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theJaw
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* 26-May-2017(#1)
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Hello, I like to rank things. @bonham2 can attest.

I update this thread with new topics so the GTZers can share their definitive rankings of said topic. It's a great time.

Current Topic: The Christmas Edition Pt II


Past Topics:
1. Rank the Batman films
2. Rank the X-Men films
3. Top 10 TV Shows
4. Top 10 Favorite Albums
5. Top Favorite Fictional Characters
6. Rank Your Favorite Nicktoons
7. Top 10 90's Nick Shows
8. Top 10 SNES Games
9. Top 5 Favorite Video Game Locations
10. Top 5 Video Game Frustrations
11. Top 5 Horror Movies
12. Top 5 Thanksgiving Foods
13. The Christmas Edition
14. Top 10 Superhero Movies
15. Top 10 (or 5) Movies of 2017
16. Top 10 (or 5) Comedy Movies
17. Top 10 Animated Films
19. Rank Your Favorite Action Movies
20. Top 10 PS4 Games
21. Top 10 Movies of the Past 5 Years
22. Top 5 Video Game Disappointments
23. Top 10 Favorite MCU Characters
24. Rank the Traditionally Animated Disney Movies
25. Favorite Nostalgic Children's Movies
26. Rank Tarantino's Filmography
27. Top 10 Bands/Musicians
28. Rank the Nintendo Home Consoles
29. The Halloween Edition
30. Top 5 Thanksgiving Foods Pt. II

OG Batman movie post:


So, for other folks who watch stupid superhero stuff, Rank! Those! Stupid! Batman movies!!! I don't expect everyone to have seen all the ones on my list but if you've seen any, share your lists in the thread. Or don't, jerk.

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GTZ's favorite is Batman Begins. This is indisputable.

1. The Dark Knight
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Classic. Iconic Joker, great adaptation of Two-Face. Batman's mythos in the Nolan trilogy took its most interesting turn with the ending with Batman's metaphorical sacrifice. It was the ultimate grounded approach at a Batman movie, finding perfect ways to integrate those comic book moments.

2. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
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The only animated Batman movie to get a theatrical release is still one of the best. I'm huge into Batman: The Animated Series, and this movie is one of the best "entires" in that series and just one of the best takes on Batman in general.

3. Batman Returns
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Completely off nostalgia alone. This was among my favorite movies as a kid and remains a favorite Christmas movie. Michael Keaton had great nuance, especially as Bruce Wayne. Danny DeVito's Penguin was as memorable as it was gross. It wasn't a particularly great movie and it hasn't aged well, but I'll always love it.

4. Batman Begins
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Really dug the subtle, grounded approach of this movie - it was easily the most grounded of the Nolan movies. I'm a big fan of Ra's Al Ghul and, while I would have liked a legitimately immortal take on the character, Liam Neeson's man-in-the-shadows-creating-a-myth version was great for this universe.

5. Batman (1989)
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Another classic, the logo to this movie is etched into my nostalgia goggles for all-time. Nicholson's Joker is a legend at this point, and again, Keaton was fun as a straight-faced Batman.

6. The LEGO Batman Movie
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Will Arnett as the voice of Batman rules. All the cameos, both voice-wise and character-wise, were great. It was a fun spoof on Batman movies in general, with things kids and adults could both like.

7. The Dark Knight Rises
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Great way to top off the Nolan trilogy, but a little lesser than the other movies. I love Tom Hardy's Bane - even the voice. He came off sinister and brutal, and it was great to see Nolan so closely adapt the Knightfall stuff from the comics. That gets points alone. It did go a little long, and the third act was a little bit of a let down, but still a fun time.

8. Batman: The Movie
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Like the LEGO Batman movie, this one is great for a few laughs. Adam West's dumbed-down "comic story" Batman was so much fun, and the colors of this movie were great. And then there's the bomb scene, which may be my single favorite Batman scene ever just for the sheer absurdity.

9. Man of Tomorrow (BvS fan edit)
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You'll see where BvS actually ends up, but I dug this fan edit as it seamlessly meshed both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. While a lot of the problems were still there (especially in the majority BvS section), I was in awe at how well the edits to make one epic Batman/Superman movie worked out - as well as the edits that did fix plot points.

10. Batman Forever
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Underrated in my opinion, because a lot of people would rank this as far down as Batman & Robin which is an insult. This wasn't a great movie by any means, and Tommy Lee Jones' awful take on Two-Face was just a poor-man's Batman 89' Joker, but Jim Carrey as Riddler was cool and the Robin origin scene was fun. The ending was awful, Robin being a grown ass man was awful, and Kilmer's Batman was forgettable. But I still thought the movie was okay.

11. 1940's Batman serials
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I'll just count both of the serialized theater series in one spot since they're decently obscure nowadays. These episodes were on TV on Christmas day when I was a kid, and I remember watching it from my Batman: The Animated Series tent that I got that morning. Fun to re-watch every now and then for that alone, but it's real awkward seeing some of the subject matter.

14. Batman & Robin
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If this list were ranked for comedy, this may beat out both Batman '66 AND the LEGO Batman movie. But alas. Clooney was phoning it in completely, Robin was still an adult, Batgirl was cringey, Mr. Freeze was gosh darn perfect and the Poison Ivy/Bane duo were the worst.

13. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Tomorrow
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This movie was awful. Affleck's Batman was just about the only thing I dug about it. But just the performance and look itself. The writing for Batman, besides Bruce Wayne's initial hesitance toward Superman, was pretty awful. Having him climb on a ceiling the first time we see him, his whole Martha schtick, his willingness to main (even if it was fun to watch).

14. Suicide Squad
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Does this movie count? Mostly Batman villains, the Joker/Harley Quinn combo and a short Batman cameo. I'll count it, but the movie sucks so this entry pretty much just exists to reiterate that.


