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Topic   Christian varieties, what's the story?

Osiris
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familiar with Catholicism, but not other varieties. What's the details on other- most followers in the US, major differences in doctrine, protestant a catch all,
Lutheran, Baptist, what else is going on?

thanks in advance for your candor
Feeb
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We went to an Advent Christian Church in my youth. Not sure that denomination even exists anymore. The biggest tenet was that everyone stays dead until the horn blows then we all get back up at once, even the lost, as opposed to going to heaven on death. Also bible is infallible and literal, the gospels are historical truth and the trinity is real.
Feeb
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We did the wine and crackers and baptism too.
Scots
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4-Dec(#4)
This is honestly probably too broad of a topic to get into on here. There are so many details and differences.
Karaiya
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So many Christians and demoninations. We need them to fight the war on Christmas.
Osiris
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Scots wrote:
> This is honestly probably too broad of a topic to get into on here. There are so
> many details and differences.

agreed, but would like folks to write about what they are most familiar with, and any particular doctrines that are specific to their denomination.

What are the dominant Christian faiths in the US in addition to Catholicism, and what distinguishes them from each other?

like, which religion exactly is Roy Moore a part of!
six
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Feeb wrote:
> We went to an Advent Christian Church in my youth. Not sure that denomination even
> exists anymore. The biggest tenet was that everyone stays dead until the horn blows
> then we all get back up at once, even the lost, as opposed to going to heaven on
> death. Also bible is infallible and literal, the gospels are historical truth and
> the trinity is real.
Huh never heard of this kinda interesting. So what happens between that period you just don't exist ?
Feeb
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They called it unconscious existence.
theyrhere
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I only know Catholicism (born and raised Catholic). Most people I know who were in the same boat got away.

The thing that probably made me the most mad was confession. I knew a dude who had an affair with a woman, and she got pregnant. Both were involved in the destruction of a marriage and lives. But they went to confession, so it's all gravy, buy if I was to miss mass, I'm going to hell if I don't confess. Fudging bullcrap.
six
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4-Dec(#10)
I was raised no Lutheran, we are pretty basic. Believe and your saved.
Karaiya
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4-Dec(#11)
I dabbled in some stuff after the Catholic thing. I was into the born again thing to as a teen. Also black southern baptist as well. My favorite thing was to see my aunts and all the other big hat biddies praise and dance. I still enjoy going to service and whenever I pass a statue of the Virgin Mother I still do my I still do my father, son holy spirit thingie. I also do so whenever someone says "God Rest their soul". I still respond to "May God/the Lord be with you" with "and also with you."

Karaiya
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4-Dec(#12)
I always still found myself attracted to Catholicism. Even now that I claim to be "atheist" I still love Our Lady de Guadelupe and her little baby.
Osiris
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what separates Lutherans from other Christian variations?
Feeb
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That's a good question. Just read up on them and I'm not seeing much difference in practice. I do know that Martin Luther the namesake was historically the catalyst for the reformation with his 99 points- which puts him in direct opposition with Catholicism. He was also very anti Jew.

Don't think they would be very popular if the foundational views persist. Like most beliefs, they've most likely acquiesced and have no semblance of their original integrity.

Non overlapping magisteria does not exist in a world with people. Because the magisteria overlap...
Osiris
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5-Dec(#15)
magisteria is an excellent word!

Am curious about the specific distinctions between Christian based
religions, have noticed trump doing a lot of talking about god, bringing back Christmas, and other references to christian god, so wondered if various sects(?) all see him as supportive in the general sense.
Feeb
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5-Dec(#16)
Not mine. I stole it from Stephen J Gould.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-overlapping_ma...
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some differences are big, some small and some are subtle.

southern Baptists and most Baptists believe you are saved by the grace of God through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. its faith based, and contrary to the name baptism itself is not part of the process its only symbollic, and isnt tied to salvation. once saved always saved is one of the biggest differences between Catholicism and Protestant, most protestants and Baptist in particular believe once saved always saved, and that if you sin you only need pray to the Lord yourself, no Priest or intermediary is necessary, as long as the apology is heartfelt you are good, some denominations don't teach you have to apologize everytime, that the initial salvation is good for life. all are born with original sin, only born again believers who have accepted Christ go to heaven. (this is actually pretty basic among protestants, that only Christians will be there in my experience with protestant Christianity, so I wont include this every time). works are not necessary but encouraged. music can have instruments. most in my area have adopted the come as you are, and don't require wearing your "sunday best". we believe you go to heaven as soon as you die, other believe you are in a perpetual timeless state until the trumpets sound. there are many many offshoots of the Baptists now, independent, southern, etc.

non demonational is a big thing catching on in the protestant church world, not claiming a single one and just welcoming anyone from whatever the background is. these are very popular around here as are the "cowboy" churches.

