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Topic   4K TVs. OLED worth the extra $$$$?

Uppercat
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
* 23-Jun-2018(#1)
So I'm looking to purchase a 4K TV. I've narrowed it down to 4 TVs.

Vizio P Series 2018

LG B7A

Sony X900E

TCL R617

This is going to be in my bedroom. I keep my room fairly dark because I work third shift and sleep during the day. Mostly going to be used for games, movies/tv shows (streamed and blu ray). It seems like the biggest knock against the LEDs are the viewing angles, which I don't think is too big of a deal since this will be in a bedroom. The OLED runs the risk of burn in and doesn't get as bright as the LEDs.

So what should I go with? I prefer to go with a 65' set.
BucketofJustice
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23-Jun-2018(#2)
I just bought the 55" TCL R615 (the Best Buy variant of the 617) and returned it 2 days later because it was defective. Everything I've read says that it's impressive value for the money but there's a good chance you could get a defective one out of the box and I did. That's something to watch out for if you go that way. If you're spending about $1500 then honestly I wouldn't entertain Vizio. I've had a couple TVs crap out on me and a couple friends.

Honestly I'd go with the LG at that's price point. Because you're going to have great HDR, you already have consoles that can stream 4K HDR content better than the TV itself and since you're a gamer the response time and input lag is smaller than the Sony. And you've got more inputs.
pr0phet
Triple Gold Good Trader
23-Jun-2018(#3)
Do you honestly sit far enough away in a bedroom to appreciate a 65' tv?
dustin11
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23-Jun-2018(#4)
The OLED murders everything else on that list by a considerable margin. I have the B7, no burn in at all and I've been gaming on it since last November. Brightness isn't a concern either as the image actually appears brighter than other sets when displaying HDR because of the contrast when bright light is next to the perfect blacks only available on an OLED. I saw the B8 is on sale right now for $2300, pretty killer price for the newest OLED model. Its on ebay too which means that you'll probably avoid paying sales tax saving you how much ever the tax rate in your area is.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/253616294985?afepn=533725...
tonymack21
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* 23-Jun-2018(#5)
At the time I got my Samsung ks8000 OLED was still out of my price range..but at current prices the B7 for sure. What are you using for a living room primary tv? You'll likely find you like the OLED better and want it to be your primary

Uppercat
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
23-Jun-2018(#6)
Yeah I just have a cheap tv in the living room since I cut cable so this may end up in there eventually.

dustin11 wrote:
> The OLED murders everything else on that list by a considerable margin. I have the
> B7, no burn in at all and I've been gaming on it since last November. Brightness
> isn't a concern either as the image actually appears brighter than other sets when
> displaying HDR because of the contrast when bright light is next to the perfect blacks
> only available on an OLED. I saw the B8 is on sale right now for $2300, pretty killer
> price for the newest OLED model. Its on ebay too which means that you'll probably
> avoid paying sales tax saving you how much ever the tax rate in your area is.
>

I may just go with this. They also have the 55' for $1800. Are they a reputable seller?
dustin11
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23-Jun-2018(#7)
I bought mine off eBay, I can look later to see if it was same seller, but I received it in only a few days without issue.
Uppercat
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
24-Jun-2018(#8)
Yeah I'm leaning towards either the B7A or the C8 depending on what kind of deal I can get. Probably end up waiting and seeing what happens around the 4th of July. Although Wal-Mart has refurbished B7As for $1150. That's kind of tempting.
dustin11
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24-Jun-2018(#9)
I bought mine from this seller, which looks to be different:

https://www.ebay.com/usr/five-star-buy?_trksid=p20...

The B7 is an incredible TV but I would strongly suggest reading some reviews between the C8 and B7 to see if the increase in price is something you would care about. CNET has some really good TV reviews that are very indebth and offer some really good advice. OLEDs look good on the show room floor, but often times when they're at places loike Best Buy they won't look as good because their stores are so bright that the black levels o these sets begin to get washed out and don't look as good as they would if they were in your house.
AlphakirA
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* 25-Jun-2018(#10)
I personally had terrible luck with a M series Vizio and would never go back. It felt cheap despite it being a 'top tier' line of their brand. And I don't care how many times I've heard that they're good for what they are, but TCL is lower quality that is only good when you're on a budget.