DefaultGen
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* 9-Oct(#2)
1. Nintendo Entertainment System Genesis of all my favorite franchises and my favorite era of game design.
2. Super Nintendo Nonstop new franchises and improvements on 8-bit ones, the Nintendo console that will hold up the best over time.
3. Nintendo GameCube A huge graveyard of the last time we've seen many B-list Nintendo franchises (RIP F-Zero, Wave Race, 1080, ED, etc.). Tons of new games (MP, AC, LM, BK, Pikmin). Probably the system with the strongest Nintendo identity.
4. Nintendo Wii Great library if you ignore the junk, but IR motion controls and SD were never going to hold up.
5. Nintendo 64 Killer top 20 list, otherwise a dumpster of unplayable sports and racing games. Almost entirely missing certain genres like RPG, horror, rhythm, 2D platformer, shooters, etc.
6. Nintendo Wii U Weird hardware, pretty good Nintendo top end, almost zero games otherwise. It's like the N64 without all the 10/10 all time classic N64 games.
7. Nintendo Switch Portable port machine. Nintendo wasted 2 years re-releasing every Wii U game and everyone dumped their old indie games on it instead of making new games. Still waiting to see something new besides SMO and BOTW. The Star Wars Special Edition of consoles.

dustin11
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9-Oct(#3)
Just out of curiosity, what type of shooters was the N64 missing?
DefaultGen
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9-Oct(#4)
dustin11 wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what type of shooters was the N64 missing?

I mean 2D shooters, Gradius, R-Type, etc. It's one of the many genres Playstation was wiping the floor with N64 on at the time. Star Soldier is the only one on the entire system in America.

tonymack21
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9-Oct(#5)
i remember seeing stuff about Nintendo of Japan was already using GC as well so NoA and NoE used the N as well as the nat geo thing

dustin11
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9-Oct(#6)
DefaultGen wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Just out of curiosity, what type of shooters was the N64 missing?
>
> I mean 2D shooters, Gradius, R-Type, etc. It's one of the many genres Playstation
> was wiping the floor with N64 on at the time. Star Soldier is the only one on the
> entire system in America.
>
>

Oh okay thats what I figured. Yeah, the 32-BIT era was a monster when it came to 2D SHMUPS. The Saturn was freaking amazing for it and had some great SHMUPS, especially if you dipped into the Japanese market. Not sure if the N64 really had any SHMUPS except for Star Soldier.......unless you consider Star Fox a SHMUP.
Gypsy
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9-Oct(#7)
Star Fox is a rail shooter like Panzer Dragoon and Rez. It's a really good one though.

I would agree that objectively the SNES is better than the NES but I wasn't being objective with my list lol.

But the truth is Nintendo doesn't have a truly awful console. The N64 is the closest thing and I crap on it with my first post but the top end is definitely great. SM64, Banjo Kazooie, CBFD etc... Goldeneye and PD were absolutely amazing at the time for a console.
dustin11
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9-Oct(#8)
Yeah every Nintendo console is amazing, even the Wii which I didn't play much and had no interest in, it still mixed things up and got a lot of non-gamers into gaming because of the accessibility.
Gypsy
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9-Oct(#9)
I think I beat about 10 games on the wii. All except Mario Galaxy 1/2 did not really use the wii mote much if at all. I really only keep it for the Milestone Shooting collections.

It definitely hit the casual market big time. Several people I know that don't really game bought one. For some it is their only console and they still play it.
JD
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9-Oct(#10)
About 95% of time I used Wii I play gc titles


Sid_Ceaser
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9-Oct(#11)
From my Best to my worst:

Nintendo 64
Super Nintendo
Nintendo GameCube
Nintendo Entertainment System

the rest are all inapplicable for me as I stopped buying Nintendo consoles when the Wii debuted. Had no interest.



whitefire
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9-Oct(#12)
Sid_Ceaser wrote:
> From my Best to my worst:
>
> Nintendo 64
> Super Nintendo
> Nintendo GameCube
> Nintendo Entertainment System
>
> the rest are all inapplicable for me as I stopped buying Nintendo consoles when the
> Wii debuted. Had no interest.
>
>
>
>

You should think twice about that when it comes to the Switch. It's freaking amazing.

dustin11
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9-Oct(#13)
I second the Switch. I've seen many Nintendo haters have their opinions changed with how amazing that console is.
Scott
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9-Oct(#14)
This is hard. For me, it really depends on how I look at it. If I'm just comparing all of them for how good they are (and/or how much I like them) RIGHT NOW, then my order is going to be different than if I were ranking them based on how good they were in their time. Which way have y'all been doing it? Or have y'all been considering both factors for an overall ranking? I guess I'll do mine just comparing them based on now.

7. N64 - This one is easily last for me. The graphics and controls have aged horribly. There aren't a huge number of games I would care to play on it now, and of those games, most have superior ports/remakes/sequels on newer systems.

6. GC - The GC is slowly creeping into N64 territory in terms of aging, but definitely not nearly as bad yet. The problem for me is that it's the only Nintendo console I didn't get close to launch. I picked it up several years down the road and caught up on a few games I really wanted to play, but didn't really get a ton of exposure to the library. So, I just don't have much interest in trying out GC games I haven't played before, leaving a small number of games I will play. That small collection is still better than what N64 has to offer me these days, so that's why it's ranked higher.

5. Wii - The Wii also suffers from having a somewhat small number of games I'd care to still play, but that number is slightly more than N64 and GC, so here it is. It has a few solid WiiWare games, which helps it a lot. I do wish they had only used motion controls when it made sense, instead of cramming them into so many games unnecessarily. The worst is the 'waggle' controls in games like New Super Mario Bros Wii and Donkey Kong Country Returns, I hated those! One of these days I'll finally get around to modding my Wii and downloading the hacks of these games that replaces the waggle controls with regular button inputs.

4. Wii U - I loved the Wii U. I know the 3rd party support was non-existent, but that didn't really bother me since I mostly only care about Nintendo games anyway. The Wii U had some of my favorite games of all time, and really rekindled my love for gaming after a period of not playing much. I would have put it above NES, but they've ported so many of it's better games to Switch that the number of games I need it for is quickly dwindling. I honestly wish Nintendo would go ahead and port the rest of the good first party games so I don't have to use this thing anymore. But for now, it still has several excellent games that can only be played on it. It also had a great eShop selection, although most of the better ones are on the Switch eShop now as well.

