MrBean
* 5-Aug-2022(#1)I'm torn on what to do and have to make a decision quickly.
So I reserved a Lightning (on day 3) and didn't make the cut this year. So I caved, and put in for a 2022 Powerboost (Limited) about 5 months ago (with a Z plan - that is not a guarantee to be available to me next year). Just got notified that it'll be assembled near end of September (after 5 months of zero communication).
My lease was up 8 months ago (2018 Platinum with 44k miles - should end around 8k or more miles under lease); however, I kept extending monthly in waiting to trade in towards next one.
I'm sure I probably should have simply bought out the lease and sold open market (still can); however, with the fee's and hassle of buying then selling ... I was/am naively optimistic that my dealership will get me close enough to close the gap between private and trade-in with all the fee's managed. My dealership told me typically, that open market only makes sense if you can make > 7% of cost to cover all the fee's/tax/etc. when buying out the lease.
KBB is saying I should be somewhere between $42k to $50k for the value of my truck, yet I just tried out Carvana & Vroom and they both offered me $38k --- not great leverage to show the dealership!
I'm stuck in debate, and I have to crap or get of the pot really soon. A few questions/points:
- Do I wait out the Lightning and skip the Powerboost? The cost of gas seems to be coming down relatively quick, hope/assume it will continue to decline, but who knows!
- First gen of Ford's EV seems to be going well ... but 300 miles max, leaves for some anxiety (even though there's a ton of charging stations out there now), and you know their next gen they'll probably have a much longer distance.
- That damn Frunk, man I want that ... grocery shopping with kids/dogs in a truck, pain in the ass.
- No timeline as of now on when the '23 Lightning will even be available.
- Do I buy out my current lease and attempt to sell open market?
- I'm nervous about the payment on a Limited If I don't get a good offer on trade-in, probably overdid it here but got excited having a Z plan for the first time
Thanks for any/all feedback
MrBean
5-Aug-2022(#5)Finn wrote:> I pretty sure the max 300 miles range is under full load, and a lot better when not
> hauling/towing anything. Still, I get what you mean. Leasing an EV is crazy smart
> IMO the way battery tech is going and what we could be seeing in the next 5-10 years.
> I would love to get a lightning but there is also a complete lack of charging infrastructure
> here, I live in a oil town and it's that or nothing it seems. However we have seen
> a small shift, There are a couple of Tesla's and about 2-3 Mustang Mach E's and a
> few charging stations... but not enough to make me say that's enough to go get one.
> Hopefully soon.
>
> Though it's nice to see another person that see's the value in leasing.
>
>
Ugh, that sucks man, hopefully within a few years we'll see a lot more stations going in across the nation. There's a lot of charging stations popping up all around Northeast Ohio. We do like to hit the road though, and while I know it's probably a non-issue, the anxiety is real of "what-if".
I've never leased until I met my wife. This is going to be my 4th lease, and while it sucks having a never ending payment ... it's nice having something new, at a lower cost, every few years.
Totally agreed on leasing the EV, would be a poor decision to buy as it'll be immediately outdated. Yet, I just don't know when I'd actually get access to one - ideally/maybe next year? I can't find any hard facts on when the prebuys from 2022 will be available in 2023.
I'd hate to go buy this Powerboost now and then get the call "hey, your Lightning is ready!".
Also, we're hoping to move within a year, but if we're still here and I get the Lightning, It'd take a fair amount of effort to run a new power line to my garage for charging.
My gut says stick with the Powerboost, trade-in after 3 years, hope for a gen 2 Lightning. Yet, cost of vehicle, gas, cool factor ... all say wait a bit longer for the Lightning.
Scott
5-Aug-2022(#6)MrBean wrote:> Scott wrote:
>> This is the daily reminder of how loaded Bean is.
>
> Eh? That's not my intent and if so, I apologize. I wish I was loaded ...
I thought my joking was obvious, I was just messing with you buddy! You do seem to have a lot of mullah though.
