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Lunar
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Let's Play Together! Game of the Month
Every month, RTT gets together and brainstorms two choices to vote as the Let's Play Together! Game of the Month.
Upon completion of the GotM, you will be rewarded with an Achievement Icon!
Let's play some awesome games together!

April 2018 Edition
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March 2018 Edition
Sega Saturn Galactic Attack
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February 2018 Edition
NEC TurboGrafx-16 Neutopia
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image - Bonus Icon: Beat The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

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new Thread Description
Wow, can't believe it's been more than a year since we started RTT. I feel like we have become a community of our own within GameTZ. We have our regulars and even some new comers. I hope 2018 brings us more like-minded retro gamers who will come here for a place of retro inspiration. When I started Retro Trade Thead (RTT), it was called "The Retro Trading Thread", kinda like how FB was "The Facebook", heh, I was just hoping for a group of retro gamers who share the passion and the thrill of collecting and playing Retro games. The result so far has exceeded my expectations and more. I am playing more retro games than ever and while my collecting is on and off, I know I have been enjoying more retro gaming in 2017 than my previous 5 years combined. I hope RTT members have similar experiences. 2018 will be an even better year, as we have established group events like RTT Secret Santa and our monthly Game of the Month, which is getting more popular as more people participate. I am hoping to bring RTT Podcast in 2018 where 2-3 RTT members will talk about monthly topics and other aspects of retro collecting.

Retro game buying and selling, collecting, playing, collectarding, upscaling, speedrunning....whatever your retro passion is, RTT will have a place for you and for everyone who participates in our discussions, whether occasionally or frequently, will continue to find value and fun in our thread.

Thank you for participating and making RTT the hottest topic every month in 2017!

Old Topic Description


This thread was originally created to encourage traders here at GTZ to do more trading, especially retro related stuff. It has turned into a lot more and I am so grateful to everyone who contributed to this thread and have kept it going for nearly 6 months now. I hope this thread will continue to thrive and everyone who reads/participates in this thread will gain some value or knowledge out of it.

We will still have Trade lists up here, though it's been a while since anyone updated. I encourage everyone to look over their lists and post updates.
There is also a section for gorgeous pictures of game rooms that active participants of this thread have shared. Feel free to share some pics of your collection or game room.
I will be adding another section for information regarding video quality of retro gaming systems on modern displays and how to improve them.
There is rather some extensive discussion regarding how to improve the display quality of retro gaming systems and if you are new to this like I am, you will find it very informative.

Old Old Topic Description


GTZ has become a marketplace where the most commonly traded commodity is PayPal. I want to start an effort to get some trades going and to discuss some good games perhaps you never heard of or interested in but want to discover/know more of. For example, I just got intto shmups after years of ignoring the genre and I love to discover new(to me) and rediscover old ones(Sonic Wings comes to mind).

No pressure here. Feel free to discuss anything retro. Perhaps throw out some WTTF targets and what you have to offer. I am sick of browsing people's year old Available lists.

Some examples:

- WTTF/WTB/LF
- What you think is awesome game/series/whatever
- Potential games you have up for trade
- Pics of what you have/what you would love to get/what you think is the bestest awesomest game ever
- Show off your latest finds/adds to your collection

3rd Generation: Nintendo Entertainment System Famicom Sega Master System Atari
4th Generation: Super Nintendo Super Famicom Sega Genesis Mega Drive (Japan) Sega CD Sega Mega CD NEC TurboGrafx-16 NEC PC Engine Neo Geo CD-i (Compact Disc Interactive)
5th Generation: PlayStation Sega Saturn Nintendo 64 3DO Sega 32X Virtual Boy Atari Jaguar NEC PC-FX
6th Generation: PlayStation 2 Sega Dreamcast Microsoft Xbox Nintendo GameCube
Handheld: PlayStation Portable Game Boy Game Boy Color Game Boy Advance Nintendo DS Game Gear Nokia N-Gage Atari Lynx

Info on Improving the Quality of Video Output For Retro Systems on Modern Displays
Coming Soon

In the meantime , check out:

My Experience with Upscaling (DVDO Processors)
https://www.youtube.com/user/mylifeingaming

Reference Links
http://retrorgb.com/
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/

