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Topic   This week in American shootings.

MikeyWhoa
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* 5-Nov-2017(#1)
This topic had many older posts which were moved here:

http://gametz.com/Politics/week-american-shootings...


I figured it's best to start a thread covering all mass shootings in America since they happen so frequently, and isn't going to stop anytime soon.

20+ killed, and dozens injured as a gunman shoots up a small church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

Thoughts and prayers were sent to the victims, who were killed while thinking and praying. Kind, but completely useless.

Trump asked God to be with them because for some reason God wasnt there on a Sunday afternoon while they worshipped Him.

Looking forward to Trumps reaction to policy changes to help stop these shootings from happening. I'm sure he'll suggest forceful and expedited policy changes like he did when an Islamic maniac killed 8 in New York.

Tune in next week.



yankees7448
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* 17-Nov-2017(#2)
DiamondDave wrote:
> Mexico wrote:
>> yankees7448 wrote:
> |>> Mexico wrote:
>> |>> yankees7448 wrote:
> |>> |>> Mexico wrote:
> |>> |>>
> |>> No.
>>
>> why not?
>
> He has no idea why. That's like asking a deaf man what offends him about B flat
> scale, he literally does not know.
>
> But fudge that noise.

I know its a semi-automatic. I know enough about guns to know that is an M-14 (though it kinda looked like an M-1 Garand). F*cking gun nuts like to pull this lazy bait and switch. Show off a picture of an old model semi-automatic and catch anti-gun people into saying its ok only for the gun nut to jump in and say "YOU SEE.....You just don't want people to have AR-15 and AK-47s because they look scary.

Been there done that. I've watched enough war movies, documentaries and played Call of Duty enough not to fall for it. That guy Mexico should try to find a more obscure countries weaponry if he wants to trick people. I may be a freedom hating liberal but I do know something about Merica's weapons.
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
* 17-Nov-2017(#3)
Osiris wrote:
> That's another good question, guys, what level of weaponry should be available to
> average Americans for personal and home defense?
> What do we need for actual protection against likely threats?

I think handguns should generally be more than enough but people are going to have shotguns if they hunt so that will probably have to be included as well.



Scots
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17-Nov-2017(#4)
So existing handguns all good, for long guns only bolt action and pump?

I think we just kicked this thing. Take it to Congress!!!
Feeb
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* 17-Nov-2017(#5)
There are so many factors that go into a gun for home protection. A shotgun is the obvious choice but in a situation how easy to load and how much collateral? A handgun you need to be able to aim better but will it discharge etc? Are there kids etc? I look at mine as a sort of flare gun. I may need to use it once in a lifetime for it's purpose- it must work 100%.

60% of the time it works every time just wont cut it.
Karaiya
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17-Nov-2017(#6)
The simple sound of a shotgun being pumped is a deterrent and offers a level of protection in itself.
Osiris
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17-Nov-2017(#7)
Karaiya wrote:
> The simple sound of a shotgun being pumped is a deterrent and offers a level of protection
> in itself.

Excellent get a recording made, play it through the home sound system! I like it.

Whatever people use, they better know what they are doing with it. I don't know how many gun owners get sufficient training if weapons weren't part of their life growing up.

I know one thing, if I had personal firearms, I'd take the time and money to become an expert.
Feeb
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17-Nov-2017(#8)
The moment is the hardest part. Thinking clearly in a high stress moment is definitely not the norm.
Dustin
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17-Nov-2017(#9)
Scots wrote:
> So existing handguns all good, for long guns only bolt action and pump?
>
> I think we just kicked this thing. Take it to Congress!!!

If that's the case I'm getting a Glock 18.
Scots
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17-Nov-2017(#10)
Dustin wrote:
> Scots wrote:
>> So existing handguns all good, for long guns only bolt action and pump?
>>
>> I think we just kicked this thing. Take it to Congress!!!
>
> If that's the case I'm getting a Glock 18.

The 18 is great. I'm thinking of getting the 18 Assault Edition though cuz it has the shoulder thing that goes up.
Feeb
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* 17-Nov-2017(#11)
The fully auto conversion. I know- redacted again.

yankees7448
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17-Nov-2017(#12)
Scots wrote:
> So existing handguns all good, for long guns only bolt action and pump?
>
> I think we just kicked this thing. Take it to Congress!!!