Church of God, works are necessary, as they take the line in the bible about faith without works in the literal sense. no instruments in the music, acapella only. dress a little nicer.

seventh day Adventist, a little on the fringe of Protestants, they believe only they will be in heaven and not even other Christian or protestant denominations are saved, they believe they are the only true faith. they go to church on Saturdays.

Church of Christ/Pentecostal, a little more into the ideals of laying hands, speaking in tongues, etc, much less reserved than Baptists.

Methodists, similar to Baptists in my experience, a little looser on some things like dancing.

these are some examples as ive experienced them

Feeb
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One of my precious bosses was a Presbyterian. He was always deep into study and hermeneutics. Often he's let me borrow 200 page books about single bible books. Really deep into the nuances and hidden meaning. He also believed in pre-destination. He always told me that whether I believe or not right now did not matter- god has already decided who will be in heaven etc. He and my other friend who was catholic always got into it about the appropriateness of baptizing infants etc. Catholic friend told me once that Presbyterians had the most money but gave the least. Bam.

He did show me some cool stuff in the Bible; especially the Ecclesiastes stuff- although he thought the Old Testament was "over" and simply existed to setup the arrival of Jesus.
tonymack21
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all protestant churches ive been in and dealt with believe that as well, most are "new testament" churches and any contradiction the new testament trumps the old testament, we are not bound by Jewish law as Christians, etc. a Baptist preacher once did a lesson on how the old testament sets up the arrival of Christ by pointing out how Christ is mentioned in every book of the old testament.

Osiris
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thanks for the detail tonymack and fellow contributors, very informative.

if you are determined to be in or out of paradise early, no incentive to behave well?
Osiris
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5-Dec(#21)
on a few specific things, do any denominations differ from catholics on views of gay/trans folks and abortion rights?
Adultery, pre marital doing it?
Karaiya
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5-Dec(#22)
No not really. The Catholic church are staunchly anti-lgbtq regardless of what they say or "progressive" they may be. I find Unitarian churches to be more progressive reagarding that stuff.

Catholic abortions are a no-no. Although the churches own history with unwed pregnancies and births is pretty fudging dark.
Feeb
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5-Dec(#23)
The Episcopal Church, or Catholic-lite as they say, fully welcomes LGBT. They even include in the clergy.
SirConnery
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I was raised Presbyterian. I practiced until about a decade ago. They're too much into the mega-church concept, and indoctrinating youth. I still get boohoo we can't pay for our 24million dollar expansion, donate some cash please emails alongside we're going on a mission trip to ecuador please donate so we can put people up in a fancy hotel emails. rolls eyes
Osiris
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5-Dec(#25)
presbyterians mellow, or strict on doctrine? any stances on stuff that distinguishes them from catholics?
SirConnery
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Catholics pray to statues and have MUCH more guilt. Anyone can be a pastor in a Presbyterian church with zero training or formal education.

There's different offshoots though. Presbyterian Church USA and Presbyterian Church of America are the biggest.
SirConnery
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Presbyterians spill communion grape juice (no wine due to upsetting alcoholics) and they wipe it up. It's not the blood of Jesus until it's in your body. Catholics go cut the carpet hunk out since it's the blood of Jesus all along.
Feeb
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Catholics like to get together as an excuse to imbibe. Or so my catholic friend says; he always brings me cases of beer left over from their last shindig.
lpeters82
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Even within a single religion there are differences. I'm Catholic and my wife and I left our local church because they became too conservative. It felt like the dogma was more important then the basic stuff like being kind to each other.
Feeb
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Personally I take issue with the tithing and the tax exemption. There is too much money being made off of well-meaning people.
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lpeters82 wrote:
> Even within a single religion there are differences. I'm Catholic and my wife and
> I left our local church because they became too conservative. It felt like the dogma
> was more important then the basic stuff like being kind to each other.

