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Topic   Diablo 4 and Diablo 2 remastered

MrBean
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26-Oct-2019(#1)
Damn you targeted Facebook advertising. For the love of God I hope this is true. D2 remastered? Holy fudge yes!

https://www.ladbible.com/technology/gaming-diablo-...
DefaultGen
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27-Oct-2019(#2)
I will definitely return to D2 for a while in HD, although honestly Path of Exile was the one game that finally bested D2 in the genre IMO.

Tad
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27-Oct-2019(#3)
I would definitely check it out. If I can ever get a current spec/gaming laptop.

AceMatt
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27-Oct-2019(#4)
I'd love a Diablo 2 remastered, as long as it's more of a graphical update with maybe some modern quality of life improvements, but not if it would be a complete overhaul to make the gameplay feel like Diablo 3. I love action-RPGs but I really didn't enjoy D3 at all. It felt way too simplified for my tastes.
Kommie
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27-Oct-2019(#5)
Wonder if this is an attempt to save face from all the controversy with their Chinese Overlords.
Kommie
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27-Oct-2019(#6)
Guess you don't know, Tencent, a Chinese government owned company owns like 40% of Blizzard, some pro tour person for Hearthstone showed support of the Hong Kong protests. Chinese Overlords make Blizzard ban the guy, guy eventually gets unbanned and winnings back. It's been mayhem since.
Roko
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* 27-Oct-2019(#7)
Earlier this month, Blitzchung won the Hearthstone Grandmasters Tournament, and after his victory, the casters gave him an opportunity to offer a closing statement and he said "Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our time/age." (slight variation depending on the translation)
After that, Blizzard:
a) Revoked Blitzchung's Grandmaster status
b) Stripped him of his $10,000 prize money
c) Banned him from all pro-play for a year
d) Permanently blacklisted the casters from ever participating at a Blizzard event again.

In response to this, the internet went fudging nuts and everyone from reddit to US Congresspeople across the political spectrum were condemning Blizzard for their actions, and the internet being what it is, started memeing. Blizzard was prioritizing the Chinese market over human rights and so people turned Mei from Overwatch into a Pro-Hong Kong symbol in an attempt to get Blizzard banned in China (sadly, didn't work) and after a few days, they issued a statement saying, paraphrased, "we jumped the gun and overreacted, our bad." and gave Blitzchung his money and title back and reduced the sentence on both him and the casters to six months.

After that, a lot of the buzz settled down but since then, they've banned (last I checked) an additional 3 people for supporting Hong Kong so they very obviously haven't changed their views. I've personally uninstalled all Blizzard games, Battle.net, and cancelled all existing subscriptions, but I understand some people don't feel as strongly about it.

That said, Tencent only owns 5% of Activision-Blizzard, so what they did was done out of pure greed in an attempt to satisfy China. While I won't defend it, Riot is 100% owned by Tencent so it's at least a little bit more understandable why they chat-restricted anything relating to Hong Kong during Worlds this year.

About Blitzchung's ban

Blizzard's Statement

Example of Mei memes

The reason for the statement which was recently killed after 7 months of protests in Hong Kong.
Kommie
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27-Oct-2019(#8)
Yeah, I think it's Epic that's 40% Tencent owned. Either way, fudge Blizzard.
MrBean
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27-Oct-2019(#9)
Kommie wrote:
> Guess you don't know, Tencent, a Chinese government owned company owns like 40% of
> Blizzard, some pro tour person for Hearthstone showed support of the Hong Kong protests.
> Chinese Overlords make Blizzard ban the guy, guy eventually gets unbanned and winnings
> back. It's been mayhem since.