That works for me assuming we get rid of conversion kits for those guns so there is no workaround but yea.

Handguns are legit personal defense.
Shotguns are legit hunting weapons.
Bolt action rifles are legit hunting weapons for skilled ranged shooters. (no huge calibers like .50 caliber or anything though. I know they make .50 caliber bolt actions as well.)
DiamondDave
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17-Nov-2017(#13)
You just don't get it. You'll never fudging get it. What if the deer start wearing kevlar? Jesus.
Scots
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17-Nov-2017(#14)
yankees7448 wrote:
> Scots wrote:
>> So existing handguns all good, for long guns only bolt action and pump?
>>
>> I think we just kicked this thing. Take it to Congress!!!
>
> That works for me assuming we get rid of conversion kits for those guns so there
> is no workaround but yea.
>
> Handguns are legit personal defense.
> Shotguns are legit hunting weapons.
> Bolt action rifles are legit hunting weapons for skilled ranged shooters. (no huge
> calibers like .50 caliber or anything though. I know they make .50 caliber bolt actions
> as well.)

yes

I knew if we hashed this out we could solve the issue.
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
17-Nov-2017(#15)
Scots wrote:
> yankees7448 wrote:
>> Scots wrote:
> |>> So existing handguns all good, for long guns only bolt action and pump?
> |>>
> |>> I think we just kicked this thing. Take it to Congress!!!
>>
>> That works for me assuming we get rid of conversion kits for those guns so there
>> is no workaround but yea.
>>
>> Handguns are legit personal defense.
>> Shotguns are legit hunting weapons.
>> Bolt action rifles are legit hunting weapons for skilled ranged shooters. (no
> huge
>> calibers like .50 caliber or anything though. I know they make .50 caliber bolt
> actions
>> as well.)
>
> yes
>
> I knew if we hashed this out we could solve the issue.

Enjoy this while it lasts. I am waiting for Dustin or someone like him to start talking about a slippery slope.
Scots
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17-Nov-2017(#16)
No, I think this is something we can all get behind. No more semi-autos killing machines. I'm sick of nobody standing up to the NRA.
Scots
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17-Nov-2017(#17)
yankees7448 wrote:
> Scots wrote:
>> yankees7448 wrote:
> |>> Scots wrote:
>> |>> So existing handguns all good, for long guns only bolt action and pump?
>> |>>
>> |>> I think we just kicked this thing. Take it to Congress!!!
> |>>
> |>> That works for me assuming we get rid of conversion kits for those guns so there
> |>> is no workaround but yea.
> |>>
> |>> Handguns are legit personal defense.
> |>> Shotguns are legit hunting weapons.
> |>> Bolt action rifles are legit hunting weapons for skilled ranged shooters. (no
>> huge
> |>> calibers like .50 caliber or anything though. I know they make .50 caliber bolt
>> actions
> |>> as well.)
>>
>> yes
>>
>> I knew if we hashed this out we could solve the issue.
>
> Enjoy this while it lasts. I am waiting for Dustin or someone like him to start talking
> about a slippery slope.

Dustin is just another NRA pawn, TBH. The challenge is to make sure people like him don't stop the type of progress we're making here.
Feeb
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17-Nov-2017(#18)
Bad form guys.
Scots
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17-Nov-2017(#19)
Feeb wrote:
> Bad form guys.

image
Feeb
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17-Nov-2017(#20)
Tinker bell in the face. Woah.
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
17-Nov-2017(#21)
Scots wrote:
> yankees7448 wrote:
>> Scots wrote:
> |>> yankees7448 wrote:
>> |>> Scots wrote:
> |>> |>> So existing handguns all good, for long guns only bolt action and pump?
> |>> |>>
> |>> |>> I think we just kicked this thing. Take it to Congress!!!
>> |>>
>> |>> That works for me assuming we get rid of conversion kits for those guns so
> there
>> |>> is no workaround but yea.
>> |>>
>> |>> Handguns are legit personal defense.
>> |>> Shotguns are legit hunting weapons.
>> |>> Bolt action rifles are legit hunting weapons for skilled ranged shooters.
> (no
> |>> huge
>> |>> calibers like .50 caliber or anything though. I know they make .50 caliber
> bolt
> |>> actions
>> |>> as well.)
> |>>
> |>> yes
> |>>
> |>> I knew if we hashed this out we could solve the issue.
>>
>> Enjoy this while it lasts. I am waiting for Dustin or someone like him to start
> talking
>> about a slippery slope.
>
> Dustin is just another NRA pawn, TBH. The challenge is to make sure people like him
> don't stop the type of progress we're making here.

