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Ha, well, news to me ... I played TL1 and 2, didn't even know there was a third.

It wasn't really advertised because It wasn't really supposed to be TL3 at all; at some point they scrapped their work on TL3, retooled this game to be TL-like and that's what it is now. TL-like TL3. It was heavily discounted very early (discounted right now in fact)

DarkFact wrote:

So, there's a legitimate campaign with a final boss and such?

Yeah, there's only one problem,

and I'm a big baby and have standards that aren't met. So basically even if you were pretty "meh" on D3's story and gameplay, suddenly it's gonna feel like some real deep crap. Because this was made to extract $25 from you while you're on the crapter at work and puts in the bare minimum to try and trick you into thinking this might be Diablo-like. There's just so many better choices in 2022, and most of them are very old. Old and better.

Haha @DarkFact is my hero reading these posts and ultimately giving me confidence to stay away from this turd factory (as I drunkenly launch it on my phone after not touching since release)

I bet if you're heavily intoxicated you might get more out of it actually. And you can blame yourself instead of the crap UI

Just don't slip and trip on that buy button after the first dungeon, it's an 800% value for ONLY a dollar! You'd be a fool NOT to buy it! Right??????? please dont break the dam

I was going to play, but I would rather not participate in a pay to win. I will wait for D4.

You really don't think D4 will be heavily pay to win?

But, but, they said the money shop will be anchored around cosmetics and eventually expansions! basically everything short of saying "I mean, no, you can't buy power in the cash shop" for some reason!

So many butt hurt gamers.

The D2, and basically every single MMOish ever, 3rd party market is on fire (and always has been). Blizzard caught flak with D3 for the RMAH, and feels like they can't shake it.

I made several thousand dollars off D2 back in the Day as a teenager, as did I on FFXIV and WoW. Everyone is cashing in, so why does Blizz get flak for it?

Many gamers are old, have kids and jobs, ultimately with little to no time that want to enjoy their random hour here and there. If I can spend a few bucks to cut down on dozens of hours of grind, absofudgeinlutely.

I'd rather I wasn't getting my chicken kicked around in PVP because someone wanted to flex their wallet on me. Call me weird. Busy Dad just seems like an excuse to me. He's enabling degenerate behavior, I'd kindly ask that he keeps his ass away from my videogames, but he makes Blizzard more money so I guess fudge me for wanting to buy a game once and be done with it, huh? I'm just butthurt :p

This is why I'm upset with how gaming is going man. Bad decisions affect everyone and set precedent.

DarkFact wrote:

You do know that. Um. Well. This may be a shocker. You don't have to play these games meant for pure monetization. Right?

@Kommie This is infecting everything, that's my point lol. When was Diablo about opening your wallet

Times are changing, old man. There is still the option to not play it.

I remember seeing Diablo on PC in Hastings back in the day.

I mean I don't have to do anything, I can just sit in a chair and stare at a wall

Kommie wrote:

I don't. The Console/PC versions have never been that way. This pay to win is typically with mobile games, and Diablo Immortal while can be played on a PC is primarily a mobile game. I mean pay to win. I don't mind cosmetics,

I know D3 had a RMAU but at least you could make money and spend it... I remember spending money but only from what I sold, none was out of pocket. I never got the crap they took for by it. I am Soley against the pay to win and that's why I won't play. Games that put it in can get fudgeed.

Unless D4 goes live service I don't see it follow a mobile game modle. There will be hell to pay if you have to shell out $60 for a game that is pay to win.

DarkFact wrote:

I mean in fairness, even in the original D2 days, eBay was huge for D2 paying to win. I made quite a bit of money back then. Basically any online game that has items you can buy/sell/trade, there's a market.

Hell, Edlen Ring has a big market!

It felt less insideous when the company wasn't designing the game to be paid into.

MrBean wrote:


But you also had to deal with duping. Had a few buddies that bought items went to collect and got duped... There was no recourse.

Act/Bliz have ever. Patented a way for players to be put in situations against pay to win players and encourage them to spend...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kotaku.com.au/201...


That is just crapty no matter how you slice it. if you are going to have pay to win then it needs to be separated from players that don't want to or make the odd transaction to support a game.

Oh totally agreed, but there's no stopping it. I don't know of a single MMO that doesn't have an in game or 3rd party market. They exist because there is a demand. Whether it's average Joe, a sweat shop, full time gamer, or the publisher... Someone is gonna make money off these games, forever.

I'm not ashamed to say that I spent money on in game crap/service on several MMO/MMORPGs in my time. I wish I had an abundance of time to play, but I don't. If spending a few bucks avoids hours or days of tedious bullcrap grind? Game on.

These games will never do away the need to grind and farm, so it's a never ending vicious cycle no matter what.