Ah, I read basics here, didn't understand the Chinese relation. Interesting.
MrBean
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27-Oct-2019(#10)
@SpaceVentura - great synopsis, thanks!
Roko
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* 27-Oct-2019(#11)
No problem! I've got a buddy from Hong Kong who's parents have been basically forced indoors for the past half year due to the protests, so I want to at least raise awareness for what's going on over there. It's been escalating a lot the past month or two with increased police violence and it's really spooky.
Finn
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28-Oct-2019(#12)
Honestly, I don't care enough to uninstall any Blizzard game. I am having to much fun with WoW Classic as it's the only game my sister plays and have been having a blast when she is on... it's really the only time we get to just talk and have fun since she lives so far away... But I totally respect your decision and issues in Hong Kong obviously hit closer to home for you.

These are also not so much a save face announcement as they have been rumored for a number of years now. I know it's something the Diablo community has been asking for for years! (the remaster)....

The one thing I don't get really is all the hate that D3 got. I put in probably 300 hours of game play in on the PC version and what seemed to be forever on the PS4 (it was a grind to get the Plat for sure) and while it's been a number of years I did play the snot out of D2 also, even bought the CE. Out side of a few differences it seemed like more of the same. Maybe I have to really go back and play D2 to get more of a feel... but I just never understood the hate.



TripleElbow
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28-Oct-2019(#13)
The D2 lovers-D3 haters often describe D3 as dumbed down or simplified and dislike the lack of strategy and challenge that results. Now I enjoy both games (I am easy to please lol) but I can kind of see their point.

Remember in D2, you were the one who had to assign stats and skill points when leveling up. Skill points were limited in number too . You basically have to commit to your build or start over. In D3, you eventually get all skills and can mix,match, and change them as you please.

Challenge wise, sets in D2 were far weaker and the really powerful items (cough* runes for runeword items) were really hard to get legit. I remember the higher difficulty levels in D2 being harder. In D3, once you get a complete set you can pretty much blow through higher torment levels.
Kommie
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28-Oct-2019(#14)
someone on 4Chan who leaked some Blizzard info on Overwatch 2 and WoW back in June also leaked some Diablo 4 info, it's a first person shooter in the Overwatch engine, that's intended to be a "Destiny killer". Yeah, they totally know how to please Diablo fans.
Kommie
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28-Oct-2019(#15)
https://i.imgur.com/I1qsdJk.png

This is a summary of the leaks, this was in June and the stuff involving WoW Races and Overwatch 2 happened.
MrBean
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28-Oct-2019(#16)
Kommie wrote:
> someone on 4Chan who leaked some Blizzard info on Overwatch 2 and WoW back in June
> also leaked some Diablo 4 info, it's a first person shooter in the Overwatch engine,
> that's intended to be a "Destiny killer". Yeah, they totally know how to please Diablo
> fans.

That sounds awesome!
Kommie
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28-Oct-2019(#17)
Can't tell if you're serious, the idea seems cool but don't call it Diablo. But they will for name recognition.
MrBean
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29-Oct-2019(#18)
Definitely serious but doubt it'd happen. Also, this:

https://kotaku.com/sources-blizzard-cancels-starcr...

Is Diablo mobile still happening?
DefaultGen
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29-Oct-2019(#19)
MrBean wrote:
> Definitely serious but doubt it'd happen. Also, this:
>
>

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Uppercat
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1-Nov-2019(#20)
Laughs in Path of Exile
Shane12m
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1-Nov-2019(#21)
Uppercat wrote:
> Laughs in Path of Exile

Idk. Couldn't get into it. Loved d2 back in the day but POE felt so dull. Yeah you could make crazy builds but it just wasn't fun and felt super dated for me. D3 on the other hand has been a blast whenever I play it. The think I disliked about d2 anyways was being locked into a sucky build and you couldn't really experiment unless you were okay grinding a new character if it ended up sucking
Kommie
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1-Nov-2019(#22)
The problem with Path of Exile is you have to meticulously plan out your build. There's no re-spec from what I remember.
DefaultGen
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* 1-Nov-2019(#23)
Kommie wrote:
> The problem with Path of Exile is you have to meticulously plan out your build. There's
> no re-spec from what I remember.

