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Osiris
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27-Jul-2017(#1)
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Going to camp tomorrow morning, after see if I can get a LG Blount or Marcellus! Wallace (Bennett) jersey on clearance at the pro shop. Interested to see Cooks and new guys in action.

Anybody else checking out their teams in camp?

We also decided that while we still like the Falcons, the Eagles are our favorite NFC squad.

NFL!!!!
dustin11
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22-Jan(#2)
DaveSGE after seeing Foles play lights out and take the Eagles to the Superbowl:
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Scorch
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* 22-Jan(#3)
To be fair, I think that was most of us...
This should be a really good game. Will be interesting to see how successfully the defense will be at getting to Brady.
But since I live in Boston, I'm not sure if I can take losing to the Patriots again...
dustin11
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22-Jan(#4)
well, if history has taught us anything about the Pats in the SB, its that regardless of who wins its going to be a close game. I don't think the teams have been separated by more than 4 points by the end of regulation in any of their appearances. My question is if there is enough tape on Foles for the Pats to be fully prepared and if Gronk will clear concussion protocol by the time the game starts. Those will probably be the two biggest factors leading up tot he game.
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22-Jan(#5)
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Sun
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22-Jan(#6)
It's sad that Wentz went down. Would've loved to see him and Brady dueling.
Osiris
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22-Jan(#7)
Pats could be losing up to 6 coaches this offseason, so one would think next year would give the rest of the AFC a chance to topple them.

I would say the Philly/Pats previous SB was very competitive, Eagles just couldn't run the offense fast enough to tie or lead at the end.

Details of game/clock/personnel management are key to beating Pats, lots of teams have the players, but mistakes are killer. You could argue that delay of game penalty at the close of the first half on Jags was critical. Small error, big reversal.
dustin11
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22-Jan(#8)
As long as the Pats have BB then they're good since he pretty much runs the show.
Osiris
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22-Jan(#9)
We are all fans of the Emperor fershure, but the coordinators do a magnificent job in their areas of expertise. BB is terrific, but the fact that he has developed great staff allows him to manage the organization and game time as well as he does.

Last time the team lost senior staff 2004 it took three years to get back, with some stumbles along the way.
Jester695
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22-Jan(#10)
I'm not understanding all the head coaching hype for Matt Patricia. At all.
shadyfozzie
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22-Jan(#11)
It's gonna be interesting how the Eagles cover Gronk... and they are not very good at covering RB in the flat...
dustin11
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22-Jan(#12)
I'm not sure how the Pats will defend both Blount and Ajayi, I think they will have their hands full with those two. If Foles come in as nervous as he did against Falcons then that cause them some serious issues against the Pats. Should make for a fun game.
Osiris
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22-Jan(#13)
Jester695 wrote:
> I'm not understanding all the head coaching hype for Matt Patricia. At all.

I would attribute Lions interest to Bob Quinn, knows staff well, uncertain on depth of interest from other teams.
Matt is a pretty far out there rocket scientist!
PlayYing
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22-Jan(#14)
Osiris wrote:
> Jester695 wrote:
>> I'm not understanding all the head coaching hype for Matt Patricia. At all.
>
> I would attribute Lions interest to Bob Quinn, knows staff well, uncertain on depth
> of interest from other teams.
> Matt is a pretty far out there rocket scientist!

The Bill Bilachek coaching tree's new home is in AFC south.

Titans -Vrabel (still wondering why....)
Colts - Josh McDaniel
Texans - BOB
Osiris
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22-Jan(#15)
lots of weapons for dem Eagles: Ajayi, Ertz, Agolor, Jeffrey, is the rookie Clemens?
Foles should do fine against a Pats D that has some issues- thanks be for Harrison!
KCPenguins
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22-Jan(#16)
PlayYing wrote:
> Osiris wrote:
>> Jester695 wrote:
> |>> I'm not understanding all the head coaching hype for Matt Patricia. At all.
>>
>> I would attribute Lions interest to Bob Quinn, knows staff well, uncertain on
> depth
>> of interest from other teams.
>> Matt is a pretty far out there rocket scientist!
>
> The Bill Bilachek coaching tree's new home is in AFC south.
>
> Titans -Vrabel (still wondering why....)
> Colts - Josh McDaniel
> Texans - BOB