Still, I haven't seen enough of Immortal to understand the current beef. It sounds like it's legit, more of a paywall than a pay to win - which agreed, that's some crap.

Yet if it's kept in check, on a quality game that has no upfront or monthly cost, it's only fair as they aren't working for free. Developers are in demand more than ever, and they're yielding insane salaries. Gotta keep the workforce content to keep making more content.

You have people spending 50-100k on there accounts, yes it's there money and if they are dumb enough to spend that then I guess it's there money. I just don't care for the divide it causes. If someone enjoys PVP unless they have ungodly amounts of money to toss away they have no chance. I loved PVP in WoW, but never had an issue with 3rd party markets though most of there hear for PVP could not be bought unless you used a non PVP weapon or paid someone to farm it for you. But all the good stuff in wow at least was BoP and not BoE. But you could get it yourself if you put in the work, and they did make it easier as the game went on... In Immortal there are items you need to buy gear that you litterally cannot farm and have to buy. I largely stopped playing mobile games because they just so shady.. I just play PoGo now and spend a bit on a event pass now and then to support the game I play. If there is going to be pay to win, they need to be seperated from the others. A very small portion of gamers have the ability to spend 10k + on a game and these clowns the d to ruin the experience for others. That's why I stopped mobile gaming.

But I do see what your saying. Everything you can buy (except cosmetics) should be able to be had via in game grinding. I don't mind the grind, just don't make it insaneley difficult or locked behind a paywall.

I was a mad man with the grind (D2, FFXIV, WoW)... When I was young and had the time. No way that's possible now a day's.

I agree that you shouldn't be able to buy for PvP oriented stuff (if possible). Yet most games, don't think thats easily controllable. When they can control it per your WoW comment... People also pay sweat shops to simply log in and gear up their toon.

There's no way to stop it, and honestly, I wouldn't want them to. We all live different lives, to each their own in how they spend money and find joy in their free time.

Also, they've made $24 million already, supposedly? Holy crap!!! https://www.pcgamesn.com/diablo-immortal/microtran...

It gets super crapty. Even if you get a few grand in upgrading one of your gems up to rank 8 of 10, what you're not aware of is that you are NOW.... halfway done dumping gems into this one gem to upgrade it. Going rank 8 to 9 takes something like a THOUSAND gems, I don't even know what it takes to go from 9 to 10. But once you're there, they know they've got you... NOW you can slot gems INSIDE these gems. And rank those I'm assuming. But only specific gems insert into these "maxed" gems! The monetization for this game is so fudging slimeball.

And of course that's just one gem upgrade. So, probably best to just ignore PVP, you're just going to be feeding whales, and beat the story mode and fudge around in paragon for a bit and then call it good, it takes half a year free to play to get the same rewards a $25 rift run will get you in three minutes.

MrBean wrote:

That’s the issue though. The game then gets designed around getting you to spend that money. That’s why drop rates were to terrible at the start for d3 and the game suffered for it.

Shane12m wrote:

Fersrue but look at D2's drop rates ... They're even worse.

In the end, the consumer is always gonna get dicked over one way or another.

Stingy drop rates versus actually removing drop rates until you pay cash isn't in the same ballpark, it's not even the same sport. Pretty please with honey and sugar on top, do not equate the two or normalize this behavior.

DarkFact wrote:

Yah this sounds like a crapty ass pay wall then, f that, I will just skip it all together until/if they relax the stupidity. Plenty of other games to play.

Possibly a date for D4 soon...

https://insider-gaming.com/diablo-4-the-game-award...

That’s awesome! I love the Diablo games.

MrBean wrote:

Probably have to tack a year on to that date until the game hits its sweet spot after content updates/balance patches. I still wish they would throw console D3 on PC as a separate game. I love playing it with a controller, and it would be way more convenient to play on PC.

https://www.ign.com/articles/diablo-4-hands-on-pre...

"Ultimately, Diablo 4 feels like a massively plussed-up version of Diablo 2" This made my week.

Yeah everything i've been hearing is that Diablo 4 is far more like D2 then D3 which makes me excited. Still no way im buying it at launch, will wait and see reactions.

I'm definitely buying at launch! Hoping for a Collectors Edition.

Yeah. I’m buying this at launch as well. I love every Diablo game, and 2 was my favorite.

6.6.23 release date

should have delayed it til 2066 so it would be 6/6/66

Prebuys with perks available... Tempting, but hoping for a CE (have my D2 and d3 ce's).

https://diablo4.blizzard.com/en-us/#pre-purchase

MrBean wrote:

I looked at it as 6/6/(2*3)=6

Jfc... Another CE without a game.

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/70184-diabl...

brian9824 wrote:

They thought of you with the date chosen, 6/6/23

(2x3) =

They expect you to buy that many copies now.