Impossible. These people just aren't reasonable.
Osiris
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17-Nov-2017(#22)
Feeb wrote:
> The moment is the hardest part. Thinking clearly in a high stress moment is definitely
> not the norm.

Totally agree, not everybody has been in personal or professional situations where an "emergency state of mind" exists or has been developed.

What will we do when the chit really hits the fan?
Scots
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17-Nov-2017(#23)
All we can do is try.
Dustin
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17-Nov-2017(#24)
Ah yes, the democratic party, always known for their ability to use logic and reason. HA!
Feeb
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17-Nov-2017(#25)
Be prepared, practice. But that zone is a different place and pace.
Feeb
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17-Nov-2017(#26)
Dustin wrote:
> Ah yes, the democratic party, always known for their ability to use logic and reason.
> HA!

Anyone here a registered Democrat?
Dustin
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17-Nov-2017(#27)
Feeb wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> Ah yes, the democratic party, always known for their ability to use logic and
> reason.
>> HA!
>
> Anyone here a registered Democrat?

I'd be willing to bet that yankees is
Feeb
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17-Nov-2017(#28)
Lol. Just wondering.
Osiris
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17-Nov-2017(#29)
I like being an independent, then I get to vote in primaries of either party, more choices!

KASICH 2020!!!
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
* 17-Nov-2017(#30)
Dustin wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> Dustin wrote:
> |>> Ah yes, the democratic party, always known for their ability to use logic and
>> reason.
> |>> HA!
>>
>> Anyone here a registered Democrat?
>
> I'd be willing to bet that yankees is

I am a proud Liberal.
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
* 17-Nov-2017(#31)
Dustin wrote:
> Ah yes, the democratic party, always known for their ability to use logic and reason.
> HA!

And then you have the party that was looking for a moral leader who was a man of the people so they elected billionaire Donald "Grab them by the hooha" Trump as President.
Feeb
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17-Nov-2017(#32)
yankees7448 wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>> Feeb wrote:
> |>> Dustin wrote:
>> |>> Ah yes, the democratic party, always known for their ability to use logic
> and
> |>> reason.
>> |>> HA!
> |>>
> |>> Anyone here a registered Democrat?
>>
>> I'd be willing to bet that yankees is
>
> I am a proud Liberal.

🤔
Osiris
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17-Nov-2017(#33)
We still don't know if the Donald is really a billionaire, certainly talks a good game, everything is a historic accomplishment in his life.
Bravo!
Feeb
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* 17-Nov-2017(#34)
Scott Adams is worse. Never heard a man toot his own horn more than that douche.

Makes Deion Sanders seem humble.
DiamondDave
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* 17-Nov-2017(#35)
Osiris wrote:
> We still don't know if the Donald is really a billionaire, certainly talks a good
> game, everything is a historic accomplishment in his life.
> Bravo!

He's not a billionaire, at least if you look at his taxes I'm sure, which is why you'll never see them and why he lied about not being able to show them, and then misdirected to have an excuse to continue not showing them. Either he's lying to the feds or he's embellishing his financial accomplishments.

I wouldn't be surprised if he were broke, it's probably why he refused to give up the ghost when he was sworn in, because his name's all he's got left. But it's much more likely that you aren't seeing his taxes because he makes enough money that he can pretend he doesn't and not pay his share of taxes.
Dustin
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17-Nov-2017(#36)
Y'all want to see my taxes? I'm not a billionaire either.
DiamondDave
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* 17-Nov-2017(#37)
I bet yours are nice and boring like ours are. But your financials aren't tied to essentially what your public persona is. Don's claim to fame is "I'm rich, dog!" and he ran a campaign essentially saying "BECAUSE I'm Rich (dog), I can make this crap work, nobody can do this better than me, believe it." Which is probably why he was so adamant that nobody was going to actually SEE his financials.
Feeb
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* 17-Nov-2017(#38)
That's a bunch of bankruptcy. How does Trump stack up to the most bankrupts of all time?
Osiris
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* 17-Nov-2017(#39)
the most important reason for the tax release was to see debt and who paid to, and lots of bidness details about his involvement in foreign investments and partners. He does have conflicts with the Saudis, Turkey, possibly Russia and likely others. He didnt do the blind trust or divest, base didnt care.