Maybe fun story? I call Mike Vrabel half ass because he half assed everything in training camp with the Chiefs. During stretching he'd just stand there until the coach leading it turned towards him and then he'd make half an attempt to stretch. He didn't really practice hard either. Hard to imagine he'd put the necessary effort into coaching.
Osiris
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23-Jan(#17)
Looks like wink and nod coaching agreements between McDaniels with Colts and Patricia with Lions.

Since Cards hired, Brian Flores of Pats might stay and become the DC, still have some teams pursuing other Pats coaches for promotions, so unknown.

So all HC jobs filled except for Colts and Lions now?

Looking forward to Eagles stories coming!
PlayYing
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23-Jan(#18)
Osiris wrote:
> Looks like wink and nod coaching agreements between McDaniels with Colts and Patricia
> with Lions.
>
> Since Cards hired, Brian Flores of Pats might stay and become the DC, still have
> some teams pursuing other Pats coaches for promotions, so unknown.
>
> So all HC jobs filled except for Colts and Lions now?
>
> Looking forward to Eagles stories coming!

Correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Nati...

Wow, Chicago's head coach was coaching high school in 2008....
shadyfozzie
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24-Jan(#19)
Amazing how Belichek has almost 100 more wins then the next active coach.
dustin11
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24-Jan(#20)
I think he just passed up Landy for 3rd place all time and needs 46 more to tie Halas and 69 more to tie Shula. He has the best winning percentage of any coach in the top 25. He also has 7 more playoff wins than any other coach in NFL history.
shadyfozzie
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24-Jan(#21)
The greatest video is from this past Sunday when they hand Belichek the AFC title trophy and he's just like "I don't want this POS".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxaAb9HXi1I skip to 1:30 and watch the hilarity!
Osiris
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24-Jan(#22)
im feeling the Eagles this week, Pederson looks up to the task, lots of pass rushers, waves of guys
dustin11
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24-Jan(#23)
I feel they can pressure Brady quite a bit, but once they get tired and can't contain him, that's when Brady may start picking them apart. They need to jump out to an early lead and make the Eagles abandon the run, AA and LB can cause some serious issues for the Pats front 7.
shadyfozzie
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24-Jan(#24)
The key to the Eagles winning is simple: If Gronk plays, who's gonna cover him??
PlayYing
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24-Jan(#25)
dustin11 wrote:
> I feel they can pressure Brady quite a bit, but once they get tired and can't contain
> him, that's when Brady may start picking them apart. They need to jump out to an
> early lead and make the Eagles abandon the run, AA and LB can cause some serious
> issues for the Pats front 7.

Thats exactly what Jacksonville did... except they pulled an Atlanta and leaned on thier defense. I swear there was 30 runs up the middle in the second half. And not ONE Bortles bootlet or option play...

...Still salty
dustin11
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24-Jan(#26)
shadyfozzie wrote:
> The key to the Eagles winning is simple: If Gronk plays, who's gonna cover him??
>

No one, hes going to be double or triple teamed which will probably leave Lewis, Amandola, and Cooks getting a lot of 1-on-1 matchups. This seems like a game where Edelman being in the slot would help out a lot if the O-line can't contain the pass rush.
Osiris
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25-Jan(#27)
Any Eagles fans have a take on Pederson? Good strategist, risk taker, able to made adjustments between series or halves? Foles made some killer escapes and long passes.