That's why I left my local Presbyterian church. They collect hundreds of thousands of dollars and blow it on their rich kids. Then once in a blue moon they give a hundred bucks to two old people and they go volunteer in a Milwaukee soup kitchen to show they still care about the poor. The church became a YMCA with a bigger wood cross out front. That and sharing stock tips over tea after services.
SirConnery
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For anyone interested in poking around, this was the church I attended. http://www.crossroadspres.org
lpeters82
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We joined a new Catholic church and it's great. Very accepting. If you want to be conservative that's fine. If you want to be liberal that's fine. Let's not get all worked up over the 1% of things we don't agree on. I truly believe there is a huge spectrum withing the Catholic religion, but my previous church wanted everything to be black and white. You were either with them or you were the enemy. I can't wait until Robert Morlino is no longer the bishop of the Diocese of Madison.
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My old church stands as an enigma of sorts. It's in a Milwaukee suburb called Mequon. It's an extremely insanely wealthy suburb, but their core principal is that politics don't belong in public forum. That includes church, public events, etc. These are mostly conservatives taking the high road and saying we're all equal when we come together. It's really nice and I plan on considering them as a place to live when I eventually move out of Milwaukee. Except there's this bubble that is this church. Other churches have a no political talk policy, yet this one tiptoes the line since there's wealthy donors.

Example: About a decade ago the sermon was that we all have gifts we bring to the table. The church would like to have it's members come together and use your God given gifts. So I came forward and said I have a Computer Support business and I would train members and fix any items needed in the church free. They completely ignored me and said I should go be an usher. Then a guy that openly shared conservative values with the pastor with a similar side business that had no education in and less then 1/4th my experience spoke up. They took him, ran with him, and paid him over $150/hour. Then cried about how they didn't have enough money to pay him. All while ignoring me.

I left and walked into a local Jewish Temple and introduced myself. Said I would hand them my skill free. The Rabbi was overjoyed and put me to work. Then he introduced me to his congregation, which became paying customers. People in my church said I was going against the church and I should be sitting around until the pastor summoned me. I laughed and said this other faith I'm not even a member of just welcomed me into their house. I'm on the same level as their lifelong members. That's the whole point of religion, embracing those that are unlike you because we're all in this together.
Feeb
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6-Dec(#35)
That was the original point of religion. Community, protection and togetherness etc. It's a thriving industry now with goals and prejudices.
MikeyWhoa
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Jesus is a profit.

Finn
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Feeb wrote:
> Personally I take issue with the tithing and the tax exemption. There is too much
> money being made off of well-meaning people.


A Church here in town wants 10% of your income and you have to follow 3 pages of rules and you sure as hell can't support the LGBT community or your kicked out! What I loved is that a bunch left a lot of these "rules" feel very dark age! Another church a coworker went to would not allow here daughter to be a camp counselor because they were afraid she might spread her gay agenda. One of the many reasons why I can't stand organized religion... God loves us all, you just need to read the fine print first.


Dustin
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11-Dec(#38)
Finn wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> Personally I take issue with the tithing and the tax exemption. There is too much
>> money being made off of well-meaning people.
>
>
> A Church here in town wants 10% of your income and you have to follow 3 pages of
> rules and you sure as hell can't support the LGBT community or your kicked out! What
> I loved is that a bunch left a lot of these "rules" feel very dark age! Another church
> a coworker went to would not allow here daughter to be a camp counselor because they
> were afraid she might spread her gay agenda. One of the many reasons why I can't
> stand organized religion... God loves us all, you just need to read the fine print
> first.
>
>
>

lol
Feeb
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The word "tithe" means 10th. The basis for them asking you for 10%.

Another of the tough choices in life: tithe or mortgage.

Our church did "freewill" offerings, an offering plate/ bowl was passed around every service, and also sent us bills for tithes.

I think that is the main reason my dad left the church: his brother was the pastor and threatened to garnish his wages. Brotherly love.
Dustin
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I feel like a lot of these stories are made up, slightly embellished, or you guys just went to some crazy ass churches. I've been going to church since I was a wee lad, and none of the stuff I see people here say has ever happened. Granted, it's the religion-bashers saying it, so I don't know what the actual case is.
Feeb
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11-Dec(#41)
Mine was a crazy ass church. Certainly not on the level of Southern Baptist, Church of God or Pentecostal though.