First prez i know of who had serious financial interests in multiple foreign countries he determines policy on going into the job.
Just another special part of being the Donald.
DiamondDave
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* 17-Nov-2017(#40)
It's too complex and clouted for people to be bothered to care, and honestly every fudging big-time politician has paid-for foreign interests so when it gets down to where the bear craps in the woods, it's the same gosh darn thing. Clintons, Bushes, probably Obamas (though I honestly couldn't tell you what on the last part), Trumps, everyone's got skin in someone else's game. So I don't necessarily blame people for tuning it out, but on the other hand, This is THE LEGEND of Trump, so you'd wonder why he's so reluctant to show off what he's been up to lately. Normally.
Osiris
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17-Nov-2017(#41)
Dave, as corrupt as any players in previous admins may be or not, comparing the level of financial conflicts that trump has with other countries, some hostile to US interests, would be an apple to an orchard.
Mexico
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* 17-Nov-2017(#42)
yankees7448 wrote:
> DiamondDave wrote:
>> Mexico wrote:
> |>> yankees7448 wrote:
>> |>> Mexico wrote:
> |>> |>> yankees7448 wrote:
>> |>> |>> Mexico wrote:
>> |>> |>>
>> |>> No.
> |>>
> |>> why not?
>>
>> He has no idea why. That's like asking a deaf man what offends him about B flat
>> scale, he literally does not know.
>>
>> But fudge that noise.
>
> I know its a semi-automatic. I know enough about guns to know that is an M-14 (though
> it kinda looked like an M-1 Garand). F*cking gun nuts like to pull this lazy bait
> and switch. Show off a picture of an old model semi-automatic and catch anti-gun
> people into saying its ok only for the gun nut to jump in and say "YOU SEE.....You
> just don't want people to have AR-15 and AK-47s because they look scary.
>
> Been there done that. I've watched enough war movies, documentaries and played Call
> of Duty enough not to fall for it. That guy Mexico should try to find a more obscure
> countries weaponry if he wants to trick people. I may be a freedom hating liberal
> but I do know something about Merica's weapons.

The mini 14 is a newer, smaller, and lightweight semi automatic version of the m-14. The problem is people do not know enough about guns, it typically comes chambered in 5.56 nato (also takes .223).I have seen a couple of 42 round magazines floating in the wild but the most common are 10 and 30 round mags. You can change the furniture of the gun that does nothing to make it more lethal. You can add a scope to most guns.

image

> Handguns are legit personal defense.
> Shotguns are legit hunting weapons.
> Bolt action rifles are legit hunting weapons for skilled ranged shooters. (no huge
> calibers like .50 caliber or anything though. I know they make .50 caliber bolt actions
> as well.)

So now that we have proven you to know at least enough (from your CoD and Saving Private Ryan experience) to know that furniture does not make a gun more lethal what would your opinion be on this handgun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDmzTuN4Qo0

yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
17-Nov-2017(#43)
Mexico wrote:



>
> The mini 14 is a newer, smaller, and lightweight semi automatic version of the m-14.
> The problem is people do not know enough about guns, it typically comes chambered
> in 5.56 nato (also takes .223).I have seen a couple of 42 round magazines floating
> in the wild but the most common are 10 and 30 round mags. You can change the furniture
> of the gun that does nothing to make it more lethal. You can add a scope to most
> guns.