Team certainly plays hard for him, but what's his modus operandi?
ClearSights
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25-Jan(#28)
Coach of the Year. Hopefully he is here for a long time. Players seem to love him
Osiris
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* 25-Jan(#29)
we also got some Steeler hardcore here, watchu think about signing Bell for big money? heard today he has 836 touches in last two years and yards way down this past season. seem franchise tag is the best thing, unless he sits but no way he passes on millions?

and how the eff did the Steelers not find some contributing role for James Harrison? just bad blood? release seemed wasteful, but hes happy, although he is pretty stoic.
dustin11
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25-Jan(#30)
They're supposed to announce some sort of new XFL thing today at noon. Should be interesting to see what the heck it is.
Dustin
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25-Jan(#31)
3:00 EDT
dustin11
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* 25-Jan(#32)
Noon in real time (PST).
Dustin
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25-Jan(#33)
lol as if.....
MikeyWhoa
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25-Jan(#34)
Well Trump bashing the NFL makes a lot more sense now. Setting up a preemptive fan base for his buddy who's wife sits on his cabinet.
dustin11
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25-Jan(#35)
Well, lets see if there is a want for the XFL here in a few more years. Now would be the best time to strike with the NFL's ratings being down as much as they were this year. Who knows in 2 years time, though.
MikeyWhoa
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25-Jan(#36)
McMahon should totally hire Kaepernick. No criminal record, and more experience and skill then anyone else he could get his hands on. Then his fans would stop pining for him in the NFL.
dustin11
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* 25-Jan(#37)
I guess there is a going to be rule in place that will require everyone to stand during the anthem, so Kaep is probably out. Plus, I doubt that he would want XFL starter money if he won't even take backup NFL money.
MikeyWhoa
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25-Jan(#38)
Seriously? Was that part of the announcement? Ha! They're not even trying to mask it.

I'll have to continue elsewhere. I'm getting too political here.
dustin11
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* 25-Jan(#39)
Not too sure if it was part of the announcement, but its what was being reported on by a guy at ESPN, so.....

"According to ESPN.com's Darren Rovell, McMahon suggested rules will be in place to ensure all players stand during the playing of the national anthem, saying, "People don't want social and political issues coming into play when they are trying to be entertained. We want someone who wants to take a knee to do their version of that on their personal time."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755924-vince-m...
Scots
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* 25-Jan(#40)
I love that saying the employees should protest on their own time instead of at work is considered controversial.
dustin11
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* 25-Jan(#41)
That's the climate we live in, unfortunately.

With the NFL ratings taking a hit though, and for the reported reasons as to why they've taken a hit, I think something like the XFL could work. They seem like they're investing much more time into it this go around and not just throwing it together in a few months. THeres a good documentary on their 1st attempt, and they pretty much didn't even have teams, rosters, or training camps set up until just before the first game. It was a hodgepodge mess because they went into it way too unorganized. Some planning, mixed with the NFL's ratings hit, and this thing may work.
Feeb
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25-Jan(#42)
SJW alternate facts football. Neat.
Osiris
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* 25-Jan(#43)
i wonder if the XFL will have equivalent player safety protocols, or just go full Alzado? I thought the previous iteration had no fair catch and some stuff like that. There some folks that would sure like the old school contact version
MikeyWhoa
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25-Jan(#44)
Scots wrote:
> I love that saying the employees should protest on their own time instead of at work
> is considered controversial.


I didn't want to derail the thread anymore. I replied here.

https://m.gametz.com/Politics/xfl--581571.html#new
shadyfozzie
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25-Jan(#45)
The XFL football is amazing.. best ball since the ABA
DefaultGen
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25-Jan(#46)
Vince said he wants games to be 2 hours long, because a 3-3.5 hour TV show is laborious to watch. The creator of Monday Night Raw everybody...

KCPenguins
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* 25-Jan(#47)
Isn't MNR 2 hours?
Jersiah
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* 25-Jan(#48)
Nope, 3-3.5 hours. And boyyyy does it feel like that and more.

Wanna hear even worse? Wrestlemania, including the pre-show, is now about 7 hours.
Justin
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25-Jan(#49)
DefaultGen wrote:
> Vince said he wants games to be 2 hours long, because a 3-3.5 hour TV show is laborious
> to watch. The creator of Monday Night Raw everybody...
>
>

Haha I didn't even connect these dots when I watched him say that. It's so true though, 3+ hours is just too long.