Retro Resources
The PC Engine Bible
Neo Geo Master List
Famicom Game List

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NEC TurboGrafx-16 Neutopia - February 2018
Sega Genesis Streets of Rage - January 2018
Sega Mega Drive (Europe) Pulse Man - December 2017
Super Nintendo Mega Man X - November 2017
Nintendo Entertainment System Monster in My Pocket - October 2017
Nintendo Entertainment System Castlevania - September 2017
Nintendo Entertainment System Ninja Gaiden - August 2017


Games Beat in 2018
Lunar's Completed Games in 2018

Sega Mega Drive (Europe) Pulse Man (1-1-18)
Nintendo Switch Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challenge (2-5-18) as Ryu


Games Beat in 2017
Gypsy's Completed Games in 2017

PC Engine - Cyber Core, Download, PC Denjin, PC Genjin 3, Ranma 1/2 - Datō, Ganso Musabetsu Kakutō-ryū!, Ys IV, Outrun, Castlevania Rondo of Blood, Sapphire, Star Parodier, Vigilante
PC-FX - Zeroigar
NES - Super Mario Bros 3
SNES - Super Metroid
N64 - Banjo Kazooie
Gamecube - Fire Emblem Path of Radiance (hard mode)
Wii - Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
Wii U - Super Mario 3D World
Genesis - Sonic 2
Sega CD - Snatcher
32x - Doom 32x
Saturn - X-Men vs Street Fighter, Shining Force III, Crows: The Battle Action
Dreamcast - Giga Wing 2
PS1 - Wild Arms
PS2 - Homura, Psyvariar, XII Stag
PS3 -Trails of Cold Steel
PS4 - Caladrius Blaze, Uncharted 4, Yakuza 0, Yakuza Kiwami
Xbox - Dead Man's Hand
Xbox 360 - Bullet Soul, Bullet Soul Infinite Burst
GBA - Castlevania Aria of Sorrow
DS - Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow
3DS - Fire Emblem Awakening
PSP - Ys VII
Vita - Memories of Celceta
PC - Red Alert 2, The Witcher


Lunar's Completed Games in 2017

Sega CD Lords of Thunder (2-3-17)
PlayStation 2 Mushihimesama (2-15-17)
Sega Saturn X-Men vs. Street Fighter (2-17-17)
Neo Geo Sonic Wings 3 (4-17-17)
NEC PC Engine NEC CD-ROM 2 Red Alert (5-16-2017)
NEC PC Engine NEC CD-ROM 2 Seirei Senshi Spriggan (5-17-2017)
PlayStation Portable Neo Geo Heroes: Ultimate Shooting (5-19-2017)
Sega Saturn Street Fighter Alpha (6-3-2017) w/Ryu on 4 Stars
image Arcade Gears Wonder 3 (7-24-2017)
Nintendo Switch Kamiko (7-30-2017) w/Yamato
Nintendo Switch Kamiko (7-30-2017) w/Uzume
PlayStation 4 Root Letter (7-31-2017) Crossing Paths Ending
Nintendo Switch Kamiko (8-4-2017) w/Hinome
Super Famicom Ghost Sweeper Mikami (8-7-2017)
Super Famicom Final Fight (8-13-2017)
Nintendo Entertainment System Ninja Gaiden (8-14-2017) Clear Time - 1:27
Nintendo Entertainment System Contra (8-18-2017)
Nintendo Entertainment System Bucky O'Hare (8-18-2017)
PlayStation Bust-A-Groove (8-25-2017) w/Heat
Famicom Akumajou Dracula (9-10-2017)
Nintendo Entertainment System Shadow of the Ninja (9-15-2017)
Nintendo Entertainment System Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos (9-22-2017)
Nintendo Entertainment System Monster in my Pocket (10-6-2017)
Microsoft Xbox One Rare Replay - Battletoads Arcade (12-2-2017)
Nintendo Entertainment System Ninja Gaiden III: The Ancient Ship of Doom (12-2-2017)


razeak's Completed Games in 2017

Atari 2600 Junior - Alien 12/31/2017
Atari 5200 - Return of the Jedi: Death Star Battle 2/4/2017

Nintendo Entertainment System - Mega Man 4 3/4/17
Nintendo Entertainment System Toaster - Friday the 13th 10/13/17
Super Nintendo - Alien 3 12/30/2017
Nintendo 64 - Doom 64 11/11/17
Nintendo GameCube - Rampage: Total Destruction 2/4/2017
Nintendo Wii - Resident Evil 4 2/25/2017
Nintendo Wii U- Lego Dimensions 7/15/17
Nintendo Switch - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 3/29/17, Super Mario Odyssey, Arms