That said, pay close attention to the "apps" at the bottom of RTings. One of them doesn't allow HDR on Amazon, the other on Youtube. Youtube has a TON of 4k HDR content that is completely free (mostly scenic nonsense, but I'm simple). For me that would be a dealbreaker.

edit: And regardless of which you get, buy it at Costco if possible. 2 year warranty + additional 2 years if you have their credit card. Plus no questions asked return within 90 days. My son used his magnetic train to 'draw' neat little designs all over it. I wasn't going to put up a fight if they said no, it was my fault. When I brought it in they returned it without even glancing at it. I've heard people doing the same with the Xbox Elite controller.
darkslime
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* 26-Jun-2018(#11)
they were trying to sell Samsung oled tvs at e3 at a combo booth with the military, and also hired soulja boy to hang out there and run push up contests, was weird
thegreatest
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 1 Review
26-Jun-2018(#12)
AlphakirA wrote:
> I personally had terrible luck with a M series Vizio and would never go back. It
> felt cheap despite it being a 'top tier' line of their brand. And I don't care how
> many times I've heard that they're good for what they are, but TCL is lower quality
> that is only good when you're on a budget.
>
> That said, pay close attention to the "apps" at the bottom of RTings. One of them
> doesn't allow HDR on Amazon, the other on Youtube. Youtube has a TON of 4k HDR content
> that is completely free (mostly scenic nonsense, but I'm simple). For me that would
> be a dealbreaker.
>
> edit: And regardless of which you get, buy it at Costco if possible. 2 year warranty
> + additional 2 years if you have their credit card. Plus no questions asked return
> within 90 days. My son used his magnetic train to 'draw' neat little designs all
> over it. I wasn't going to put up a fight if they said no, it was my fault. When
> I brought it in they returned it without even glancing at it. I've heard people doing
> the same with the Xbox Elite controller.

The Vizio M series is their mid range TV. P series is the top tier and from what I have read has a very high build quality. Especially the 2018 model.

I am on the fence on waiting for the OLEDs to come down a little bit more, or to drop the $1200 on the P series 65".
Sun
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26-Jun-2018(#13)
I have an 65" LG B7A that I paid $1399 for and it's been worth it.
Uppercat
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
26-Jun-2018(#14)
At this point it's pretty much down to the B7A and the C8 for me. Rtings still has the B7A as the best OLED. The only reasons to get the C8 seems to be Google Home/Amazon Alexa voice integration and improved motion fluidity. @dustin11 @Sun Have ya'll noticed a "lack of fluidity" in motion or anything funky in low framerate content?
dustin11
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26-Jun-2018(#15)
darkslime wrote:
> they were trying to sell Samsung oled tvs at e3 at a combo booth with the military,
> and also hired soulja boy to hang out there and run push up contests, was weird

Weird seeing as how Samsung doesn't make OLEDs.
darkslime
GameTZ Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
26-Jun-2018(#16)
dustin11 wrote:
> darkslime wrote:
>> they were trying to sell Samsung oled tvs at e3 at a combo booth with the military,
>> and also hired soulja boy to hang out there and run push up contests, was weird
>
> Weird seeing as how Samsung doesn't make OLEDs.
it was qled my bad
AlphakirA
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* 26-Jun-2018(#17)
@thegreatest Was that as of 3-4 years ago? I thought the P series was newish. Either way, I wouldn't trust a company where it's middle tier product is made like garbage. We're not even talking about 1 or 2 things that could be chalked up to a faulty competent, I'm talking dozens of minor 'cheapness' that was just baffling how much they skipped out on just spending a few pennies more AND faulty parts.
thegreatest
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 1 Review
26-Jun-2018(#18)
@AlphakirA I think the P series came out in 2014 but from my understanding Vizio has changed a lot in the last 3-4 years in terms of quality. They used to be a bargain TV brand like Hisense, Element, etc but now they are aiming towards a more premium product. You can see it with the new P series Quantum has their first real ultra high end set.
AlphakirA
GameTZ Subscriber 500 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (9) Has Written 1 Review
26-Jun-2018(#19)
Well, that's good to hear at least. Hopefully OP does the research on the specific models.
KillerKlown
Double Gold Good Trader
26-Jun-2018(#20)
You want OLED. I've been waiting for prices to drop. I hope to get one this winter on a good deal....

Regardless what you buy read up on input lag.... You want the lowest you can afford.
dustin11
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally
26-Jun-2018(#21)
input lag is low on OLEDs, I think in the low 20ms. If you care at all, the 2019 sets are supposed to support Freesync via HDMI 2.1. Thats supposed to be a pretty big deal with frame rate.

Topic   4K TVs. OLED worth the extra $$$$?