I hope the Fox rumors end up being true.
KCPenguins
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25-Jan(#50)
Did that change? I haven't watched wrastling since WWF days.
Kommie
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26-Jan(#51)
XFL originally lasted one season, right? What makes him think it'll survive again?
KCPenguins
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26-Jan(#52)
Because even NFL fans hate the NFL?
Osiris
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26-Jan(#53)
anyone remember HE HATE ME, the player from the first XFL?
shadyfozzie
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26-Jan(#54)
Kommie wrote:
> XFL originally lasted one season, right? What makes him think it'll survive again?

A few players from XFL went to the NFL. He Hate Me was one, Tommy Maddox was another. Maddox actually got some significant playing time for the Steelers and even won a Super Bowl with them!
dustin11
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PlayYing
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26-Jan(#56)
shadyfozzie wrote:
> Kommie wrote:
>> XFL originally lasted one season, right? What makes him think it'll survive again?
>
> A few players from XFL went to the NFL. He Hate Me was one, Tommy Maddox was another.
> Maddox actually got some significant playing time for the Steelers and even won
> a Super Bowl with them!

Big asterisk , won a superbowl with the Steelers riding that bench with Ben at the helm.

With the major networks having at least one game with the NFL I don't see this being on network television, probably will be on USA Network...

shadyfozzie
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26-Jan(#57)
PlayYing wrote:
> shadyfozzie wrote:
>> Kommie wrote:
> |>> XFL originally lasted one season, right? What makes him think it'll survive again?
>>
>> A few players from XFL went to the NFL. He Hate Me was one, Tommy Maddox was
> another.
>> Maddox actually got some significant playing time for the Steelers and even won
>> a Super Bowl with them!
>
> Big asterisk , won a superbowl with the Steelers riding that bench with Ben at the
> helm.
>
> With the major networks having at least one game with the NFL I don't see this being
> on network television, probably will be on USA Network...
>
>
To his credit, Maddox did play significant minutes prior and he subbed in a few games when Ben got hurt that year.
Osiris
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26-Jan(#58)
watching Jags pick apart NE on replay now, impressive strategy, if Vikes game is any indication, Pederson wont take foot off Pats throat
in 2nd half. RPOs are the new shotgun!
Uppercat
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27-Jan(#59)
Raw is three hours because the USA network wants it to be, not because of Vince. They want a certain amount of hours of wrestling per week. There was something awhile ago about them trying to bring NXT to USA so they could drop Raw back down to two hours but I don't know what's happened with that.
back4more
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28-Jan(#60)
Pleeeeeeeeeeeease don't let matt hasselbeck end up being grudens replacement on mnf. No one cares about his playing experiences, or off field life. They need a bona fide ex-star in the booth.
KCPenguins
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28-Jan(#61)
Romo...
dustin11
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28-Jan(#62)
Romo did a hell of a job this year.
back4more
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28-Jan(#63)
Yeah I liked Romo. Works well with Nance, stays active, and does a good job calling stuff before the play. He really gets excited in there too.
dustin11
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28-Jan(#64)
Just sounds like hes having a ton of fun in the broadcasting booth, and he has a TON of knowledge of how everything works and does a good job of explaining whats going on.
Osiris
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* 28-Jan(#65)
Romo locked up i assume, offensive retired player - Peyton, Burleson, ? no Cutler, maybe Charles Davis, Terrell Davis, not a fan of Steve Smith, who else is knowlegeable, loquacious, and needs the gig?
dustin11
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29-Jan(#66)
Manning definitely doesn't need it, but he's one of the greatest football minds of his era. I think he would be great as a broadcaster.
Osiris
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* 29-Jan(#67)
Ben Watson would be a candidate, IF he retires and can spare time from his more serious causes.
Marty Bennett? not sure if he is detailed enough, interesting off field stuff though.