Feel free to address me directly. The passive aggressiveness is tired.
Dustin
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11-Dec(#42)
I wasn't referring to you directly, or I would have quoted you. You're not the only one making outlandish claims. Not everything is about you FEEB!
Feeb
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11-Dec(#43)
Ok. Maybe I'm misreading your posts. Just reviewed them and I see lots of allusion.

Some of you guys are just #blessed to have such non-outlandish lives.
Finn
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11-Dec(#44)
Not mine, we had a group of people that work here that all went to the same church and they had these rules come out and many left! I was there about 3 weeks ago and they had a movie night so I took a friends kids. The vibe from the place was just weird. Many of the people I grew up with belong to that church and they have always had this vibe it weird! The great thing is though all but one never really push there beliefs on you and I respect that 100%.

The one story about the women's daughter was also 100% true and absolutely disgusting how she was treated. I am all for one having faith, I don't like the idea when the church puts restrictions on it however.

theyrhere
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11-Dec(#45)
I know many excellent religious people that I vigorously defend. Problem is, I've encountered more crapty ones.
MikeyWhoa
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Dustin wrote:
> I feel like a lot of these stories are made up, slightly embellished, or you guys
> just went to some crazy ass churches. I've been going to church since I was a wee
> lad, and none of the stuff I see people here say has ever happened. Granted, it's
> the religion-bashers saying it, so I don't know what the actual case is.


Well, you wouldn't be the first religious person that's in denial. It's so odd to me what religious people choose to question and disbelieve considering what most of them actually do believe or consider fact.

But in my experience, your reaction is pretty normal. Even though religious folks are instructed to be inviting and make new believers, they like to turn away from anyone who has general questions. It's easier to brush them off as evil or hateful, then to listen. Perhaps if just one of the hundreds (maybe even thousands) of religious folks tried conversing with me instead of condemning me to hell for wondering how it's possible for a virgin to give birth, then perhaps I wouldn't be on this highway to Hell.

Maybe if he exists, God will know I tried. I mean, I am saved and was baptized in 1994. That's my ticket, yes? Or was that just the crazy opinion of the 8-9 different crazy churches I attended in my life?


Dustin
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MikeyWhoa wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> I feel like a lot of these stories are made up, slightly embellished, or you guys
>> just went to some crazy ass churches. I've been going to church since I was a
> wee
>> lad, and none of the stuff I see people here say has ever happened. Granted, it's
>> the religion-bashers saying it, so I don't know what the actual case is.
>
>
> Well, you wouldn't be the first religious person that's in denial. It's so odd to
> me what religious people choose to question and disbelieve considering what most
> of them actually do believe or consider fact.
>
> But in my experience, your reaction is pretty normal. Even though religious folks
> are instructed to be inviting and make new believers, they like to turn away from
> anyone who has general questions. It's easier to brush them off as evil or hateful,
> then to listen. Perhaps if just one of the hundreds (maybe even thousands) of religious
> folks tried conversing with me instead of condemning me to hell for wondering how
> it's possible for a virgin to give birth, then perhaps I wouldn't be on this highway
> to Hell.
>
> Maybe if he exists, God will know I tried. I mean, I am saved and was baptized in
> 1994. That's my ticket, yes? Or was that just the crazy opinion of the 8-9 different
> crazy churches I attended in my life?
>
>
>

What am I in denial of? I'm just saying I've personally never experienced anything like what people seem to play off as "common". I've been around religion and religious people my whole life. Maybe there are crazy churches like that out there. I'm sure there are. There are extremes in all cases. However, if you think people should just automatically believe anything people say, especially when those same people have been known to openly bash the faith, then that's a bit naive. Plus no one's buying your bullcrap "oh I'm just trying to ask questions because I'm genuinely interested" act that you try and pull. You should just save your time.