I am not sure by what you mean by furniture of a gun. It kind of sounds like you're talking about those features of a gun that lawmakers defined as characteristics of assault weapons that gun nuts deride as cosmentic features. Stuff like barrel shrouds, those pistol grip attachment on the rifles barrel etc.) I think they've generally underplayed how those attachment improve the lethality of a weapon. For instance, barrel shrouds protect the shooter from burning his hands holding the barrel. The more you shoot in a short time span the hotter the barrel gets. Limiting the effect of heat on the shooters hand allows him to shoot more often for longer periods of time. While I've never fired a rifle outside of a video game from the pictures I've seen I imagine that pistol grip under the barrel looks like it would improve accuracy. It just seems to me that the position of the hand holding the forward pistol grip is more natural and comfortable than holding the gun under the barrel. A more natural and comfortable grip makes it easier to handle the gun and shoot it more effectively. Collapsible stocks make rifles easier to conceal and use in close combat situations. I would imagine flash suppressors make it more difficult to to pinpoint the location of a shooter at range. The longer it takes for someone to find where you're shooting from the easier it is to kill them before they find you.

Weapons that allow you to accurately rain down shots against targets at distance are extremely dangerous and should not be in the hands of non-police or military. We've seen all to often recently what they are capable of in the hands of crazy people against soft targets.


> So now that we have proven you to know at least enough (from your CoD and Saving
> Private Ryan experience) to know that furniture does not make a gun more lethal what
> would your opinion be on this handgun
>
>
>

I think it looks cool as $hit but I don't think anyone should have it. It looks to me that it is more of a SMG than a true pistol. That's probably why the guy in the video refers to it on a couple of occasions as an AR-style pistol. I also think it looks a little cumbersome to reach for if you're half asleep and someone breaks into your home.
Mexico
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17-Nov-2017(#44)
yankees7448 wrote:
> Mexico wrote:
>
>
> I am not sure by what you mean by furniture of a gun. It kind of sounds like you're
> talking about those features of a gun that lawmakers defined as characteristics of
> assault weapons that gun nuts deride as cosmentic features. Stuff like barrel shrouds,
> those pistol grip attachment on the rifles barrel etc.) I think they've generally
> underplayed how those attachment improve the lethality of a weapon. For instance,

How lethal a gun is, is due to the caliber it is chambered for, ammo used, and person shooting it. 5.56 NATO is a round targeted to wound people (what the military mostly uses as a wounded solider requires medial attention and aid from his fellow soliders vs a dead one) which is why it is similar to .223 and .223 is not much different from .22. While initial velocity would be greater from shooting a rifle (longer barrel allows to bullet to spin more) penetration distance is roughly the same. Difference would be on impact and exit, a 9mm pistol would have greater exit impact while a 5.56 rifle would have a greater impact upon entry. Furniture (ex https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslis...) is the "scary" or "old" looking difference and attachments like forward assists that are there for comfort more than anything.

> barrel shrouds protect the shooter from burning his hands holding the barrel. The
> more you shoot in a short time span the hotter the barrel gets. Limiting the effect
> of heat on the shooters hand allows him to shoot more often for longer periods of

Stephen Paddock's guns had barrel shrouds and yet he still had to wear gloves due to the barrels overheating (which also messes up ballistics). Alternately other things he could have done is set the guns on pillows or use bipods or hold them from magwell.

> time. While I've never fired a rifle outside of a video game from the pictures I've
> seen I imagine that pistol grip under the barrel looks like it would improve accuracy.
> It just seems to me that the position of the hand holding the forward pistol grip
> is more natural and comfortable than holding the gun under the barrel. A more natural
> and comfortable grip makes it easier to handle the gun and shoot it more effectively.

Not really, here is an example of a guy bump firing the mini 14 ranch, look at the position of how he is holding the gun with his left hand - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gjmASo0byU

> Collapsible stocks make rifles easier to conceal and use in close combat situations.

You can take down a lot of rifles real fast, you can use a fixed folded stock, an arm brace, or go without.

> I would imagine flash suppressors make it more difficult to to pinpoint the location
> of a shooter at range. The longer it takes for someone to find where you're shooting
> from the easier it is to kill them before they find you.
>

Real life is quite different from the movies and games, flash hiders do not get rid of he flash but rather redirect it more outward from the user. Suppressors are not silencers but rather make it to wear you are not going to get tinnitus from shooting without ear protection.

> Weapons that allow you to accurately rain down shots against targets at distance
> are extremely dangerous and should not be in the hands of non-police or military.
> We've seen all to often recently what they are capable of in the hands of crazy people
> against soft targets.
>


So you want to do away with bolt action rifles then? What about lever action? If Paddock was going for accuracy with a higher caliber gun he would have killed a lot more people.