3. NES - Every year, the NES seems to show it's age just a little more to me. That said, it still has a ton of great games that I loved growing up and still enjoy replaying. Trying out NES games I've never played before is very hit or miss, and more and more miss lately.

2. SNES

1. Switch

Top 2 was HARD. I've been a huge fan of the SNES since I got it for Christmas in 1991, and have always said it's my favorite system of all time. But, I think it's time to officially call it, the Switch has surpassed it. The SNES still has an amazing library, although some of the games are slightly starting to age. Also, I'm finding it harder to enjoy SNES games that I'm trying for the first time, but not nearly as bad as the NES. The Switch has only been out 2 1/2 years and already has a few of my favorite games of all time, tons of other great 1st party games, the best 3rd party support Nintendo has seen in a long time, tons of great eShop games, plus NES/SNES games, with more systems likely on the way. On top of all of that, you can play it your tv or take it anywhere!

I was originally going to do a separate list, ranking them "for their time", but my list really wasn't looking all that different. The only huge change would be N64 going much higher, probably 3rd. My first dive into 3D was amazing, not to mention the incredible multiplayer. Playing 4-player Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64 is some of my best gaming memories.

whitefire
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9-Oct(#15)
@Scott I went with at the time I played them. It seemed like the most apples to apples way to do it.

Sid_Ceaser
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9-Oct(#16)
whitefire wrote:
> Sid_Ceaser wrote:
>> From my Best to my worst:
>>
>> Nintendo 64
>> Super Nintendo
>> Nintendo GameCube
>> Nintendo Entertainment System
>>
>> the rest are all inapplicable for me as I stopped buying Nintendo consoles when
> the
>> Wii debuted. Had no interest.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> You should think twice about that when it comes to the Switch. It's freaking amazing.
>
>

The only thing about not buying Nintendo consoles I miss are Zelda games. Maybe at some point I'll pick up a used switch for Zelda, but I'm not in any way attracted to the novelty things they have done since the Wii. I don't care about switch screens and portability. I just want a nice little dedicated console that lets me play games at home on my tv. Right now that isn't worth the cost of the systems to me.

But I do miss Zelda games. I used to think I'd miss Mario games, but it doesn't appear that they've made a good Mario game since Mario 64.



Scott
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9-Oct(#17)
Sid_Ceaser wrote:
> The only thing about not buying Nintendo consoles I miss are Zelda games. Maybe
> at some point I'll pick up a used switch for Zelda, but I'm not in any way attracted
> to the novelty things they have done since the Wii. I don't care about switch screens
> and portability. I just want a nice little dedicated console that lets me play games
> at home on my tv. Right now that isn't worth the cost of the systems to me.

That's the beauty of it, you can play it exclusively on your tv if you choose to. Lots of people do that. Same for the Wii U. Minus a few exceptions, most games could be played exclusively on your tv, no tablet required. You do you of course, it's your money, it just seems kind of weird to miss out on games just because you don't like a design choice that really doesn't have to affect you.

> But I do miss Zelda games. I used to think I'd miss Mario games, but it doesn't
> appear that they've made a good Mario game since Mario 64.

What are you even basing this on? It sounds like you haven't even played them, so what, you saw some trailers over the years and decided they aren't good?

I think Sunshine sucks, but most people love it. Galaxy 1 and 2 are almost universally loved/praised. Super Mario 3D World doesn't get enough love overall, but I and many others think it's fantastic. And finally, Odyssey is incredible.

AceMatt
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9-Oct(#18)
1. Wii
2. SNES
3. GameCube
4. NES
5. Wii U
6. N64

I guess I'll be the only one who thinks higher of the Wii as it has grown into my favorite Nintendo console in terms of having one of my favorite game libraries overall. Yeah there's a lot of shovelware stuff with forced motion control (some of which can still even be decent fun for what they are) but there are a ton of legitimately great games that are criminally underappreciated and don't have motion control or use it in ways that are clever and well implemented. I don't know if there's a console with as much variety of experiences either. I happen to be seemingly one of the rare fans left of light gun / on-rails shooters and hidden object adventures, and the Wii-mote makes these genres better than on any other console. Games like New Super Mario Bros and Donkey Kong Country Returns capture an SNES feel with a modern touch, the Super Mario Galaxy games are my favorite 3D Marios, Skyward Sword is high up on my list of favorite Zeldas, just below Link to the Past and Wind Waker. And there are just so many other neat little Wii games that offer something unique from every other system.

Haven't played Switch so can't rate that one, but I haven't seen many exclusive games on it that make me want to buy one. Breath of the Wild was one of the few but I tried it on Wii U and honestly hated it.
dustin11
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9-Oct(#19)
whitefire wrote:
> @Scott I went with at the time I played them. It seemed like the most apples to apples
> way to do it.
>
>

I ranked them the same way. One of the reasons why I put the N64 so high was not only because its the best MP console ever made, but because even games I've recently played on it have all been fantastic. Now, I have to addthat I didn't pay them on an N64 console, most were done through Rare Replay and a few others (Turok 1 & 2) were on the X1, but None of those games being on new consoles really gave much benefit other than smoothing out some of the blurry textures, most included everything from the older versions, glitches and all.
Gypsy
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9-Oct(#20)
dustin11 wrote:
>Nintendo haters

Wow imagine hating fun.

As far as the how I ranked them talk it was a mix. If I was doing it purely in the moment the N64 would be higher.

Sid_Ceaser wrote:
>
>
> But I do miss Zelda games. I used to think I'd miss Mario games, but it doesn't
> appear that they've made a good Mario game since Mario 64.
>

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AceMatt wrote:
>
>
> I guess I'll be the only one who thinks higher of the Wii as it has grown into my
> favorite Nintendo console in terms of having one of my favorite game libraries overall.
>

I've ran into a few others but it is pretty rare.

Here is my personal experience with the Wii.