There's a respec currency that drops pretty regularly (way, way more than you would ever need especially if you pre-plan builds). POE's main problem is that it sucks for first time players, I didn't really start enjoying it at least until I played through the game once. The currency and skill systems are overwhelming. Trading is mostly done through third party tools. Item drops make no sense until you install an item filter. You literally need to learn to ignore 99.9% of drops because it's all useless and there's no "GP" type currency you can sell vendor trash for. It's counterintuitive if you're a hoarder and want to try to sell everything.

Most isometric action RPGs are essentially Diablo clones so you already understand progression and drops before you start playing, POE is really different.

klusion
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1-Nov-2019(#24)
DefaultGen wrote:
> Kommie wrote:
>> The problem with Path of Exile is you have to meticulously plan out your build.
> There's
>> no re-spec from what I remember.
>
> There's a respec currency that drops pretty regularly (way, way more than you would
> ever need especially if you pre-plan builds). POE's main problem is that it sucks
> for first time players, I didn't really start enjoying it at least until I played
> through the game once. The currency and skill systems are overwhelming. Trading is
> mostly done through third party tools. Item drops make no sense until you install
> an item filter. You literally need to learn to ignore 99.9% of drops because it's
> all useless and there's no "GP" type currency you can sell vendor trash for. It's
> counterintuitive if you're a hoarder and want to try to sell everything.
>
> Most isometric action RPGs are essentially Diablo clones so you already understand
> progression and drops before you start playing, POE is really different.
>
>

Never played POE, but I think I have it in my Steam library. Why are so many of the drops useless?

DefaultGen
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* 1-Nov-2019(#25)
klusion wrote:
> Never played POE, but I think I have it in my Steam library. Why are so many of the
> drops useless?
>

Everything explodes into loot and you can only carry so much of it. It's not worth wasting time selling trash loot to vendors, it's much better to just keep killing dudes until something worth picking up comes along.

This is about as extreme of an example as is possible but 0:45 shows a crazy amount of drops with no filter. With a filter in place, depending on how you have it configured, the game would hide everything that has zero chance of being decent based on base type/item level/sockets/rarity so you only see things that have a chance to be usable/sellable and currency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXvZXg4HBPI

klusion
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1-Nov-2019(#26)
That's horrible.

Kommie
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1-Nov-2019(#27)
Diablo 4 gameplay released, it's not a FPS like was said earlier in this topic.
DefaultGen
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1-Nov-2019(#28)
Well I watched the trailer and I don't know what I expected. It looks like a big budget fancy action RPG. Gotta wait for details on the skills and items and endgame and all that to see what's new.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=172&v=...

There's also a 10 minute long entirely cinematic trailer that contains a bunch of crap no one really cares about.

MrBean
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1-Nov-2019(#30)
AHHHHHH, so excited! Fudge yeah!
Kommie
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1-Nov-2019(#31)
Cinematic trailer, as if people play Diablo or any Blizzard game for story.
Dasgessabel
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1-Nov-2019(#32)
I don't necessarily play them for the story, but I DO like their cinematics because I've played Blizz games for years. I thought the cinematics in Diablo 3 were great, as an example.
Finn
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1-Nov-2019(#33)
I actually really enjoy how Blizzard tells a story. I really enjoyed WoW for that, though apparently the last two expansions it really went downhill (never played em).

Diablo 4 looks awesome, is it also releasing on consoles? I D3 on both and actually preferred the console versions.

Bleed_DukeBlue
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1-Nov-2019(#34)
Yep! Diablo 4 is confirmed for PS4 and Xbox One.

Finn wrote:
> I actually really enjoy how Blizzard tells a story. I really enjoyed WoW for that,
> though apparently the last two expansions it really went downhill (never played em).
>
>
> Diablo 4 looks awesome, is it also releasing on consoles? I D3 on both and actually
> preferred the console versions.
>
>
Finn
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1-Nov-2019(#35)
Awesome!