Sega Master System - Double Dragon 12/28/2017
Sega Genesis Model 1 - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 12/28/2017
Sega Genesis Model 2 - Streets of Rage 4/21/2017
Sega 32X - Doom 10/8/2017
Sega CD Model 2 - Keio Flying Squadron 11/23/2017
Sega Saturn - Vampire Hunter: Darkstalkers' Revenge 10/1/2017
Sega Dreamcast Sega Sports Edition - Sword of the Berserk: Gut's Rage 12/22/2017

PlayStation - Final Fantasy II 2/4/17
PlayStation 2 - Real Bout Fatal Fury 2: The Newcomers, Fire Pro Wrestling Returns, NeoGeo Battle Coliseum 12/23/2017
PlayStation 3 - Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 9/29/2017
PlayStation 4 - Dragon Quest Builders 1/28/17 Guilty Gear Revelator XRD

Microsoft Xbox - Castlevania: Curse of Darkness 9/3/2017
Microsoft Xbox 360 Star Wars Edition - Bioshock 8/12/17
Microsoft Xbox One - Gears of War Ultimate 7/28/17, Star Wars: Battlefront II

Game Boy - Castlevania: The Adventure 10/5/2017
Game Boy Advance SP Model - Sonic Advance 12/24/2017
Nintendo 3DS XL Model - Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow 10/1/2017

PlayStation Portable - Castlevania: Rondo of Blood 12/22/2017
PlayStation Vita - Gravity Rush 2/7/2017

PC / Windows - Brutal Doom 10/12/17

Arcade - Aliens: Extermination 1/26/2017, Jurassic Park Arcade


Retro Posters/Ads/Brochures - I love looking through these.


Retro Nostalgia - Random pics snapped from old magazines that really got my nostalgia flowing.


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Game Rooms
Antipop's Game Room

DefaultGen's Game Room

ErickRPG's Game Room

KiltedGunstar's Game Room

sharif's Game Room

Wheels314's Game Room






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Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#281)
tonymack21 wrote:
>
> lots of good ps3 rpgs in here... shameless auction plug
>
>

I placed some bids. cool smile
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#282)
sharif wrote:
> BleedingViolet wrote:
>>
>> What's silly is pretending popular opinion matters. If it did we might actually
> have
>> an actual president right now. Instead of whatever is actually going on in Washington
>> right now.
>>
>
> This is a video game popularity contest.
>
>
>

Yeah, that's literally what this is. It's just for funsies.
dunno001
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#283)
Gypsy wrote:
> tonymack21 wrote:
>>
>> lots of good ps3 rpgs in here... shameless auction plug
>
> I placed some bids. cool smile

I saw that. I didn't realize the Yakuza games had jumped so much; I figured if I got a game cheap, I could see what the series was about, but you definitely priced me out of them for sheer curiousity.

Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#284)
I already have them so if I win them they are going to be a gift to a friend I got into the series. I don't want Cold Steel 2 at market value but if I get it for $15 I'll be happy and play it.
DiamondDave
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
10-Mar(#285)
It's official, when eBay tells me "You can have 20% off ANYTHING ON THE SITE" my answer is "No thanks".
dunno001
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#286)
DiamondDave wrote:
> It's official, when eBay tells me "You can have 20% off ANYTHING ON THE SITE" my
> answer is "No thanks".

Then you have more control than I...

DiamondDave
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
10-Mar(#287)
It helped that I had about $50 in my account until this morning. Got a BIIIIT more this morning, but even so, can't think of anything big I'd use it on. Don't want any systems, no rush for a better monitor, I like my rig, headphones, keyboard, case... just doing okay!
DiamondDave
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
10-Mar(#288)
Briefly considered a 1070 Ti but honestly I'm fine waiting for one at MSRP.
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#289)
USPS rates have gone up AGAIN since after the start of the year. Wtf.
Dashey
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 1 Review
10-Mar(#290)
Call me delusional but i spent $350 on ebay with that 20% coupon yesterday on games and stuff for my car.