Games I loved
SMG 1/2
Arc Rise Fantasia (yeah this has awful voice acting and some of the main characters make you hate them but I couldn't put it down)
The Last Story
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
NSMB
Milestone Shooting Collection1/2
Sin and Punishment: Star Successor

Couldn't finish
Xenoblade
Skyward Sword
DKCR
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

Didn't like
Mario Kart

When I look over the library...there is just so much that's it's hard to want to wade through to potentially find some "hidden gems". But if you feel I've missed something amazing I'd at least take a look at it.
theJaw
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9-Oct(#21)
@Sid_Ceaser Mario Sunshine and both Galaxy games are bangers. As are the Mario Maker games. Odyssey was okay but worth a play for sure and the NSMB series is a bit hit or miss for me, but all are also still worth a play. Get jumping dude!
Sid_Ceaser
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9-Oct(#22)
I had Sunshine for GC when it came out - and I couldn't stand it. I've played Galaxy 1 on a Wii that I had borrowed from my parents and again I just couldn't get into it.

Obviously there is some kind of fun/learning-imparement on my part, but for all the joy I got from Mario 64 I just couldn't get it from playing those Mario games. At that point I just stopped.

I've played the DS version of NSMB and Mario 3D land, and I enjoy them enough for what they are, but I just don't have any love for Mario games any longer. *shrugs*



theJaw
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9-Oct(#23)
Welp you're outta my will, sorry bud
DefaultGen
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* 9-Oct(#24)
Sid_Ceaser wrote:
> But I do miss Zelda games. I used to think I'd miss Mario games, but it doesn't
> appear that they've made a good Mario game since Mario 64.
>

Play NSMB U, it's essentially equivalent to Super Mario World. NSMB haters hate video games, the console ones are soooooo good.

DefaultGen
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9-Oct(#25)
Nevermind if you don't like Super Mario Galaxy you might be beyond help

theJaw
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9-Oct(#26)
DefaultGen wrote:
> *
>>
>
> Play NSMB U, it's essentially equivalent to Super Mario World. NSMB haters hate video
> games, the console ones are soooooo good.

SMW is my all time favorite game and I couldn't disagree with this statement more if you paid me.
Scott
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* 9-Oct(#27)
Gypsy wrote:
> Couldn't finish
> DKCR
I finished it, but wasn't thrilled about it. I was so pumped when they announced another Donkey Kong Country, but ended up being so disappointed. It just wasn't on the same level as the original trilogy. Same for Tropical Freeze.

> Didn't like
> Mario Kart

This one surprised me. Have you not liked other modern Mario Karts? I'm sure MKW would be a bit rough to go back to now, but I thought it was amazing for it's time.

Scott
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9-Oct(#28)
DefaultGen wrote:
> Sid_Ceaser wrote:
>> But I do miss Zelda games. I used to think I'd miss Mario games, but it doesn't
>> appear that they've made a good Mario game since Mario 64.
>>
>
> Play NSMB U, it's essentially equivalent to Super Mario World. NSMB haters hate video
> games, the console ones are soooooo good.

I don't think it's equivalent to Super Mario World, but I do think it's a really great 2D Mario game, and definitely the best of the NSMB series.

Gypsy
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* 9-Oct(#29)
Scott wrote:
> Gypsy wrote:
>> Couldn't finish
>> DKCR
> I finished it, but wasn't thrilled about it. I was so pumped when they announced
> another Donkey Kong Country, but ended up being so disappointed. It just wasn't on
> the same level as the original trilogy. Same for Tropical Freeze.
>
>> Didn't like
>> Mario Kart
>
> This one surprised me. Have you not liked other modern Mario Karts? I'm sure MKW
> would be a bit rough to go back to now, but I thought it was amazing for it's time.
>
>
>

I still play Double Dash I'm just not a big fan of the direction the series went after that. When it comes to more modern kart racers I prefer Sonic Racing Transformed. I have not tried Team Sonic Racing yet.

I wouldn't call Mario Kart Wii a bad game at all, just a personal preference thing.

Scott wrote:
> DefaultGen wrote:
>> Sid_Ceaser wrote:
> |>> But I do miss Zelda games. I used to think I'd miss Mario games, but it doesn't
> |>> appear that they've made a good Mario game since Mario 64.
> |>>
>>
>> Play NSMB U, it's essentially equivalent to Super Mario World. NSMB haters hate
> video
>> games, the console ones are soooooo good.
>
> I don't think it's equivalent to Super Mario World, but I do think it's a really
> great 2D Mario game, and definitely the best of the NSMB series.
>
>

I think NSMBU and 3D World are both phenomenal games. Not exactly a hot take but I loved every second with both of them.
whitefire
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* 9-Oct(#30)
@Sid_Ceaser I totally get your POV. The Switch and its games are still crazy expensive. I think you'l enjoy Breath of the Wild and Odyssey though. Once the Switch drops to your price point, give them a shot, and make sure you pick up a pro controller. I'd say the third must-have would be Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze if you loved the SNES ones.

Once you have a Switch and a pro controller, you're basically set with a no-gimmick, home console. Still, that's $370 retail and at least $260 used, so it's no small investment at this point. Give it maybe 2-3 years, and it'll be a lot cheaper.

Scott
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9-Oct(#31)
Gypsy wrote:
> I still play Double Dash I'm just not a big fan of the direction the series went
> after that. When it comes to more modern kart racers I prefer Sonic Racing Transformed.
> I have not tried Team Sonic Racing yet.
>
> I wouldn't call Mario Kart Wii a bad game at all, just a personal preference thing.

I LOVED Double Dash. It was my favorite MK until MK8. I really hope the next MK game brings back the unique DD mechanics.

Have you even tried MK8? I've seen lots of people online say they didn't like MKW but love MK8.

Gypsy
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9-Oct(#32)
@Scott I need to play it on Switch. I tried on Wii U with the Gamepad which was unpleasant to me.
theJaw
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9-Oct(#33)
Disliked Double Dash quite a bit but Mario Kart 8 is worth a play if you never have. Easily the best in the series imo.
Gypsy
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9-Oct(#34)
Disliking Double Dash image
theJaw
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9-Oct(#35)
Haha just couldn't get into it at all
Gypsy
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9-Oct(#36)
I pretty much loved all the offshoot Mario games on the Cube. Double Dash, SSBM, Tennis, Golf, Soccer etc... All great fun with friends.