MrBean
5-Aug-2022(#7)Scott wrote:> MrBean wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
> |>> This is the daily reminder of how loaded Bean is.
>>
>> Eh? That's not my intent and if so, I apologize. I wish I was loaded ...
>
> I thought my joking was obvious, I was just messing with you buddy! You do seem to
> have a lot of mullah though.
ha, we do well, but ... two kids and a stupid life style, leaves us always fighting against credit card debt. We just got everything paid off again a couple months ago and of course ... we resumed stupidity. Got some really cool stuff though
We splurged and got our kid a new "jeep" and my god he's in love with it, makes it worthwhile -
https://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&lo...Ahhh, the American Dream, always living in debt!
BlueJava
5-Aug-2022(#8)Scott wrote:> This is the daily reminder of how loaded Bean is.
Dude took a heavy loss on the GameStop fiasco, currently trying to buy a house (really damn nice ones), choosing between trucks and he's still going hard. I only experience this level of financial freedom in dollar general.
MrBean
5-Aug-2022(#9)BlueJava wrote:> Dude took a heavy loss on the GameStop fiasco, currently trying to buy a house (really
> damn nice ones), choosing between trucks and he's still going hard. I only experience
> this level of financial freedom in dollar general.
Thankfully, I got out of the GameStop fiasco relatively unscathed. In total I think I lost less than a grand tops. It's DOGE/SHIB that's currently fudging my day up (down around $15k, wompers!). I'm clearly a big dumb animal.
Man, Dollar General doesn't even sell stuff for a dollar anymore though do they?
Chad
5-Aug-2022(#10)Finn wrote:> I pretty sure the max 300 miles range is under full load, and a lot better when not
> hauling/towing anything.
Unfortunately not the case. There have been ongoing reports of people getting as low as 60 mile range with the extended range battery up to about 150 mile range with teh extended range while towing something significant (say 5000 pounds). It sounds like the lightning straight up sucks with campers/ horse trailers that give extra wind resistance, those are typically the numbers down in the 60-80 mile range.
I haven't seen similar tests for payload yet, but I bet with a 2000 pound payload, that 300 mile range would drop closer to 200.
IMO the lighting isn't yet there for the truck duties unless you know you'd never have to travel more than 100 miles round trip with a heavy trailer. If you are someone that buys trucks as a commuter, i'm sure the lightning will be one of the best on market. But if you need your truck to tow or haul frequently, I'd stick with ICE/hybrid.
Finn
5-Aug-2022(#11)Chad wrote:> Finn wrote:
>> I pretty sure the max 300 miles range is under full load, and a lot better when
> not
>> hauling/towing anything.
>
> Unfortunately not the case. There have been ongoing reports of people getting as
> low as 60 mile range with the extended range battery up to about 150 mile range with
> teh extended range while towing something significant (say 5000 pounds). It sounds
> like the lightning straight up sucks with campers/ horse trailers that give extra
> wind resistance, those are typically the numbers down in the 60-80 mile range.
>
> I haven't seen similar tests for payload yet, but I bet with a 2000 pound payload,
> that 300 mile range would drop closer to 200.
>
> IMO the lighting isn't yet there for the truck duties unless you know you'd never
> have to travel more than 100 miles round trip with a heavy trailer. If you are someone
> that buys trucks as a commuter, i'm sure the lightning will be one of the best on
> market. But if you need your truck to tow or haul frequently, I'd stick with ICE/hybrid.
oh damn that sucks.
Bishop
5-Aug-2022(#12)Powerboost, infrastructure and range isn't there yet for EV trucks. Easy.
MrBean
5-Aug-2022(#13)Chad wrote:> Finn wrote:
>> I pretty sure the max 300 miles range is under full load, and a lot better when
> not
>> hauling/towing anything.
>
> Unfortunately not the case. There have been ongoing reports of people getting as
> low as 60 mile range with the extended range battery up to about 150 mile range with
> teh extended range while towing something significant (say 5000 pounds). It sounds
> like the lightning straight up sucks with campers/ horse trailers that give extra
> wind resistance, those are typically the numbers down in the 60-80 mile range.