> I think it looks cool as $hit but I don't think anyone should have it. It looks to
> me that it is more of a SMG than a true pistol. That's probably why the guy in the
> video refers to it on a couple of occasions as an AR-style pistol. I also think it
> looks a little cumbersome to reach for if you're half asleep and someone breaks into
> your home.

That is a pistol due to barrel length and attachments due to classifications, AR15 is just a platform so it has the same basic mechanisms so that is why it is an AR15 pistol. Also since I am not sure if you know or not (it has been repeated here a lot), that AR stands for Armalite which is the company that designed the gun.
Feeb
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* 17-Nov-2017(#45)
Wrong. A knife can be a WMD in the right hands- especially if we define it by casualties inflicted.
Karaiya
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17-Nov-2017(#46)
Feeb wrote:
> Wrong. A knife can be a WMD in the right hands- especially if we define it by casualties
> inflicted.

Thats right gotta watch out for those radical ninjas. BAN THE JAPANESE.
MikeyWhoa
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17-Nov-2017(#47)
Karaiya wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> Wrong. A knife can be a WMD in the right hands- especially if we define it by
> casualties
>> inflicted.
>
> Thats right gotta watch out for those radical ninjas. BAN THE JAPANESE.


Ninjas in Montana are way more dangerous. Ban them instead.


Dustin
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17-Nov-2017(#48)
I have some badass knives
DiamondDave
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17-Nov-2017(#49)
Feeb
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17-Nov-2017(#50)
I only have decorative samurai swords and a cane knife. Both for cooking.
Dustin
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17-Nov-2017(#51)
I only have one sword, but it's made of valyrian steel, so it's pretty dope.
MikeyWhoa
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20-Nov-2017(#52)
This week in American shootings, a 5 year old accidentally shot a 3 year old. Kid is thankfully in stable condition.

Let freedom ring.


DiamondDave
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20-Nov-2017(#53)
If it was an accident, why is the investigation ongoing?

Was the gun locked up or not? Did the five year old have Homicide in their heart, should they be tried as an adult? Should the adults be tried as idiots?
Scots
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20-Nov-2017(#54)
Great story I saw the other day about a concealed carry guy who stopped a sexual assault/possible rape nearing a jogging trail.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2017/11/09/h...
Feeb
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20-Nov-2017(#55)
DiamondDave wrote:
> If it was an accident, why is the investigation ongoing?
>
> Was the gun locked up or not? Did the five year old have Homicide in their heart,
> should they be tried as an adult? Should the adults be tried as idiots?

Those are the questions they're probably trying to answer.
DiamondDave
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20-Nov-2017(#56)
These all sound like 5 second questions. "No, doubtful, maybe but we need to hook them up to a lie detector test first just to be sure and absolutely if #1 really was no". There's really not much to investigate here I think unless the question is "Well crap, we honestly have no idea where the gun came from, maybe the 5 year old crafted it"
Mexico
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20-Nov-2017(#57)
DiamondDave wrote:
> These all sound like 5 second questions. "No, doubtful, maybe but we need to hook
> them up to a lie detector test first just to be sure and absolutely if #1 really
> was no". There's really not much to investigate here I think unless the question
> is "Well crap, we honestly have no idea where the gun came from, maybe the 5 year
> old crafted it"

Most likely neglect charges will be brought against the parents along with other charges which could result in them losing custody of the kids.
Karaiya
Gold Good Trader Has Written 1 Review
20-Nov-2017(#58)
Scots wrote:
> Great story I saw the other day about a concealed carry guy who stopped a sexual
> assault/possible rape nearing a jogging trail.
>

Gotta be honest if I were a woman, which Im not and do not speak for, in this world I certainly would be armed.
Shane12m
Silver Good Trader
25-Nov-2017(#59)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> This week in American shootings, >">a 5 year old accidentally shot a 3 year old. Kid is thankfully in stable condition.
>
> Let freedom ring.
>
>
>

Fudge you and your constant snark man. You really make yourself sound incredibly ignorant when you spew nonsense like that. Its like you are the typical brain dead consumer of news who sees a bad headline, but is unable to understand that crap happens with anything. I can list a dozen positive stories for every negative you post while trying to act like only bad crap happens. Like others have posted guns can save lives, stop home invasions, deter criminals, and more. Please educate yourself.