I didn't have any issues with Smash until the most recent one. The recovery ability in that game is just dumb and it really makes the fights last too long for my taste.
KCPenguins
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* 9-Oct(#37)
I found NSMBU to be on par with the originals personally. I didn't care much for the others in the "New" series.

On topic:
1. SNES - Deepest library, home to many of my favorite games, sports games, king of 2d gaming
2. Switch - Off screen play is huge, don't mind the ports as I've skipped a lot of third party games and nearly everything digital only, Switch finally got me to see the benefit to digital games which says a lot, NSO is a great value but leaves a lot on the table
3. NES - A lot of nostalgia, a lot of great games, tough as nails

(This is where it starts getting tough)

4. GCN - Solid multiplayer, solid single player, Eternal Darkness, Mario Golf, RE4, decent sports games
5. N64 - King of multiplayer, OoT was mind blowing at the time, Mario Golf, Aki/Yukes Wrestlers, Goldeneye/Perfect Dark, birth of Smash and Party, very good sports games
6. Wii - When done right motion controls were great, Wii Sports, the Galaxy games, VC, a few great but largely bad sports games
7. Wii U - Great idea, bad execution, docked because the Switch poached many of it's best games, killed most sports games on N consoles sadly (Madden 13 was fun!), VC was nice
theJaw
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9-Oct(#38)
I barely ever played any of the sports games (always wanted the baseball one), but I fudging loved Melee. My pals and I used to play it obsessively. I don't mind Ultimate but I haven't really been able to get into it at all.

Bit off-topic but I just set my Gamecube back up at home, if anyone has either Harry Potter game I'm looking for (Chamber or Secrets and/or Quidditch World Cup), let's make a trade.
dustin11
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9-Oct(#39)
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 2........so good.
Gypsy
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* 9-Oct(#40)
I loved that era of wrestling games. Lately I've been playing a bunch of Toukon Retsuden 4 which was made by Yuke's. There are some others they did that I want to try.

dustin11 wrote:
> Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 2........so good.

I remember this whole franchise being great but I haven't played them in awhile.
theJaw
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9-Oct(#41)
dustin11 wrote:
> Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 2........so good.

This and Sunshine are the two games I've been alternating between. Rogue Leader is wildly good, and a lot harder than I remember.
theJaw
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9-Oct(#42)
Gypsy wrote:
> I loved that era of wrestling games. Lately I've been playing a bunch of Toukon Retsuden
> 4 which was made by Yuke's. There are some others they did that I want to try.

Yeah I had Wrestlemania X8 and 19 for GC. Loved those games even though I feel like they probably aged poorly, and that "Revenge" mode or whatever it was in one of them was lame compared to just a normal season.
dustin11
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9-Oct(#43)
Yeah it was a really difficult game and I could never unlock all the stages because of the requirements needed to get a high enough score on a lot of the missions.

Super Monkey Ball 2 was also really good and incredibly tough.
Gypsy
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9-Oct(#44)
theJaw wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 2........so good.
>
> This and Sunshine are the two games I've been alternating between. Rogue Leader is
> wildly good, and a lot harder than I remember.

Games are so much easier now that if you don't regularly play older games I imagine the difference could be pretty jarring. Obviously there are still challenging games being made I am talking about on average and it is what it is I don't mean it as some sweeping indictment on the industry.

theJaw wrote:
> Gypsy wrote:
>> I loved that era of wrestling games. Lately I've been playing a bunch of Toukon
> Retsuden
>> 4 which was made by Yuke's. There are some others they did that I want to try.
>
> Yeah I had Wrestlemania X8 and 19 for GC. Loved those games even though I feel like
> they probably aged poorly, and that "Revenge" mode or whatever it was in one of them
> was lame compared to just a normal season.

I haven't played those particular titles in awhile but I've been enjoying what I have been playing. Probably worse than the new WWE games to many people but I prefer them.
DefaultGen
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9-Oct(#45)
Gypsy wrote:
> theJaw wrote:
>> dustin11 wrote:
> |>> Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 2........so good.
>>
>> This and Sunshine are the two games I've been alternating between. Rogue Leader
> is
>> wildly good, and a lot harder than I remember.
>
> Games are so much easier now that if you don't regularly play older games I imagine
> the difference could be pretty jarring. Obviously there are still challenging games
> being made I am talking about on average and it is what it is I don't mean it as
> some sweeping indictment on the industry.
>

Wow, we have a retro elitist here giving a sweeping indictment of the industry.


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* 9-Oct(#46)
As far as Nintendo consoles go for me:
1. Nintendo Switch - Really brought me back to the brand, my most played Nintendo console in recent memory.
2. Nintendo GameCube - Has aged very well and well the controller may be a step down for some its oh so much better than the "claw". Short load times, abundance of 480p crispy titles, cheap to attain hardware and reasonable library costs nowadays outside of a few uncommon titles. I love this thing.
3. Super Nintendo- I had a Genesis before I had a SNES, so my alliances are with team Sega for this generation, but I loved TMNT IV and the DKC trilogy on here as well as FFIII.
4. Nintendo Wii - only rated this high because its oh so easy to mod and a very capable emu-box as well as Nintendo GameCube BC.
5.Nintendo 64 - Awesome when it dropped, but has aged like poop.
6.Nintendo Entertainment System - Not a huge fan, 8-bit is just too rough for me I think. First console I owned was the Genesis so it was tough for me to step down to playing something with these kind of graphics when I was young. Love Contra, SMB3, MM2 & 3 and the TMNT games of course though.
7. Nintendo Wii U - The only domestic Nintendo console I have never owned.
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9-Oct(#47)
SNES, GC, N64, NES, Wii for me.

Loved the SNES, I was a big RPG nerd and this has some of the best ever. I loved the SNES vs Genesis years. Loved the others to a lesser extent. NES was my first system ever so I love the nostalgic factor but there were soooooo many bad games and shovelware that it pushes it down for me. Wii just didn't draw me in much. I enjoyed Paper Mario the most but the controller always felt horrendous. Never played the Wii U and the Switch doesn't interest me whatsoever.
Gypsy
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9-Oct(#48)
AlphakirA wrote:
> and the Switch doesn't interest me whatsoever.

