> MikeyWhoa wrote:
>> Dustin wrote:
> |>> I feel like a lot of these stories are made up, slightly embellished, or you
> |>> just went to some crazy ass churches. I've been going to church since I was a
> |>> lad, and none of the stuff I see people here say has ever happened. Granted,
> |>> the religion-bashers saying it, so I don't know what the actual case is.
>> Well, you wouldn't be the first religious person that's in denial. It's so odd
>> me what religious people choose to question and disbelieve considering what most
>> of them actually do believe or consider fact.
>> But in my experience, your reaction is pretty normal. Even though religious folks
>> are instructed to be inviting and make new believers, they like to turn away from
>> anyone who has general questions. It's easier to brush them off as evil or hateful,
>> then to listen. Perhaps if just one of the hundreds (maybe even thousands) of
>> folks tried conversing with me instead of condemning me to hell for wondering
>> it's possible for a virgin to give birth, then perhaps I wouldn't be on this highway
>> to Hell.
>> Maybe if he exists, God will know I tried. I mean, I am saved and was baptized
>> 1994. That's my ticket, yes? Or was that just the crazy opinion of the 8-9 different
>> crazy churches I attended in my life?
> What am I in denial of? I'm just saying I've personally never experienced anything
> like what people seem to play off as "common". I've been around religion and religious
> people my whole life. Maybe there are crazy churches like that out there. I'm sure
> there are. There are extremes in all cases. However, if you think people should just
> automatically believe anything people say, especially when those same people have
> been known to openly bash the faith, then that's a bit naive. Plus no one's buying
> your bullcrap "oh I'm just trying to ask questions because I'm genuinely interested"
> act that you try and pull. You should just save your time.
> To answer your question though, in my faith, being baptized isn't a ticket to heaven.
> You don't even need to be baptized. You don't need to give 10% either. I'm not really
> a big fan of rules like that. They seem to go against what the main message is."Nobody is buying your bullcrap "Oh, I'm just trying to ask questions because I'm genuinely interested" act.
Thank you for proving my point sir. This is what your in denial about -- my personal experience. You think I'm lying no matter what. You're right not to trust everything I say. You're also wrong for just believing
that my stance is bullcrap. There's a middle ground, where you could remain neutral until you had evidence of my lies or truths. But you choose to deny my experience as bullcrap simply because it wasn't your experience. Your immediate will to disbelieve all of us implies that you're denying that it happens as regularly as we say.
I wasn't always as big of a smart-ass about religion. It was quite the opposite. I took it very seriously. I brought my younger brother to Christ, and prayed with him as he was saved. I attended Christian schools for a time in my youth. I've still got entire passages of the Bible memorized. I was, and still am very curious about Christianity specifically, but in religion as a whole. So, as passionately as you may believe, only I know the truth of what I want. And I'm sorry to say, but you're mistaken.
I'll tell you another fact about me. I'm not an atheist. I don't even personally know an atheist. I haven't been influenced by atheists. I came to this doubtful conclusion and place in my life for two reasons. Christians and evidence. Christians ignored the doubt, and told me to sit down and obey just because. Evidence and science taught me that virgins can't give birth, snakes don't talk, dinosaurs existed millions of years before man, the entire world cannot flood, the moon doesn't rise, you can't survive for days in a great fish. The list is enormous.
Plenty of questions that any common sense person should ask. Just nobody willing to even attempt to answer. Scrutinizing your religion should be paramount in my opinion. If I'm supposed to dedicate my time, money, and even life in some cases, it better damn well hold up.
Jesus seems like a good guy. I wish more people inspired to be like him, and not what their pastors/politicians say he was.