To answer your question though, in my faith, being baptized isn't a ticket to heaven. You don't even need to be baptized. You don't need to give 10% either. I'm not really a big fan of rules like that. They seem to go against what the main message is.
MikeyWhoa
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Dustin wrote:
> MikeyWhoa wrote:
>> Dustin wrote:
> |>> I feel like a lot of these stories are made up, slightly embellished, or you
> guys
> |>> just went to some crazy ass churches. I've been going to church since I was a
>> wee
> |>> lad, and none of the stuff I see people here say has ever happened. Granted,
> it's
> |>> the religion-bashers saying it, so I don't know what the actual case is.
>>
>>
>> Well, you wouldn't be the first religious person that's in denial. It's so odd
> to
>> me what religious people choose to question and disbelieve considering what most
>> of them actually do believe or consider fact.
>>
>> But in my experience, your reaction is pretty normal. Even though religious folks
>> are instructed to be inviting and make new believers, they like to turn away from
>> anyone who has general questions. It's easier to brush them off as evil or hateful,
>> then to listen. Perhaps if just one of the hundreds (maybe even thousands) of
> religious
>> folks tried conversing with me instead of condemning me to hell for wondering
> how
>> it's possible for a virgin to give birth, then perhaps I wouldn't be on this highway
>> to Hell.
>>
>> Maybe if he exists, God will know I tried. I mean, I am saved and was baptized
> in
>> 1994. That's my ticket, yes? Or was that just the crazy opinion of the 8-9 different
>> crazy churches I attended in my life?
>>
>>
>>
>
> What am I in denial of? I'm just saying I've personally never experienced anything
> like what people seem to play off as "common". I've been around religion and religious
> people my whole life. Maybe there are crazy churches like that out there. I'm sure
> there are. There are extremes in all cases. However, if you think people should just
> automatically believe anything people say, especially when those same people have
> been known to openly bash the faith, then that's a bit naive. Plus no one's buying
> your bullcrap "oh I'm just trying to ask questions because I'm genuinely interested"
> act that you try and pull. You should just save your time.
>
> To answer your question though, in my faith, being baptized isn't a ticket to heaven.
> You don't even need to be baptized. You don't need to give 10% either. I'm not really
> a big fan of rules like that. They seem to go against what the main message is.


"Nobody is buying your bullcrap "Oh, I'm just trying to ask questions because I'm genuinely interested" act.

Thank you for proving my point sir. This is what your in denial about -- my personal experience. You think I'm lying no matter what. You're right not to trust everything I say. You're also wrong for just believing that my stance is bullcrap. There's a middle ground, where you could remain neutral until you had evidence of my lies or truths. But you choose to deny my experience as bullcrap simply because it wasn't your experience. Your immediate will to disbelieve all of us implies that you're denying that it happens as regularly as we say.

I wasn't always as big of a smart-ass about religion. It was quite the opposite. I took it very seriously. I brought my younger brother to Christ, and prayed with him as he was saved. I attended Christian schools for a time in my youth. I've still got entire passages of the Bible memorized. I was, and still am very curious about Christianity specifically, but in religion as a whole. So, as passionately as you may believe, only I know the truth of what I want. And I'm sorry to say, but you're mistaken.

I'll tell you another fact about me. I'm not an atheist. I don't even personally know an atheist. I haven't been influenced by atheists. I came to this doubtful conclusion and place in my life for two reasons. Christians and evidence. Christians ignored the doubt, and told me to sit down and obey just because. Evidence and science taught me that virgins can't give birth, snakes don't talk, dinosaurs existed millions of years before man, the entire world cannot flood, the moon doesn't rise, you can't survive for days in a great fish. The list is enormous.

Plenty of questions that any common sense person should ask. Just nobody willing to even attempt to answer. Scrutinizing your religion should be paramount in my opinion. If I'm supposed to dedicate my time, money, and even life in some cases, it better damn well hold up.

Jesus seems like a good guy. I wish more people inspired to be like him, and not what their pastors/politicians say he was.


MikeyWhoa
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11-Dec(#49)
Also, to clarify, my church[es] taught that being saved, accepting Christ as your Savior, and "inviting Christ into your heart" was your "ticket to heaven", not being baptized. Barring one. One specific church claimed that baptism was an obligation.