I'd say you gotta play Octopath but that's on PC now so you don't need a Switch. Amazing game though, rekindled some JRPG fires for me.
theJaw
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* 9-Oct(#49)
I'm not trying to be snarky but I just cannot fathom a fan of video games not being interested in the Switch at any level. Not a judgment, just wild to me. Switch has been such a fun time.
Gypsy
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9-Oct(#50)
theJaw wrote:
> I'm not trying to be snarky but I just cannot fathom a fan of video games not being
> interested in the Switch at any level. Not a judgment, just wild to me. Switch has
> been such a fun time.

I loved it but it does have very little you can't play anywhere else so it really depends what you are looking for. I basically bought one to play Mario Odyssey and lucked into Octopath which is no longer exclusive. None of the other exclusives really appealed to me. I did play some ports and multiplats for the portability aspect. Mostly indies.

I need to get another one for Three Houses.
theJaw
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9-Oct(#51)
Yah I guess it does sorta depend on exclusives, or game variety. They've just been meshing with my preference hard.
dustin11
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10-Oct(#52)
Gypsy wrote:
> theJaw wrote:
>> I'm not trying to be snarky but I just cannot fathom a fan of video games not
> being
>> interested in the Switch at any level. Not a judgment, just wild to me. Switch
> has
>> been such a fun time.
>
> I loved it but it does have very little you can't play anywhere else.

This goes for pretty much every console this generation. Every console shares like 99% the same library. Looking at the top 10 best selling games this generation for each console, Xbox One has 0 console exclusive on the list, PS4 has 2, and Switch has 10. People buy the Switch to play Nintendo games more than PS4 or Xbox guys buy their consoles to play exclusives.



NINTENDO SWITCH:

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
Super Mario Odyssey
Super Mario Party
Splatoon 2
Pokémon: Let's Go Pikachu!
Pokémon: Let's Go Eevee!
Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe


XBOX ONE:

Grand Theft Auto V
Call of Duty: WWII
Call of Duty: Black Ops 3
Call of Duty: Black Ops 4
Red Dead Redemption 2
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
Battlefield 1
Star Wars Battlefront
Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
Destiny 2

PLAYSTATION 4:

Grand Theft Auto V
Red Dead Redemption 2
Call of Duty: WWII
Call of Duty: Black Ops 4
Call of Duty: Black Ops 3
Marvel's Spider-Man
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
God of War
NBA 2K18
Battlefield 1

Best1989
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10-Oct(#53)
Going back a bit into the conversation, I liked MKW, although my favorite thus far is Mario Kart DS. I know, I know. I just loved snaking and avoiding blue shells lol I have lot of memories playing that game at local meetings with friends.

I still need to play MK8. It will be one of the first games I'll get if I ever buy a Switch.

Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are top-notch stuff.

And one of my favorite Mario games has to be Mario Tennis on the GBC. Man, I spent so many hours playing that game. The GBA one was really good too. A bit disappointed by the 3DS title, but it was fun playing with friends.
Gypsy
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10-Oct(#54)
dustin11 wrote:
> Gypsy wrote:
>> theJaw wrote:
> |>> I'm not trying to be snarky but I just cannot fathom a fan of video games not
>> being
> |>> interested in the Switch at any level. Not a judgment, just wild to me. Switch
>> has
> |>> been such a fun time.
>>
>> I loved it but it does have very little you can't play anywhere else.
>
> This goes for pretty much every console this generation. Every console shares like
> 99% the same library. Looking at the top 10 best selling games this generation for
> each console, Xbox One has 0 console exclusive on the list, PS4 has 2, and Switch
> has 10. People buy the Switch to play Nintendo games more than PS4 or Xbox guys buy
> their consoles to play exclusives.
>
> ...

Right. I went PS4 first because of Uncharted and Yakuza (though the Yakuza games have been slowly getting to PC) and most of that Nintendo list I am not interested in. Mario Odyssey was the hook I needed. I did play Breath of the Wild on Wii U since when that came out I already had one and did not have a Switch at that time. If that was exclusive to Switch, that would have been the initial hook.

Nintendo definitely has the strongest console identity at this point there is no debating that. I'm just saying I can get not wanting one depending on taste because it's going to run the multi-plats worse.
tonymack21
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* 10-Oct(#55)
Gypsy wrote:

>
> Nintendo definitely has the strongest console identity at this point there is no
> debating that. I'm just saying I can get not wanting one depending on taste because
> it's going to run the multi-plats worse.


switch is the first nintendo console ive bought in years, not counting ds and 3ds, talking just home consoles. switch is a great turnaround for them and its good to see them back in the game. we all benefit when nintendo, sony and ms are strong. i was 5 when we got NES back in 87, we didnt have snes we had genesis, i got a ps1 and my brother got 64 for christmas in 97, so we had that, but he picked it but i did play quite a few things, but cube wasnt neccessary when already had xbox and ps2. wii...lol.. and i only bought a wii u recently at end of life for a few games. when first party isnt important there is just little need until some third party exclusive hits or the occasional thing you really want to play so i def get that too.

if it werent for fire emblem, octopath and xenoblade i may not have bought one yet, though probably would eventually. nintendos end with just enough exclusive third party rpgs i want to play to pick them up at some point. id probably play mario on one of the kids swtiches.

Scott
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10-Oct(#56)
Best1989 wrote:
> Going back a bit into the conversation, I liked MKW, although my favorite thus far
> is Mario Kart DS. I know, I know. I just loved snaking and avoiding blue shells lol
> I have lot of memories playing that game at local meetings with friends.

I played MKDS enough to get gold on every cup for 150cc, but didn't play it much beyond that. I thought the controls/driving mechanics were kind of wonky, and I had no interest in mastering snaking, that looked super tedious. I didn't know you could avoid blue shells in that one, that's cool. I loved how in Double Dash you could dodge red shells and blue shells with a well-timed mini-turbo, I wish they would bring that back.

> I still need to play MK8. It will be one of the first games I'll get if I ever buy
> a Switch.

MK8 is amazing, definitely try it out soon!