Interesting piece of info for you as I know you hate guns so much, who do you think actually helps wildlife and animals more? Hunting Assotiation or PITA? Ill give you a hint; it's not PITA
Feeb
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25-Nov-2017(#60)
Triggered.
Shane12m
Silver Good Trader
25-Nov-2017(#61)
Feeb wrote:
> Triggered.

Okay..oh yeah it's the cool thing to just simply point stuff out. You sound like reddit
Dustin
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25-Nov-2017(#62)
Murder is only acceptable when it's a baby you're killing. Let freedom ring.
Feeb
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25-Nov-2017(#63)
Shane12m wrote:
> Feeb wrote:
>> Triggered.
>
> Okay..oh yeah it's the cool thing to just simply point stuff out. You sound like
> reddit

Irony. No one else pointed it out so I jumped on it.
MikeyWhoa
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25-Nov-2017(#64)
Shane12m wrote:
> Fudge you


Good start, snowflake.


> and your constant snark man. You really make yourself sound incredibly ignorant
> when you spew nonsense like that. Its like you are the typical brain dead consumer
> of news who sees a bad headline, but is unable to understand that crap happens with
> anything.


Typical. More offended by my internet response to the tragedy than the tragedy itself.


> I can list a dozen positive stories for every negative you post while trying
> to act like only bad crap happens.


Then why didn't you? It's a better argument then tapping out and screaming "Fudge you."


>Like others have posted guns can save lives, stop
> home invasions, deter criminals, and more.


I agree. Guns have saved lives, stopped home invasions. Fists have done the same. But I'm not sold on their ability to deter. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they seem to make criminals get a bigger gun.


> Please educate yourself.


We'll get to this.


>
> Interesting piece of info for you as I know you hate guns so much, who do you think
> actually helps wildlife and animals more? Hunting Assotiation or PITA? Ill give you
> a hint; it's not PITA


Firstly, it's PETA (Please educate yourself). Secondly, fudge PETA. Thirdly, no animals were harmed in the making of this murder. What exactly is your point here?


MikeyWhoa
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3-Feb-2018(#65)
I've been slacking. Missed a few weeks. This week poses a more difficult question.

Another school shooting involving a 12-year-old girl in LA. The bullet struck a 15-year-old girl in the wrist, and then a 15-year-old boy in the temple. Two others were injured by broken glass.

It turns out that the gun accidentally discharged while inside the girls backpack according to police.

Now I've heard, and mostly agreed with the notion that a gun doesn't shoot people, people shoot people. This case seems to disprove that point.

Is the gun responsible for hurting people in this situation, or is the young girl responsible?
Scots
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3-Feb-2018(#66)
Wow. Luckily nobody was killed.

And obviously, the girl was responsible, if that was a real question.
MikeyWhoa
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* 3-Feb-2018(#67)
Scots wrote:
> Wow. Luckily nobody was killed.
>
> And obviously, the girl was responsible, if that was a real question.


It was real. I think it's more difficult then you make it out to be. I mean, she didn't pull the trigger, why should she be held responsible for the injuries? A punishment justified for merely carrying a gun in a backpack?

On the other side, what were her motives? Did she intend to use it in a shooting? Was the story of her thinking it was a toy true?
Scots
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3-Feb-2018(#68)
The girl did everything possible to creat a recipe for an accident. Illegitimate possessor. Loose gun in backpack. No safety used. Dropped the backpack.

So yes, it was the girl's fault (and maybe the parents or anyone else who might not have done the their job as well).
Mexico
Double Gold Good Trader
3-Feb-2018(#69)
MikeyWhoa wrote:
> I've been slacking. Missed a few weeks. This week poses a more difficult question.
>
> Another school shooting involving a 12-year-old girl in LA. The bullet struck a >" title="www.google.com/amp/abc7.com/amp/12-year-old-girl-charged-in-westlake-school-shooting/3023846/
> others were injured by broken glass.
>
>
>
> Now I've heard, and mostly agreed with the notion that a gun doesn't shoot people,
> people shoot people. This case seems to disprove that point.
>
> Is the gun responsible for hurting people in this situation, or is the young girl
> responsible?