>
> I haven't seen similar tests for payload yet, but I bet with a 2000 pound payload,
> that 300 mile range would drop closer to 200.
>
> IMO the lighting isn't yet there for the truck duties unless you know you'd never
> have to travel more than 100 miles round trip with a heavy trailer. If you are someone
> that buys trucks as a commuter, i'm sure the lightning will be one of the best on
> market. But if you need your truck to tow or haul frequently, I'd stick with ICE/hybrid.
Wow, 60-150!? Jesus, that would be awful.
Well for now, we got rid of our trailer and went to an RV. So my truck (for now), won't be towing anything. So really it's more commuter (and not even that much as I've been working from home for 9 years now). I only put 40k miles on my truck after 3.5+ years.
Down the line, I want to get a trailer for some toys (quad/boat/etc.) which yeah ... I can't foresee this current gen being worth the time.
Chad
5-Aug-2022(#15)MrBean wrote:> Chad wrote:
>> Finn wrote:
> |>> I pretty sure the max 300 miles range is under full load, and a lot better when
>> not
> |>> hauling/towing anything.
>>
>> Unfortunately not the case. There have been ongoing reports of people getting
> as
>> low as 60 mile range with the extended range battery up to about 150 mile range
> with
>> teh extended range while towing something significant (say 5000 pounds). It sounds
>> like the lightning straight up sucks with campers/ horse trailers that give extra
>> wind resistance, those are typically the numbers down in the 60-80 mile range.
>>
>> I haven't seen similar tests for payload yet, but I bet with a 2000 pound payload,
>> that 300 mile range would drop closer to 200.
>>
>> IMO the lighting isn't yet there for the truck duties unless you know you'd never
>> have to travel more than 100 miles round trip with a heavy trailer. If you are
> someone
>> that buys trucks as a commuter, i'm sure the lightning will be one of the best
> on
>> market. But if you need your truck to tow or haul frequently, I'd stick with ICE/hybrid.
>
> Wow, 60-150!? Jesus, that would be awful.
>
> Well for now, we got rid of our trailer and went to an RV. So my truck (for now),
> won't be towing anything. So really it's more commuter (and not even that much as
> I've been working from home for 9 years now). I only put 40k miles on my truck after
> 3.5+ years.
>
> Down the line, I want to get a trailer for some toys (quad/boat/etc.) which yeah
> ... I can't foresee this current gen being worth the time.
>
>
I'm not sure how much credence to put into the lower numbers. The ones that go into details it tends to be stuff like they were towing a 9500 pound horse trailer while driving up the continental divide and passing people at 120 mph. Like I think they were able to achieve the numbers but were trying to get a bad of results as possible.
The numbers coming in from like 120-200 are the ones that sound most realistic. real life conditions.
BlueJava
5-Aug-2022(#16)MrBean wrote:> Man, Dollar General doesn't even sell stuff for a dollar anymore though do they?
I only go there to get their version of angel soft toilet paper because it pairs well with my butt and my septic. Nothing in the store is a dollar and if it is it's downsized so much people are overpaying per ounce. I've noticed people going in there buying grocery carts full of stuff and are outside re-bagging everything for their walk or bike ride home. It seems like people maybe shopping there instead of grocery stores. The quality is way worse but you do what you have to.
razeak
6-Aug-2022(#17)Is it the first year of these models? Never buy first year. 2nd year should have refinements and bug fixes in place.
MrBean
6-Aug-2022(#18)razeak wrote:> Is it the first year of these models? Never buy first year. 2nd year should have
> refinements and bug fixes in place.
My last two F-150s were year one of new designs and both had lots of random problems.
razeak
6-Aug-2022(#19)MrBean wrote:> razeak wrote:
>> Is it the first year of these models? Never buy first year. 2nd year should have
>> refinements and bug fixes in place.