DefaultGen
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10-Oct(#57)
theJaw wrote:
> I'm not trying to be snarky but I just cannot fathom a fan of video games not being
> interested in the Switch at any level. Not a judgment, just wild to me. Switch has
> been such a fun time.

I can't count how many console gamers have zero interest in PC gaming. Can't gatekeep platforms.

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* 10-Oct(#58)
I don't have enough time on the Nintendo Wii U or Nintendo Switch, but here are my rankings for the others.

1. Super Nintendo - Took everything the NES did well and improved upon it. The best of 2D gaming.
2. Nintendo Entertainment System - Started it all. Games were simple yet managed to make two buttons challenging.
3. Nintendo Wii - Gets a bad wrap since adults used it to play Wii bowling, but there is a solid library which feels unique.
4. Nintendo GameCube - I like it a lot too, but we're getting to an era where I feel like the PS2 and Xbox dominated with better 3rd party support.
5. Nintendo 64 - Totally overrated. It was okay for it's time, but there are only a handful of games I'd want to go back and play now.
whitefire
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* 10-Oct(#59)
I agree that only around 10% of the N64's library were great games. However, those games (for me) were leagues above anything Sony had. While Sony had some great exclusives, games Like MK64, Goldeneye, and Mario 64 were just 10 times better to me than anything Sony had. I also hated the PS1's controller, and to this day I still prefer carts over discs. However, I think the main reasons I went N64 was due to loyalty (I had both an NES and an SNES) and because of Mario 64. The game and system released right around my birthday in 1996, and it was just perfect. One side got me the system, and the other side got me the game. Plus, I was only 12, and at that moment, my mom didn't want me to play the really graphic games (not sure why because I watched violent horror movies when I was like 6 and got Duke Nukem 64 the following year). Anyway though. The rest was history. Ultimately, the primary reason I went N64 was probably just because that's the one my parents wanted to get me, but I'm sure glad they did.

dustin11
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10-Oct(#60)
First time playing Mario 64, hell, even watching the Mario 64 commercials, was an experience that I don't think I'll ever experience ever again in a video game. Its difficult to even put into words what that game brought to the table.
tonymack21
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* 10-Oct(#61)
pretty sure the ps1 had just as many or more all time classics than 64 had, but aside from the top 10% of both consoles they are real bad especially now. i get it that its about preference though. that gen was when things started to split a litlte bit with so many gamers growing up and that would be more apparent in the following gen.

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10-Oct(#62)
1. NES - My first console, sure I started in the Vic 20 but this was my first real console. So many memories and hours spent playing Blades of Steel and Mario! Also really loved Bart vr Space Mutants and Spy Vr Spy.
2. SNES - The first Console I ever bought (NES was a gift). Played so much Super Mario World and F-zero!
3. Game Cube - Super Monkey Ball... nuff said. This was my favorite game! But So many other great ones! Eternal Darkness, Mario Party, Mario Sunshine (I really enjoyed this). Great console but my 2nd least favorite controller.
4. Switch - Love it, and I really need to spend more time playing it. For me it really brought back the "N" for me.
5. N64 - Not a huge fan... but I did love Perfect Dark and Pokemon Stadium. I was NOT a fan of Mario 64.
6. WiiU - I liked it, but the lack of games really killed it for me.
7. Wii - I had it, but I could not stand the controls. My least favorite.







dustin11
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10-Oct(#63)
Back when the N64 and PSX were out at the same time when I was in middle/highschool, I saw a lot more excitement around the N64 games than I did PSX games. PSX had its heavy hitters that people talked about a lot like FF7, Tomb Raider (Because bewbs), Resident Evil, and Tony Hawk, but those were overshadowed by a huge margin by Mario Kart 64, Mario 64, GoldenEye 007, and the Monster known as Zelda OoT.
tonymack21
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10-Oct(#64)
maybe it was different in different areas, but ps1 was a big deal here. i wouldnt say either overshadowed the other really. PS did outsell it almost 3:1

dustin11
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10-Oct(#65)
I heard a lot of people talking about their Goldeneye death matches almost daily when talking the halls and the hype surrounding Zelda was insane to where the day of and after its release there was a large around of students "home sick". Then after Thanksgiving break people were talking all the time about how many Skulltulas they've managed to find alread. Someone even brought in an N64 to school and hooked it up in the computer lab to play death matches in Mario Kart 64. PSX was a much bigger thing when I was in middle school before the N64 came out.
Gypsy
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10-Oct(#66)
N64 was definitely the much bigger deal among my friends and at my school in general.
tonymack21
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10-Oct(#67)
it was pretty equal here, maybe i was a little older so my circle was talking about resident evil, final fantasy and symphony of the night, tomb raider and the sports games more. there was lots of zelda and wwf talk too, both were pretty huge at that time.

DefaultGen
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* 10-Oct(#68)
Most of my friends had N64 and as kids we probably has a dozen games each and mostly the same ones. Looking back as a whole, PS1 has a full 1000 more games than N64 does. It's incomparable. It's like comparing the Nolan Batman Trilogy to the entire MCU.

Many of the beloved PS1 games are also in more-timeless story-based or 2D genres like MGS, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, Mega Man, or Einhander.

dustin11
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10-Oct(#69)
Forgot about MSG, that was a pretty big deal when it came out as well. I had 1 friend who owned a PSX and we went over to his house all the time to play THPS. Towards the end of my high school years it started to become all about the PS2 except with my group of friend who almost exclusively played MP games we were big into the Dreamcast, we took one look at the PS2 and had no interest because its 2 controller ports, that just wouldn't really work for 4-player MP gaming. Had some good times with it after high school when everyone moved away though, DQ8, Ratchet and Clank, SotC, all fantastic.
tonymack21
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10-Oct(#70)
the ps2 library holds up super hard. graphically maybe not so but the sheer number of quality titles across so many genres was real good

dustin11
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10-Oct(#71)
Yeah I bought one late in its life cycle to play the games I had an interest in and had a lot of fun with some of the titles. Never could get into Dark Cloud though, I hated having to keep going back and getting water every 5 minutes, it got irritating. I think that 128-BIT gen, or whatever its called, still holds up very well. The DC, PS2, GCN, and OG Xbox have some amazing games that are still good.
Scott
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10-Oct(#72)
N64 was a way bigger deal with my friends.