Dustin
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11-Dec(#50)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> "Nobody is buying your bullcrap "Oh, I'm just trying to ask questions because I'm
> genuinely interested" act.
>
> Thank you for proving my point sir. This is what your in denial about -- my personal
> experience. You think I'm lying no matter what. You're right not to trust everything
> I say. You're also wrong for just believing that my stance is bullcrap. There's
> a middle ground, where you could remain neutral until you had evidence of my lies
> or truths. But you choose to deny my experience as bullcrap simply because it wasn't
> your experience. Your immediate will to disbelieve all of us implies that you're
> denying that it happens as regularly as we say.
>
> I wasn't always as big of a smart-ass about religion. It was quite the opposite.
> I took it very seriously. I brought my younger brother to Christ, and prayed with
> him as he was saved. I attended Christian schools for a time in my youth. I've still
> got entire passages of the Bible memorized. I was, and still am very curious about
> Christianity specifically, but in religion as a whole. So, as passionately as you
> may believe, only I know the truth of what I want. And I'm sorry to say, but you're
> mistaken.
>

You can surely understand how someone who is a big "smart-ass about religion" would come across as someone who has a phony agenda. I would hope you'd be able to see where I'd be coming from with something like that. It's a boy who cried wolf scenario.
MikeyWhoa
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What agenda? I'm not trying to influence anyone. I'm not at all influential. I ask questions when I'm curious, and I call bullcrap when I see it.

I do see where you are coming from. In many Christians eyes, I'm a lost cause, and they might be right. But that really shouldn't matter. It's not a Christians job to bring believers to Christ. They are already there.

That's why I mentioned I wasn't always like that. I wasn't the smart-ass then. When I was influenced easier, and was just trying to understand, I was turned away. Christians might not like the monster I've become, but they created me. And many many others across the world.

Wanting to discuss Christ or his teachings was an "in" for us when spreading the word. Now it seems that questioning a belief at all immediately makes you persona non grata. So be it.

Dustin
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11-Dec(#52)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> What agenda? I'm not trying to influence anyone. I'm not at all influential. I ask
> questions when I'm curious, and I call bullcrap when I see it.
>
> I do see where you are coming from. In many Christians eyes, I'm a lost cause, and
> they might be right. But that really shouldn't matter. It's not a Christians job
> to bring believers to Christ. They are already there.
>
> That's why I mentioned I was always like that. I wasn't the smart-ass then. When
> I was influenced easier, and was just trying to understand, I was turned away. Christians
> might not like the monster I've become, but they created me. And many many others
> across the world.
>
> Wanting to discuss Christ or his teachings was an "in" for us when spreading the
> word. Now it seems that questioning a belief at all immediately makes you persona
> non grata. So be it.
>
>

You'll have to forgive me for not seeking out the smart-ass condescending people for discussions. Maybe I'm a bad Christian.
MikeyWhoa
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11-Dec(#53)
Dustin wrote:
> MikeyWhoa wrote:
>> What agenda? I'm not trying to influence anyone. I'm not at all influential. I
> ask
>> questions when I'm curious, and I call bullcrap when I see it.
>>
>> I do see where you are coming from. In many Christians eyes, I'm a lost cause,
> and
>> they might be right. But that really shouldn't matter. It's not a Christians job
>> to bring believers to Christ. They are already there.
>>
>> That's why I mentioned I was always like that. I wasn't the smart-ass then. When
>> I was influenced easier, and was just trying to understand, I was turned away.
> Christians
>> might not like the monster I've become, but they created me. And many many others
>> across the world.
>>
>> Wanting to discuss Christ or his teachings was an "in" for us when spreading the
>> word. Now it seems that questioning a belief at all immediately makes you persona
>> non grata. So be it.
>>
>>
>
> You'll have to forgive me for not seeking out the smart-ass condescending people
> for discussions. Maybe I'm a bad Christian.


It's not up to me to forgive. You haven't really affected me. I'm used to it. And you don't have to seek out smart-asses. But if one shows up asking for guidance or clarification, maybe don't assume he's an agenda filled bullcrapter. But that's only if you interested in doing what God asks you in the Bible. It's not my rule.

Ignore us all for all I care. I'm not spreading the word anymore really. We'll live. It'll only be Jesus who is disappointed, if the teachings are to be believed.

And your ability as a Christian I can't really judge. It depends on your specific idea of Christianity. Jesus would be a bad Christian to some them. What with his feeding the hungry, caring for the poor, lamenting the rich and powerful, and loving thy neighbor behaviors. They don't match well with the modern GOP platform.