>
> My last two F-150s were year one of new designs and both had lots of random problems.
>
It's common. I would wait.
nascarfan
(abandoned)6-Aug-2022(#20)I would wait on the Lightening. The company that makes the batteries from them are having problems with them and Ford isn’t too happy about it either.
MrBean
6-Aug-2022(#21)nascarfan wrote:> I would wait on the Lightening. The company that makes the batteries from them are
> having problems with them and Ford isn’t too happy about it either.
Oh? Didn't know this. Man I'm glad I made this topic. Definitely helped to make my decision.
Porksta
14-Oct-2022(#24)I wanted to go full electric, but I live in a condo so charging wouldn't be too feasible. Put down my deposit on a new hybrid, should have it early next year. Of course my check engine light just came on, I hope it isn't serious.
DarkFact
* 15-Oct-2022(#25)MrBean wrote:> gosh darnit. Was supposed to get the truck late Sept, then early Oct, now it's maybe
> early November ... how are these chip shortages still a thing when so many other
> technologies are recovering?
Everything uses chips and everyone's got a two year backlog, demand never stopped, as usual it tends to get worse than normal as people start over-ordering to make sure this "never happens again etc". It's gonna take a long bit after these new chip fabs come up to get us straight again, the new plants and workers haven't been broken in yet so probably half their work is crap or deficient. The chips in your car, in your laptops and cellphones, your videogames and TVs, your radios and radio stations, your transmitters and airplanes, tablets, toys, everything. And that isn't even touching on the logistical nightmare of getting those parts out of the country around the world to their destinations, which is ALSO a treat right now. Plus infections continue to break out. Didn't Ringo just test positive again and they ended up canceling the entire tour? That sorta little crap, everywhere. Trust when I say if it looks like things are "recovering" it's not actually "recovered", it's just basically starting to get up to a point where they can at least
start to ship stuff. Because of course anything's better than nothing. You still can't actually find a PS5 in a store, right? The reason the used car market went bananas was because everyone firesaled stuff during the pandemic (think Enterprise) and basically output went to near zero up until very, very recently and you can only scrape the bottom of that barrel for so long. It's bouncing back but you're hardly first in line or even a significant blip on the radar.
I took a train to Michigan just about a year ago from Indiana, there's a field that used to be miles of grass and corn that's nothing but cars waiting for chips now, it stretches far and it stretches wide, for miles. That's a good start on what's waiting around! I thought these things sounded awesome but honestly one of those "too good to be true for gen1" situations so I didn't get too excited. That was even assuming the stuff would ship of course
rayzor6
15-Oct-2022(#26)As a fellow Ohioian, there is no way I would get an electric vehicle. Winter alone will kill you with a need to generate heat in the car and lower miles per full charge. Lack of stations and the time to get charged will be a major problem
rayzor6
19-Oct-2022(#28)You are a braver soul than I. I try to stay on top of my fuel and there has been MANY times that there would be no way for me to try to find a spot, that isn't taken and wait multiple hours to get a charge sufficient to make it home. My territory has a charging station that will charge ONE vehicle. At least you are leasing...I can't imagine trying to buy to own one of these things knowing there is a battery needed that costs multiple thousands of dollars.
Anyway, I'm not trying to poo poo...I hope you get your Powerboost! :)
Bishop
* 21-Oct-2022(#29)I officially dropped my Lightning reservation last week. Frunk is cool as hell, but practicality for EV isn't there. Still plenty happy with my PB.
MrBean
21-Oct-2022(#31)Bishop wrote:> I officially dropped my Lightning reservation last week. Frunk is cool as hell, but
> practicality for EV isn't there. Still plenty happy with my PB.
You getting 750 out of a tank?
Supposedly mine will be in next few weeks. My dealership is asking me to still order the Lightning so they can sell it. I'm like, gimme a new bed extendor! We'll see...