You still do not know how guns work? They are protecting this girl as there is no way dropping it would cause several accidental discharges. A trigger usually takes several lbs of pressure to pull so unless dropping it with one in the chamber and the hammer shifts somehow (improbable but not impossible) it would only cause the one in the chamber to be fired.
Dustin
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3-Feb-2018(#70)
Hard to believe that gun loaded up its magazine with bullets, racked its own slide, jumped in that girls backpack, then pulled its own trigger in the classroom. But yes, let's talk more about how the gun is at fault.
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
3-Feb-2018(#71)
It was clearly the bookbags fault guys. Wake up.
longhornsk57
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3-Feb-2018(#72)
Obviously Trump's fault, and are we really assuming this girls gender?
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
3-Feb-2018(#73)
longhornsk57 wrote:
> Obviously Trump's fault, and are we really assuming this girls gender?

No but I heard he/she was screaming Allah Akbar beforehand.
longhornsk57
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3-Feb-2018(#74)
yankees7448 wrote:
> longhornsk57 wrote:
>> Obviously Trump's fault, and are we really assuming this girls gender?
>
> No but I heard he/she was screaming Allah Akbar beforehand.

Weird she would because that's the religion of peace...
yankees7448
Bronze Good Trader
3-Feb-2018(#75)
longhornsk57 wrote:
> yankees7448 wrote:
>> longhornsk57 wrote:
> |>> Obviously Trump's fault, and are we really assuming this girls gender?
>>
>> No but I heard he/she was screaming Allah Akbar beforehand.
>
> Weird she would because that's the religion of peace...
Does it matter that she was chewing on a piece of bacon while she said it?
longhornsk57
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3-Feb-2018(#76)
yankees7448 wrote:
> longhornsk57 wrote:
>> yankees7448 wrote:
> |>> longhornsk57 wrote:
>> |>> Obviously Trump's fault, and are we really assuming this girls gender?
> |>>
> |>> No but I heard he/she was screaming Allah Akbar beforehand.
>>
>> Weird she would because that's the religion of peace...
> Does it matter that she was chewing on a piece of bacon while she said it?

Fake news
MikeyWhoa
GameTZ Subscriber Double Gold Good Trader
4-Feb-2018(#77)
Dustin wrote:
> Hard to believe that gun loaded up its magazine with bullets, racked its own slide,
> jumped in that girls backpack, then pulled its own trigger in the classroom. But
> yes, let's talk more about how the gun is at fault.


I don't know what happened besides what's being reported in the Fox News article. But isn't it possible that the gun was already prepared to shoot when she found it and placed it her bag?

And I asked IF the gun was at fault in this situation. I'm not arguing that it was. I mean, guns can accidentally discharge right? Or is this a myth? I'll be the first to admit that I know very little about guns.

This isn't your average shooting situation. The police are saying that the gun discharged accidentally while in the bag. And only discharged once if I'm not mistaken. It's not me making up information. Once again, I'm just sharing.

Or are we going with @Mexico's theory that the cops are fabricating this story to protect the shooter from charges? I mean, it's possible I suppose. I'm open to look at any evidence suggesting this. Evidence. Not self-drawn conclusions and theories.
MikeyWhoa
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* 4-Feb-2018(#78)
I did the looking myself on accidental or negligent discharged, because let's face it, you boys only share memes. Here's the info if anyone is interested.

Scots
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4-Feb-2018(#79)
If you're using the terms accidental and negligent interchangeably, then the answer is in the word. It requires negligence on behalf of the person for it to happen.

Yes, the gun "went off" without someone purposefully pulling the trigger, but the girl did everything possible in the situation to create the scenario for it to happen.

There was a guy who had a .380 in his pocket, and put his keys in the same pocket. He went to pull his keys out, and tripped the trigger and shot himself in the leg.
Osiris
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* 4-Feb-2018(#80)
read that one shot fired, 2 people seriously hit, 2 other people wounded, 1 person hurt another way.lots of harm for one bullet, hope more detail is forthcoming.

if you have kids in the home, you make the determination that having a weapon for home and personal defense outweighs the risk of weapon in the home. I would imagine most parents would have gun safes, of course there is the problem of quick access if you are threatened

if you think the potential need for a personal weapon is insignificant, you could use passive home defenses and get personal hand to hand training, if the weapon need is more, you take the risk and are vigilant on both fronts.

i want to read more details on the family how and why this happened

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