 40 hour game. But then wtf is even going on then. And why can't they just say what the fudge is going on.
dustin11
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12-Jun(#26)
Yeah, both Gears 4 and Quantum Break are well over 100gb, Forza 7 is 90-something, and Halo 5 is 99gb after 4k patches. I wonder if they just threw all "4K" textures for the pro version onto the disc and said: "look guys, 2 BRD....wooooooow, or game is going to be so big".
tonymack21
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* 12-Jun(#27)
2 BD's plus the inevitable patches.. it could be pretty big before its over. nothing releases without patches hardly these days, especially big games. it could be like rdr2 with an install disc and a play disc too.

Kommie
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12-Jun(#28)
Sekiro was 12gb.
Kommie
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12-Jun(#29)
tonymack21 wrote:
> 2 BD's plus the inevitable patches.. it could be pretty big before its over. nothing
> releases without patches. it could be like rdr2 with an install disc and a play
> disc too.
>
>

RDR2 had 2 discs? Excuse my ignorance as I have 0% interest in that game but, really, 2 discs?
tonymack21
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* 12-Jun(#30)
yes, it was a pretty big.

(rdr2 is suuuuuper good too)

Kommie
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12-Jun(#31)
Your lies won't make me play it, the first one was awful and I certainly won't waste time with the second.
Heavyd814life
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12-Jun(#32)
The actual worst thing about this whole situation is that Nomura is directing the game. It doesn't feel good to say this, but the dude is honestly pretty bad at his job. And the fact that he has such a crapty support system at Square makes it so much worse. I really hope guys like Kitase are VERY hands-on with the project because we could legit be here in 10 years still waiting for part 2 or episode 2 or whatever the hell they are calling it.

It's all so worrying, but I really, really like what they've shown of the game so I'm trying to stay optimistic. I don't remember the last time footage from a game gave me chills the way that E3 presentation did. But all the question marks makes it impossible not to worry.

tonymack21
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12-Jun(#33)
Kommie wrote:
> Your lies won't make me play it, the first one was awful and I certainly won't waste
> time with the second.

I didn't particularly like the first one. 2 is a top ten or twelve ever for me.

tonymack21
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12-Jun(#34)
Heavyd814life wrote:
> The actual worst thing about this whole situation is that Nomura is directing the
> game. It doesn't feel good to say this, but the dude is honestly pretty bad at his
> job. And the fact that he has such a crapty support system at Square makes it so
> much worse. I really hope guys like Kitase are VERY hands-on with the project because
> we could legit be here in 10 years still waiting for part 2 or episode 2 or whatever
> the hell they are calling it.
>
> It's all so worrying, but I really, really like what they've shown of the game so
> I'm trying to stay optimistic. I don't remember the last time footage from a game
> gave me chills the way that E3 presentation did. But all the question marks makes
> it impossible not to worry.
>
>


I wish kitase was directing it himself..but hopefully he's keep nomura on a short leash. He's a great artist. He's designed some of my favorite characters ever. But he isn't a director or project lead. If they can put a good team around him that can work in spite of him we may be ok


Kitase said he doesn't believe development of future chapters will be dramatically shorter..but squeenix did release a statement in response saying it should be more efficient now that characters and other things are done..but environments will take time...so it seems like we shouldn't be expecting them tooooo close together.

NFERNO
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13-Jun(#35)
I never liked this idea from the moment I first heard about it. FF7 was perfect the way it was, and playing an altered version of it with new "paint" on it doesn't appeal to me. I watched the E3 presentation of it, and couldn't understand all the cheering for it, but then when it showed anyone in the the audience, they were 25 and under, so that explained it. They weren't there in '97, playing long long hours on their Playstation because they were awed and blown away by what Final Fantasy 7 was. They'll be happy playing Final Fantasy in Kingdom Hearts style, which is what it reminded me of.
tonymack21
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13-Jun(#36)
its true they will never understand. anyone from past that era looks at it and sees a very dated game, from the gameplay to the graphics etc.. my kids were born in 06/07, they dont fully understand why i get the way i do when i play it, or why i cry EVERY time at the end of advent children. if you werent there you cant understand what ff7 was and how revolutionary it was and how in awe we were.

that said, the idea of playing a game that real looking in that setting, was something we could have only imagined, it looks better than the pre-rendered scenes in the original, we used to think what if the whole game looked like that, and now it does and more. there is a lot of nostalgia there for those characters and the original game but im definitely all in on playing it.

proudtobelatino
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15-Jun(#37)
NFERNO wrote:
> I never liked this idea from the moment I first heard about it. FF7 was perfect the
> way it was, and playing an altered version of it with new "paint" on it doesn't appeal
> to me. I watched the E3 presentation of it, and couldn't understand all the cheering
> for it, but then when it showed anyone in the the audience, they were 25 and under,
> so that explained it. They weren't there in '97, playing long long hours on their
> Playstation because they were awed and blown away by what Final Fantasy 7 was. They'll
> be happy playing Final Fantasy in Kingdom Hearts style, which is what it reminded
> me of.

Yeah unfortunately this is what they do most of the times to the old games that i like. Anyway i stopped caring for this release a long time ago when i heard they are not making it turn based, i knew the game would end up like this.
proudtobelatino
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15-Jun(#38)
also the way they are selling this game is ridiculous. seems more like Final Fantasy VII Remake- Bend over and get #@$%ed Edition lol whats the total price for the full game going to be? anybody know?
Archer
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15-Jun(#39)
proudtobelatino wrote:
> also the way they are selling this game is ridiculous. seems more like Final Fantasy
> VII Remake- Bend over and get #@$%ed Edition lol whats the total price for the full
> game going to be? anybody know?

No, because we don't know how many games its going to end up being. Because they don't know.
tigg
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15-Jun(#40)
proudtobelatino wrote:
> also the way they are selling this game is ridiculous. seems more like Final Fantasy
> VII Remake- Bend over and get #@$%ed Edition lol whats the total price for the full
> game going to be? anybody know?
No one knows, because SE is being tight lipped about the pricing system, whether each release will be full price and even atm they don't know how many releases it will be, but it's looking more and more to be a FF xiii situation so looking at 100s I see at least 4 installments at 50 each in the cheapest so probably 200+
proudtobelatino
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15-Jun(#41)
Archer wrote:
> proudtobelatino wrote:
>> also the way they are selling this game is ridiculous. seems more like Final
> Fantasy
>> VII Remake- Bend over and get #@$%ed Edition lol whats the total price for the
> full
>> game going to be? anybody know?
>
> No, because we don't know how many games its going to end up being. Because they
> don't know.

lol what a mess. Hey maybe this is their way of adding micro transactions without going back on what they said a few years ago.

Topic   Final Fantasy VII Remake