Bishop
21-Oct-2022(#32)MrBean wrote:> Bishop wrote:
>> I officially dropped my Lightning reservation last week. Frunk is cool as hell,
> but
>> practicality for EV isn't there. Still plenty happy with my PB.
>
> You getting 750 out of a tank?
>
> Supposedly mine will be in next few weeks. My dealership is asking me to still order
> the Lightning so they can sell it. I'm like, gimme a new bed extendor! We'll see...
>
Not even close. I average about 21-22.
KCPenguins
13-Nov-2022(#35)Supply chain is very difficult right now, and will be for at least another year.
sinnie
13-Nov-2022(#39)MrBean wrote:> We're about to pull the trigger on a Jeep too, for my wife. She said order time is
> about 4-6 months but appears quite a few are available in NE OH. We haven't solidified
> what build we're looking for yet. What did you buy @sinnie?
Plenty of "stock" models are flowing in so the lots have things to sell. It's just anything special ordered can take a bit. I ordered a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk 4xe with all the options I could add.
image MrBean
13-Nov-2022(#42)sinnie wrote:> I'm excited for it though. It has nightvision, a passenger screen is standard (but
> can't be seen from the driver seat, looks black.) and lots of other cool features.
> It can raise and lower itself too.
>
>
Really? Wow, had no idea. We debated going the SUV route but wanted a regular Jeep for ease of towing with our RV. Still, these options sound awesome! What was total? Assuming $65+?
sinnie
13-Nov-2022(#43)MrBean wrote:> Really? Wow, had no idea. We debated going the SUV route but wanted a regular Jeep
> for ease of towing with our RV. Still, these options sound awesome! What was total?
> Assuming $65+?
With the options I got, 70,735 for the Trailhawk. There's some higher level trims though too but they are more luxury. I prefer the rugged look. Base TH is right at 65k but the lowest 4xe is in the 50s I think.
I am leasing this one because it is new tech. Might buy it at the end, might not. I might wait and see if we get a full electric one. I like having both too, but it's also twice as much to go wrong. Still the GC has gotten amazing reviews and the board I'm on everyone is loving theirs.
The Wrangler has a 4xe too. I almost got one of those but with 2 young kids and the road noise concern I decided to wait. They have also been around since 2021 so lots of time to work out kinks. The GC gets slightly better mileage which was another win for me.
loztdogs
13-Nov-2022(#44)I couldn’t even fathom paying 70k for a new car. I cringed when I payed 32k for my Fj Cruiser a couple years ago.
sinnie
13-Nov-2022(#45)loztdogs wrote:> I couldn’t even fathom paying 70k for a new car. I cringed when I payed 32k for my
> Fj Cruiser a couple years ago.
>
>
I am trying not to think about it. But leasing I'll be "paying" under 30 over time and then upgrading unless I buy. But you are right. Hell it's almost as much as my first house cost!
Staraang
13-Nov-2022(#49)sinnie wrote:> This will be the first time I'm leasing and I'm nervous about it. I'm gonna sell
> my current ride to Carvana for 22k (quote has already been done) but I can't give
> it up til my new ride is here.
>
> Yes it's good having a new vehicle every few years. I got into a trap of buying one
> every 3-4yrs and with these prices for the features I want, it makes more sense to
> try leasing. I do want to either buy this one at the end, or find a good upgrade
> and buy that (or hell maybe even a used version of what I'll have or something slightly
> newer with the way car values drop.)
>
> Though it's hilarious... almost 3 yrs ago no one would give me 15k for my Jeep and
> now I am going to get 22k for it. Wild times.
>
>
Have you looked at carbuyerusa.com? They were giving me a better quote than Carvana for my car.
sinnie
14-Nov-2022(#51)Here's pics. She's a dirty girl. They gotta clean her up for me.
loztdogs
14-Nov-2022(#52)Congrats @sinnie looks good!
Staraang
14-Nov-2022(#54)That's a nice ride. Enjoy!