addition - Ron Jaworski, X and O command, glib, maybe not hip/current enough for league trying to attract younger crowd to TV games?
DarkLink
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29-Jan(#68)
dustin11 wrote:
> DaveSGE after seeing Foles play lights out and take the Eagles to the Superbowl:
> 623 460{imgt}

I was doing this all season watching Wentz...

then he went down..and started crying..

then after the Viks game... I came back around :)
Osiris
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30-Jan(#69)
i love Steve Spagnulo, i think he said recently that Jim Johnson DC of the Eagles in their last SB appearance was convinced Pats were stealing defensive signals because Brady got the. ball out so quick. I love it, Tell us more!
back4more
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30-Jan(#70)
Damn .... Chiefs agreed to deal Alex Smith to the Redskins.
PlayYing
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30-Jan(#71)
Wonder where Cousins ends up? Arizona? NYJ? I firmly think that Cleveland will not go free agency unless it's for Taylor.
Jersiah
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30-Jan(#72)
Apparently cleveland actually made a similar offer to smith but he (rightfully so) chose the redskins over the browns. If that's the case, I imagine they'll go hard for Cousins too but he'll probably refuse as well. I think they're absolutely going to get a free agent qb and a rookie, but the list is small of who would actually agree to play for cleveland.
KCPenguins
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31-Jan(#73)
I don't know what Denver's cap space is, but I imagine they make a push.

Chief's reportedly got a third round pick and Kendall Fuller (cb). He grades highly on PFF (for whatever that's worth) and it frees up like $15M in cap. Interesting trade I didn't see coming. Bring on Mahomes!
Gypsy
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31-Jan(#74)
Pretty good trade, more than I figured the Chiefs would get for Smith. Hopefully they found someone good to pair opposite of Peters here.
dustin11
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31-Jan(#75)
Denver is reported to shop Talib during the off season, and the Rams are the most likely candidate to pick him up. That would free up like $11m and they're not paying anything substantial for a QB right now since they've got 3 people combined making a total of about $2m/year.
ClearSights
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31-Jan(#76)
Redskins got hosedddd. Love it
PlayYing
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31-Jan(#77)
KCPenguins wrote:
> I don't know what Denver's cap space is, but I imagine they make a push.
>
> Chief's reportedly got a third round pick and Kendall Fuller (cb). He grades highly
> on PFF (for whatever that's worth) and it frees up like $15M in cap. Interesting
> trade I didn't see coming. Bring on Mahomes!

An absolute steal for Washington.

Watch Cleveland end up with Tyrod Taylor and Darnold/Rosen lol, because Browns.
Osiris
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31-Jan(#78)
ClearSights wrote:
> Redskins got hosedddd. Love it

Because of the Smith amount and length of contract, or the player and draft pick they gave up?

I would agree that Skins are not nearly in a position to challenge Eagles though, not sure what Dallas really is now, and Giants are in a bit of a redo, so Skins looking at last again?
Gypsy
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31-Jan(#79)
Osiris wrote:
> ClearSights wrote:
>> Redskins got hosedddd. Love it
>
> Because of the Smith amount and length of contract, or the player and draft pick
> they gave up?
>
> I would agree that Skins are not nearly in a position to challenge Eagles though,
> not sure what Dallas really is now, and Giants are in a bit of a redo, so Skins looking
> at last again?

It's really a combination of everything. I don't hate Smith by any means, but I didn't want the Chiefs to keep him given what his cap number was. So the Redskins are paying a lot for Smith based on what he is figured to be next season and they gave up a very good young player that is making peanuts.
KCPenguins
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31-Jan(#80)
Guy was rated as the best slot corner who could play outside as well. Chief's needed to do something at corner. Also has 2 years left on his rookie deal (less than $1M per). Read a lot of negative pub (on this trade) from Washington's side.

On a side note, I can't believe they are letting Cousins walk for basically nothing, maybe a compensatory pick. I'm sure Denver is the lead candidate, they have some cap space to play with.

Topic   NFL discussion 2017