Karaiya
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11-Dec(#54)
He was the OG SJW cuck.
SirConnery
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11-Dec(#55)
What exactly is a cuck? Somewhere between cock and chicken?
Missile
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11-Dec(#56)
Cuck on the internet has taken on a different, meaning, but it's typically used to describe a man with an unfaithful wife.
SirConnery
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11-Dec(#57)
I thought that was cuckold.
Feeb
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11-Dec(#58)
SirConnery wrote:
> I thought that was cuckold.

Yeah it's the hipster angry conservative guy version.
Missile
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11-Dec(#59)
Yeah, but this is just shorthand for that. Though really most people seem to use it as another word for beta male.
Feeb
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11-Dec(#60)
Some of the more refined types like to use cuck as a racist thing too.
ninesalone
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11-Dec(#61)
Feeb wrote:
> Some of the more refined types like to use cuck as a racist thing too.

I've never seen this.

I think people are using it more-so to refer to emasculated men. Buzzfeed some time ago had some experiment with 5 guys where they did a bunch of scientific tests to see how they ranked in physical attraction. ALL of them had testosterone levels below that of an average 80 year old man. Cucks.

I tend to use the word to refer to men that view masculinity in a negative way. Since these fem-type men are usually on the left, the word is used by the right more often.

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Dustin
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11-Dec(#62)
I view cuck as a beta male. You know, like almost all liberals.
Missile
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11-Dec(#63)
ninesalone wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> Some of the more refined types like to use cuck as a racist thing too.
>
> I've never seen this.
>
> I think people are using it more-so to refer to emasculated men. Buzzfeed some time
> ago had some experiment with 5 guys where they did a bunch of scientific tests to
> see how they ranked in physical attraction. ALL of them had testosterone levels below
> that of an average 80 year old man. Cucks.
>
> I tend to use the word to refer to men that view masculinity in a negative way. Since
> these fem-type men are usually on the left, the word is used by the right more often.
>
> [imgt w=1160 h=629]https://i.imgur.com/6vjZrbp.jpg[/imgt]
He's referring to people on 4chan and certain places on reddit that imply your unfaithful wife is sleeping with black men.
ninesalone
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11-Dec(#64)
Missile wrote:

> He's referring to people on 4chan and certain places on reddit that imply your unfaithful
> wife is sleeping with black men.

Ah.
Feeb
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* 11-Dec(#65)
ninesalone wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> Some of the more refined types like to use cuck as a racist thing too.
>
> I've never seen this.
>
> I think people are using it more-so to refer to emasculated men. Buzzfeed some time
> ago had some experiment with 5 guys where they did a bunch of scientific tests to
> see how they ranked in physical attraction. ALL of them had testosterone levels below
> that of an average 80 year old man. Cucks.
>
> I tend to use the word to refer to men that view masculinity in a negative way. Since
> these fem-type men are usually on the left, the word is used by the right more often.
>
> [imgt w=1160 h=629]https://i.imgur.com/6vjZrbp.jpg[/imgt]

I saw it quite a bit on the breitbart boards. Someone even explained it to me.

Not just your wife, but you're letting non-whites take what is yours. This is how they explained it.
Missile
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* 11-Dec(#66)
Feeb wrote:
> I saw it quite a bit on the breitbart boards. Someone even explained it to me.
>
> Not just your wife, but you're letting non-whites take what is yours. This is how
> they explained it.
Oh, 8chan logic, i didn't realize you were going to ben garrison-tier Neo Nazi boards.
Feeb
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* 11-Dec(#67)
Nah. Breitbart was full of that stuff. If it's what you're describing then yeah?
Missile
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11-Dec(#68)
They're pretty much the same i'm willing to bet.
Karaiya
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11-Dec(#69)
ninesalone wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> Some of the more refined types like to use cuck as a racist thing too.
>
> I've never seen this.
>
> I think people are using it more-so to refer to emasculated men. Buzzfeed some time
> ago had some experiment with 5 guys where they did a bunch of scientific tests to
> see how they ranked in physical attraction. ALL of them had testosterone levels below
> that of an average 80 year old man. Cucks.
>
> I tend to use the word to refer to men that view masculinity in a negative way. Since
> these fem-type men are usually on the left, the word is used by the right more often.
>
> [imgt w=1160 h=629]https://i.imgur.com/6vjZrbp.jpg[/imgt]

Some of its sexual roots are in racism. "Race Cucking" There is a whole fetish about it. The "bull" is typically black, big dicked "mandingo" and satisifies the Cuckolds white wife while he watches because he can't. There is also what we call "breeding" where the "bull" is begged by the white women to cum inside her in front of the husband. Many times the white Cuck is made to eat the freshly inseminated pussy of the wife after the bull has evacuated.