Bishop
15-Nov-2022(#56)sinnie wrote:> Thanks I'm excited!! I wanted to order this earlier this year but was preoccupied
> with baby stuff and being in the hospital so we ordered it in August. First time
> I've ever ordered one like this. Sucked to wait but woohoo!
> Also got my Carvana quote locked in and guaranteed. Old car goes Wednesday and after
> my down payment on this one I'll have 8k in my pocket.
>
>
Carvana is such a stupid easy experience. Guy that picked my vehicle up literally asked for the keys, had me sign it, snapped a few photos, and on the truck it went. No test drive, no popping the hood, nothing.
loztdogs
15-Nov-2022(#57)Selling a car to carvana is one thing. Buying is another. Similar experience selling a couple years ago. Two guys came to pick up my car, max time maybe 15 mins before my check was in hand. Fast forward to August of this year. Plan was to sell my current car and buy a new one all from the comfort of my 6” iPhone screen. Picked a car, applied my trade turned in all paperwork, and did an ach for the balance. Now we wait… except that’s all I did was wait. a week went by no status change. Called customer service- “your vehicle is in pre delivery inspection” - cool! Another week goes by no status change. Called customer service- “your vehicle is in pre delivery inspection” Ok but, that’s what I was told last week. Do you have the car, does it really take two weeks to inspect?!? Another week goes by no status change. Called customer service- “your vehicle is in pre delivery inspection” Ok Well it’s been 3 weeks and either there are problems found in the inspection and you’re not being upfront about or the car is lost, can’t be located. Either way I canceled. Left me pretty frustrated with Carvana, I ended up selling my old car to a dealership for more than I payed and more than the Carvana offer and just bought something local.
sinnie
15-Nov-2022(#58)Bishop wrote:> Carvana is such a stupid easy experience. Guy that picked my vehicle up literally
> asked for the keys, had me sign it, snapped a few photos, and on the truck it went.
> No test drive, no popping the hood, nothing.
lol damn I am hoping for a similar experience. Nothing wrong with mine but I don't want any nitpicking bullcrap.
Took delivery of the GC 4xe today and it's fudging amazing!!! So much tech inside it's insane. So fun to drive and FAST. It feels like I'm inside a tank from the future. Gonna be spending a while programming things and figuring stuff out that's for sure. I'm quite happy!
Bishop
15-Nov-2022(#60)loztdogs wrote:> Selling a car to carvana is one thing. Buying is another. Similar experience selling
> a couple years ago. Two guys came to pick up my car, max time maybe 15 mins before
> my check was in hand. Fast forward to August of this year. Plan was to sell my
> current car and buy a new one all from the comfort of my 6” iPhone screen. Picked
> a car, applied my trade turned in all paperwork, and did an ach for the balance.
> Now we wait… except that’s all I did was wait. a week went by no status change.
> Called customer service- “your vehicle is in pre delivery inspection” - cool! Another
> week goes by no status change. Called customer service- “your vehicle is in pre delivery
> inspection” Ok but, that’s what I was told last week. Do you have the car, does
> it really take two weeks to inspect?!? Another week goes by no status change. Called
> customer service- “your vehicle is in pre delivery inspection” Ok Well it’s been
> 3 weeks and either there are problems found in the inspection and you’re not being
> upfront about or the car is lost, can’t be located. Either way I canceled. Left
> me pretty frustrated with Carvana, I ended up selling my old car to a dealership
> for more than I payed and more than the Carvana offer and just bought something local.
>
>
Would never be a buyer from them after experiencing how they buy vehicles. I watched my vehicle when it was listed go to three different buyers (and this was over the summer with crazy diesel prices)... not a chance in hell they made money on what they offered for my vehicle and what they sold it for after factoring in transportation costs. Even with rolling in financing...
Bishop
* 15-Nov-2022(#61)sinnie wrote:> I keep hearing Carvana is about to go belly up. I don't care as long as I get my
> deposit first. Their stock has crumbled from 300 to 10 and it can't be sustainable
> offering so much extra cash on vehicles than anyone else will. Especially if they're
> not gonna really look them over before picking up.