LinksALefty
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10-Oct(#73)
100th. WiiU - Only thing that could have been worse than the Wii
6. Wii - No one wants to stand up and wave their arms to play Mario or Zelda
5. GameCube - The controller alone makes me want to puke
4. NES - Classic
3. N64 - There's a lot of N64 hate out there these days. But at the time it was amazing.
2. SNES - Dozens of titles still hold up.
1. Switch - After not caring about Nintendo consoles from 2000-2015 the Switch blew me away. It's exactly what I wanted and I'm glad they finally delivered.
Gypsy
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10-Oct(#74)
dustin11 wrote:
> Yeah I bought one late in its life cycle to play the games I had an interest in and
> had a lot of fun with some of the titles. Never could get into Dark Cloud though,
> I hated having to keep going back and getting water every 5 minutes, it got irritating.
> I think that 128-BIT gen, or whatever its called, still holds up very well. The DC,
> PS2, GCN, and OG Xbox have some amazing games that are still good.

Gen 6 is commonly used I think.

Totally agree, it's a gen I go back to frequently.
KCPenguins
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10-Oct(#75)
Scott wrote:
> N64 was a way bigger deal with my friends.
>
>


It was a way bigger deal with everyone around me. The multiplayer was unrivaled at the time among consoles. I was in high school, and nearly every guy played Goldeneye at a minimum.
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10-Oct(#76)
I agree with gen 6. While gen 5 shaped games into the 3D world and set the stage for gen 6, gen 6 is essentially what games are now. While a ton of improvements have been made, the basic style and formulas used in gen 6 are pretty much what they still use today. There is a reason gen 7 was full of gen 6 remakes and gen 8 is full of gen 7 remakes. Yes, greed is greed, but the reason they sell is because they still essentially hold up. When they remake a gen 5 title, or earlier, they're basically making a new game with the same basic premise as the one its based on. That's my take on it.

tonymack21
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10-Oct(#77)
whitefire wrote:
> I agree with gen 6. While gen 5 shaped games into the 3D world and set the stage
> for gen 6, gen 6 is essentially what games are now. While a ton of improvements have
> been made, the basic style and formulas used in gen 6 are pretty much ......



I didnt copy the whole post to save space but yes I agree. What we are playing now is bigger better versions of gen 6 ideas.


Gypsy
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10-Oct(#78)
Yakuza 1/2 vs Kiwami versions is night and day.
dustin11
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10-Oct(#79)
Some genre that is true while with others I feel it isn't. Platformers, both 2D and 3D is one genre that I feel have gotten worse from then until now (with the exception of maybe Mario Odyssey) and the same can be said for SHMPUS and fighters.
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* 11-Oct(#80)
This should be a fun one to think about.
1. SNES. I still consider this system a classic with multiple games I enjoy going back to and visiting. It's also the system that really let me enjoy RPGs to the fullest, and made me enjoy them so much today.

2. NES. This system is too tied into my childhood. I have so many memories of playing on this, from a single 8 hour session of Gauntlet 2 (turning off the game around level 190) to pausing Wizards & Warriors while I went to my elementary school band concert (and beating the game upon return), I just have too many good times with this. And again, I like revisiting some games here too.

3. Switch. I'm thinking it's going to end here. I love the versatility of the system, and it has a ton of great games (including the first Fire Emblem since Radiant Dawn to hook me in), but I don't think it's going to leave the lasting impression on me, and it's victim to the same issue I have with all modern consoles: patches. I'd much rather a game be delayed to be right, rather than rushed out and patched later.

--Considerable gap at this point--

4. Wii. I really wanted to love this system; I wanted to see the next evolution of gaming become more active. Unfortunately, most 3rd party companies treated it as nothing more than a gimmick, with few inspired games in between. (Boom Blox was surprisingly fun, and it has Fragile, one of my all-time favorite games.) Even Nintendo fell into the trap by mapping the motion to what should have been a button in NSMBWii. I tend to move a bit while playing naturally, and the number of times I died because my movement was interpreted as "buttpound into the bottomless pit" means this system also has my least favorite Mario game ever. At least it had games like Radiant Dawn and Xenoblade to redeem it some...

5. GC. This system was released in a gaming drought for me, when I wasn't too much into gaming in general. (More about that later.) Eventually, when I did come back around and get one, there weren't a lot of games that interested me. Even today, with its small library, there aren't a ton of games I want for it. I have under 40 games for it now, and I'd be hard pressed to think of any others I'd want. But there were just enough quirky things (and Path of Radiance, my favorite FE) to let me have some fun. It's really a shame the GBA link wasn't as readily used, and this leads me to...

6. WiiU. This... was just awkward. At concept, I was really hoping we'd see more games like Crystal Chronicles on GC. In practice, the screen became nothing more than a gimmick, and the portable aspect of it was just far too limiting. Coupled with this was the inability to link multiple screens for multiplayer. It really felt like an incomplete idea. Oh, and the whole amiibo crap...

7. N64. At the time of release, I was kinda blindly in Nintendo's camp. The SNES was so great, this could only be better! And there was that FF7 tech demo before release, so much was coming! And we wouldn't be hampered by CD load times! It didn't take too long for me to realize this was a mistake. Sure, I loved games like Mario 64. But the SNES was making me into more of an RPG person, and I saw them all going to the PS1, including the FF7 hop. I barely had an entry job, so I couldn't afford to get a PS1 also, and the cost of the games meant I had to be more selective. But I was so starved for RPGs, I even preordered Quest 64. I just... wasn't finding much magic at all. Then came Ocarina of Time, and... I was sorely disappointed. The world was big, but compared to all other Zeldas, it was empty. Secrets were not as well hidden, and overall, the game just felt easier. I did have access to a friend's PlayStation with FF7, but again, it felt easy and empty. The feeling of exploration and finding stuff was gone. These games and my disappointment with them led me toward a period of just not doing much with gaming. I may have bought 1 or 2 more games after that, but by Majora's Mask release, I was essentially out of gaming entirely.

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