Lunar
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 850 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
10-Mar(#291)
Dashey wrote:
> Call me delusional but i spent $350 on ebay with that 20% coupon yesterday on games
> and stuff for my car.
>

Only $350? Amateur.

Dashey
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 350 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 1 Review
10-Mar(#292)
I would've bought more stuff but they went oos.

DefaultGen
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (7) Has Written 5 Reviews
* 10-Mar(#293)
Beat Galactic Attack on the last life of the last credit, no cheats cool smile I was ready to play it all day. I don't know what to do with myself now.

It is definitely worth locking on to multiple enemies for points before spamming lasers (and not dying early so your score isn't reset). The 3-4 extra lives you get via points are so precious.

Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#294)
DefaultGen wrote:
> Beat Galactic Attack on the last life of the last credit, no cheats cool smile I was ready
> to play it all day. I don't know what to do with myself now.
>

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DefaultGen wrote:
> It is definitely worth locking on to multiple enemies for points before spamming
> lasers (and not dying early so your score isn't reset). The 3-4 extra lives you get
> via points are so precious.
>
>

Yeah this.
Gredler
Double Gold Good Trader
10-Mar(#295)
Badass congrats DG!

DefaultGen
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (7) Has Written 5 Reviews
10-Mar(#296)
List of games that aren't very fun:
Layer Section II

Lunar
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 850 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
10-Mar(#297)
SO SMB3 wins or what?

Apparently March 10 is Mario Day.

Mar10...go figure

Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#298)
Lunar wrote:
> SO SMB3 wins or what?
>
> Apparently March 10 is Mario Day.
>
> Mar10...go figure
>
>

If you want to count, go nuts, doubtful we are seeing many more votes.
tonymack21
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 450 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews
10-Mar(#299)
BleedingViolet wrote:

>
> You're killing me Tony! You always have such good stuff in great brand newish condition.
> It WOULD be a shameless plug if you weren't doing us all a favor by letting us know
> about your stuff. My friend Duane has a PS4 so I'll probably try and bid on the MKXL
> if nothing else. If he doesn't have it already that is.

sounds good thanks!



JD wrote:

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>
> Son of dog lol
>
>


lol!!

Gypsy wrote:

>>
>
> I placed some bids. cool smile

thanks! some of this stuff i def wouldnt let go of, like the trails of cold steel, but im going to play them on pc probably if we dont get the ps4 ports in the west.


DefaultGen
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (7) Has Written 5 Reviews
10-Mar(#300)
Mark down Layer Section II as completed too no

Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#301)
DefaultGen wrote:
> Mark down Layer Section II as completed too no
>
>

I told you it was easy.
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
10-Mar(#302)
1. Mario 3 beats 3. Zelda 6-5

@Lunar and @BleedingViolet rejoice.

SNES bracket will be up tomorrow.
PlayYing
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader This user is on the site NOW (2 minutes ago)
10-Mar(#303)
Chrono trigger for wild card Chrono trigger for quarters, Chrono Trigger for semis Chrono trigger for finals.
DefaultGen
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (7) Has Written 5 Reviews
10-Mar(#304)
Gypsy wrote:
> 1. Mario 3 beats 3. Zelda 6-5

Super understandable, thanks.

DefaultGen
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (7) Has Written 5 Reviews
* 10-Mar(#305)
Gypsy wrote:
> DefaultGen wrote:
>> Mark down Layer Section II as completed too no
>>
>>
>
> I told you it was easy.

Not as easy as I would've liked. The Saturn version only gives you 5 credits by default. I bumped it all the way up to 8 because hell if I'm getting good at this game. It still took me 4 tries blasting through with max credits.

Lunar
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 850 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
10-Mar(#306)
Hey, Mario won on Mar10 day. What a mirakuru.

Mario games are soooo fun, every game is different and soooo sooo much fun. Not the same games at all.

BleedingViolet
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader
10-Mar(#307)
Lunar wrote:
> Hey, Mario won on Mar10 day. What a mirakuru.
>
> Mario games are soooo fun, every game is different and soooo sooo much fun. Not the
> same games at all.
>
>

This exactly! The first 3 on Nes alone all had different elements that make them worth playing to this day. It's pretty crazy there have been so many different Mario games in the main series and they still find new stuff to add to (for the most part anyways) keep the series amazing!

Lunar
GameTZ Gold Subscriber 850 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader
10-Mar(#308)
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