>
> I have heard nothing but nightmares buying from them too.
>
>
Curious when you finally sell how your experience is. I know the second I got the check in hand, I mobile deposited while the guy was loading my vehicle. Their business model isn't sustainable and they will, with a high probability, end up in BK.
sinnie
15-Nov-2022(#62)Bishop wrote:> sinnie wrote:
> Curious when you finally sell how your experience is. I know the second I got the
> check in hand, I mobile deposited while the guy was loading my vehicle. Their business
> model isn't sustainable and they will, with a high probability, end up in BK.
Yeah I'll post about it tomorrow. I'm getting a direct deposit wire so it should be instant. I'm expecting it to be pretty easy. I'm on a 4xe forum and a lot of new Jeep buyers just used them without any issues.
DarkFact
17-Nov-2022(#65)MrBean wrote:> So I have to renew my lease for a 12th month. Just got a new email saying we suck,
> we have no idea when you'll get your truck, our bad. No compensation, no reasoning,
> no support. This comes after they removed features from my Powerboost with no communications
> and no alternative.
Well yeah, there's not much they can do if they still can't get chips and parts. This is probably a year off from parts STARTING to normalize, just gotta keep waiting like they are.
MrBean
17-Nov-2022(#69)sinnie wrote:> man no plates available though. lol I do like white lotus.
>
>
0 instead of O?
sinnie
17-Nov-2022(#70)MrBean wrote:> sinnie wrote:
>> man no plates available though. lol I do like white lotus.
>>
> |>
>
> 0 instead of O?
Tried it. I might be able to do a 5 instead of an s. I'll check. But yeah I think we're gonna go White Lotus. I was gonna get a tattoo of one anyway. IDK if I'll find a good plate though. Might just have to think of a silly one.
Porksta
17-Nov-2022(#71)My vote is for White Power, being that it is an electric car. WHTPWR - is it available?
sinnie
17-Nov-2022(#72)Porksta wrote:> My vote is for White Power, being that it is an electric car. WHTPWR - is it available?
yeah... gotta be careful with that crap. lmao
KCPenguins
17-Nov-2022(#73)sinnie wrote:> Porksta wrote:
>> My vote is for White Power, being that it is an electric car. WHTPWR - is it
> available?
>
> yeah... gotta be careful with that crap. lmao
>
>
In StL, what's the worst that could happen?
sinnie
18-Nov-2022(#74)KCPenguins wrote:> sinnie wrote:
>> Porksta wrote:
> |>> My vote is for White Power, being that it is an electric car. WHTPWR - is it
>> available?
>>
>> yeah... gotta be careful with that crap. lmao
>>
>>
>
>
> In StL, what's the worst that could happen?
haha I imagine I'd get shot at on day 1.
KCPenguins
18-Nov-2022(#77)sinnie wrote:> KCPenguins wrote:
>> sinnie wrote:
> |>> Porksta wrote:
>> |>> My vote is for White Power, being that it is an electric car. WHTPWR - is
> it
> |>> available?
> |>>
> |>> yeah... gotta be careful with that crap. lmao
> |>>
> |>>
>>
>>
>> In StL, what's the worst that could happen?
>
> haha I imagine I'd get shot at on day 1.
>
>
Park that baby proudly in front of your store! Just buy up on your insurance first.
sinnie
18-Nov-2022(#78)KCPenguins wrote:> sinnie wrote:
>> KCPenguins wrote:
> |>> sinnie wrote:
>> |>> Porksta wrote:
> |>> |>> My vote is for White Power, being that it is an electric car. WHTPWR - is
>> it
>> |>> available?
>> |>>
>> |>> yeah... gotta be careful with that crap. lmao
>> |>>
>> |>>
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> Park that baby proudly in front of your store! Just buy up on your insurance first.
To be fair, my store is in a rich scared white people town.
IDK the only fun plate I have found available is ZIP ZAP but none of my names really fit. OH maybe Raiden!