I was propositioned once by skeevy old people in Pensacola when I was young. His wife was also pregnant. I declined kindly she had this really tiny bikini top and one of her nipples kept sticking out and she was tanned onto oblivion. I couldnt handle a beast like that at 17. I wouldn't have known what to do with it.
Karaiya
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11-Dec(#70)
For the Alt right and White Nationalists they are specifically referring to "race cucking" a majority of the time.
Feeb
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11-Dec(#71)
Missile wrote:
> They're pretty much the same i'm willing to bet.

It's shocking. You certainly can't be contrarian there. They purge dissent. Echo chambers always create an illusion of correctness. That's why I listen to what these people say. I'm interested in their viewpoints, even though I can't post.
MikeyWhoa
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11-Dec(#72)
Feeb wrote:
> Missile wrote:
>> They're pretty much the same i'm willing to bet.
>
> It's shocking. You certainly can't be contrarian there. They purge dissent. Echo
> chambers always create an illusion of correctness. That's why I listen to what these
> people say. I'm interested in their viewpoints, even though I can't post.


I visit r/The_Donald a couple of times a week to get a glimpse of the other side. Don't want to post because they'll start crying a ban any dissidents.

Also to preview the next batch of memes that @ninesalone and/or @dracula will post.


ninesalone
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11-Dec(#73)
@Karaiya
That was highly disturbing.

While that may have been an original meaning of it, I think the vast majority of people are not using that term in some "racist" way or referring to acts like you described. Maybe on the darker corners of the internet.
Karaiya
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11-Dec(#74)
ninesalone wrote:
> @Karaiya
> That was highly disturbing.
>
> While that may have been an original meaning of it, I think the vast majority of
> people are not using that term in some "racist" way or referring to acts like you
> described. Maybe on the darker corners of the internet.

I did my research from Pornhub Im really sorry...
ninesalone
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11-Dec(#75)
Haha
Mexico
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11-Dec(#76)
Yall normies are confusing coal burning/mudsharking, cucks and soy boys or bugmen.

coal burner/mudshark - white woman that has relations with a black male

cuck - someone that sells out

soy boy - effeminate numale (like the buzzfeed writers with low T)

bugmen - Soulless creatures whose whole existence is solely about consumerism

Bonus lesson: Amerimutt - http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/amerimutt-le-56-face
Feeb
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11-Dec(#77)
ninesalone wrote:
> @Karaiya
> That was highly disturbing.
>
> While that may have been an original meaning of it, I think the vast majority of
> people are not using that term in some "racist" way or referring to acts like you
> described. Maybe on the darker corners of the internet.

Breitbart?
Karaiya
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11-Dec(#78)
Yeah I can find this info on brietbart pretty easy. There has to be an exposť.
Feeb
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* 11-Dec(#79)
You have to read the comments to see where these dudes stand on the issues. It's shocking how they use the "stories" to stoke those guys. It's exactly what they claim to be against. A microcosm of what's happening across the globe.

Anyway, regarding the alt right and cuck:

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/2017/08/...
Karaiya
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11-Dec(#80)
Yes, I do notice "cuck" being used more just as a way to emasculate progressive men. But the traits of "masculinity" are just constructs. There isn't anything wrong with being masculine or striving to be masculine. But its when those traditional masculine gender roles oppress or hurt women and homosexual men "toxic masculinity" where we have a problem. The word cuck is one of those toxic male things. Its all a bunch of hetero male bullcrap. I know queens tbat would literally kick the crap out of any dude that tried some bullcrap.

As far as liberal men being called cucks. Cucks is more of a way to crap on dude that support feminism. The race part ia actually practically done it the fet (fetish) world.

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