MrBean
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3-Nov-2019(#36)
Kommie
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3-Nov-2019(#37)
Did they actually announce Diablo 2 remaster?
MrBean
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3-Nov-2019(#38)
Kommie wrote:
> Did they actually announce Diablo 2 remaster?

Doesn't look like it: https://gamerant.com/diablo-2-remastered-missing-s...
Finn
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4-Nov-2019(#39)
I thought they announced an original diablo remaster awhile back, it looks like there was one (kind of) but it's a partnership with GoG. Apparently the game is released exactly the same way it was in 1996... bot really a remaster but tweaked to work on Windows 10 PC's. I could have sworn they announced an official remaster of the original though.





MrBean
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5-Nov-2019(#40)
Diablo Immortal update. Was stoked about it last year when everyone cried. Still excited for it now! Finally a mobile game worth the time!

https://youtu.be/8wmQm0qhZ94
Kommie
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5-Nov-2019(#41)
No mobile game is worth playing, IMO.
Kommie
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11-Nov-2019(#42)
Diablo 2 remaster cancelled rumored, from fear of Diablo 4 sales being bad from the D2 remaster.
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* 11-Nov-2019(#43)
Finn wrote:
> I thought they announced an original diablo remaster awhile back, it looks like there
> was one (kind of) but it's a partnership with GoG. Apparently the game is released
> exactly the same way it was in 1996... bot really a remaster but tweaked to work
> on Windows 10 PC's. I could have sworn they announced an official remaster of the
> original though.
>

Nah, this is it. Really quality port though, scales to high definition very, very well. Did my first two playthroughs on the GoG release, it was amazing. Still haven't beaten it with a mage though.

I'd be fine with a GoG upscale on D2 myself, I don't need a remaster of all these games, just make them playable on newer rigs.
MrBean
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17-Dec(#44)
Looks like Immortal is getting some good press. Pretty excited about this.

https://www.androidcentral.com/diablo-immortal-han...
Bleed_DukeBlue
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18-Dec(#45)
Challenge accepted. 1) I like playing really old RPGs on my phone. I actually beat Final Fantasy IV on mobile this year. It looked great, and it made the grind way more tolerable because I could just play a few fights here and there and there was an auto battle option. 2) There are some awesome slow burn roguelikes on mobile. I'm playing Pirate Outlaws right now (card-based, similar to Slay the Spire), and the touch controls make it easier and more fun to play on mobile. Both of the aforementioned games were also super cheap.

Kommie wrote:
> No mobile game is worth playing, IMO.
akfa
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18-Dec(#46)
sweet, i'm down for sure.
Kommie
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18-Dec(#47)
Have you guys heard about Hearthstone?

image

With Blizzard's recent going ons, replace Hearthstone with Diablo Immortal.

It's gonna be an ATM machine game.

MrBean
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18-Dec(#48)
haha @Kommie - well, at least it's not going to be pay to win, like they tried to do with D3 at the start.
MrBean
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* 28-Feb(#49)
So recent news is amazing! So excited for D2 remastered. One of my all time favorite games. Will absolutely play cross platform between PC and Switch (travel).

I haven't yet watched anything for D4, not sure I want to see anything prior to release.
Finn
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1-Mar(#50)
Cross progression is nice, but it be great if Cross play was enabled. I will be getting it regardless. Probably PS5, PC crap the bed and I can't find a damn RTX 3060 to save my life. It's the only thing holding me back on a PC build.
MrBean
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1-Mar(#51)
Kinda surprise that no cross play exists, odd. Wonder if that'll happen at a later time.
Finn
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1-Mar(#52)
They are saying it could come later... But it's wierd that Cross progression is there at the start but cross play is not there. Wonder if it's balancing issues between console and PC?
MrBean
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2-Mar(#53)
I mean you can cross play between PC and console for FPS and PC is clearly more dominant (typically). Not as big of a gap with Diablo.

Topic   Diablo 4 and Diablo 2 remastered