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16-May-2017(#1)
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Surge came out today. so far not bad. very nioh and bloodborn feel as in fast combat. switching limbs takes some getting used to.

Phantom Dust remaster is supposed to be out today for free.

injustice came out today as well. grabbed that on my ps4 though,
tonymack21
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* 9-May(#2)
will it actually create features or is it just going to allow them to do things that would have been unrealistic to load before? like could you use an external HDD and it just take a long time to load?

i think they also thinking about the masses who probably dont revisit games a lot when they are done with them

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* 9-May(#3)
tonymack21 wrote:
> will it actually create features or is it just going to allow them to do things that
> would have been unrealistic to load before? like could you use an external HDD
> and it just take a long time to load?
>
> i think they also thinking about the masses who probably dont revisit games a lot
> when they are done with them
>
>

As of now they're talking about game features being reliant on the new SSD tech. One example given was that city traversal speed in Spiderman had to regulated in order to allow for parts of the city to load while you were web swinging, so they had to moderate your traversal speed to the limitations of how fast the game could pull information from the consoles HDD. Recently, a Sony Spokesman said: "An ultra-high-speed SSD is the key enabling creators to build new and unique gameplay experiences.", so if you don't have your game loaded on that proprietary SSD then it sounds like you may be missing out on gameplay experiences. The X2 is also rumored to have an SSD included as well (talks are that the OS loads from dead shutoff to the home page in 5 seconds which is down from its current 45 seconds), so it sounds like super fast SSDs are going to be the norm for next gen and may cause issues for those who hook up external 5200rpm HDDs.
tonymack21
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9-May(#4)
and download sizes are likely to only get bigger and bigger, unless the machines and drives will be so fast they can be compressed and the system can extract it with no noticable lag time? im not sure it works that way or not. but if something like a current gen game like rdr2 can be a hundred gigs then will a next been 200? or more? ps3 sizes were often less than 10? and now most are 40 or more? its gone up a ton, higher rez and 4k should be some pretty huge files.

Frank
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9-May(#5)
Yeah that Xbox One S ADE is a giant fail. A savy shopper would just buy the One S on sale. I'm sure they will phase out the regular S in retail environments to make it look like a better deal vs the One X (at MSRP of course).

Microsoft has been making so really nice pro consumer choices, this just isn't one of them.

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9-May(#6)
Ya manufacturing an ADE seems pretty stupid unless it automatically gives big percentage discounts on games or offers something other than some weak ass slightly under One S retail price.

This seems like such a waste.
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* 9-May(#7)
I hope some type of compression system is in place come next gen, because, at the looks of things, as more sophisticated as games are becoming, that only means more depth and the larger scale it is going to be required and unless better compression is integrated, then I think we may be looking at 100GB install minimums come next gen. 4TB HDD's might become the average standard and/or necessary purchase for next gen systems.
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9-May(#8)
I am wondering if they can do 1TB system SSDs and like a 2TB HDD integrated for things that don't need to be pulled as fast.
Frank
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9-May(#9)
At the very least, they should have made the fudging thing a lot thinner. This model seems unnecessarily chunky.

tonymack21
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9-May(#10)
the all digitial would likely be very attractive to the right crowd for the right price, at 169 i thnk they would have sold a lot of them. we use pretty much all digital games at our house, the kids can easily share that way basically just the way gamesharing works. daughters xbox is my home, and then my son just logs in my account and then signs in his own, and he plays the games as himself. they play the same game, together at the same time, for one purchase. so digital is best for us.

sadly this locks me out of my xbox while they are playing, as if i sign in he gets signed out, im really hoping for better family sharing in the future.


dustin11
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9-May(#11)
I was listing to some talk about that on some podcasts recently and they were saying that compression has come a long way and its likely that's going to become even a bigger thing next gen, so while we're likely to see game sizes get larger its unlikely that they're going to be an increase like last gen was to now which is often times an increase of around 6x.
tonymack21
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9-May(#12)
ya i dont remember the last full retail game i installed that was less than 40 or so. many being bigger than that.


dustin11
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9-May(#13)
Once more retailers have them I'm sure the price of the ADE will become really affordable and will be easily found for around $150.
tonymack21
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* 9-May(#14)
thats def a sweet spot price. id consider adding one to our setup for that probably, though you can get used one s all day for around that? i think they're gonna get a false reading on the interest for something like this if they dont price it right

dustin11
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9-May(#15)
I guess Sekiro was only 12.5gb, Rage 2 Is going to clock in at just shy of 31gb, DMC5 is about 33gb, RE2 is about 21gb, Kingdom Hearts 3 is about 36gb. Seems like EA and UBIsoft games are all around 40+ though, and I think Gears 4 with the X patch is the winner at something like 110gb.
dustin11
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9-May(#16)
I think when it comes down to it, MS can probably just pull user stats to see how many people buy/use digital games vs physical and get a more definitive idea about interest from that. The ADE is just a really strange release that I don't think we'll see its true place in the market for around 3 months from now when its real market value is realized and priced accordingly.
tonymack21
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9-May(#17)
it seems like a great product to also market to the current customer base as a secondary unit, but i havent seen much of that.

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* 9-May(#18)
Or as primarily a streaming/entertainment box, but maybe they want to avoid the "TV, TV, TV, TV" thing from the beginning of the generation. I bought an S for that purpose a few black Fridays ago and its worked out really well for that. My old Roku couldn't do 1080p (let alone 4k) so I had to upgrade, and for like $80 more than buying a new Roku I could buy a brand new S, kind of a no brainer. Black Friday we're probably going to see these things at $100-150 easy.
tonymack21
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9-May(#19)
ya at 100 i would def get one as an additonal and for the kids to take to grandmas as they spend a lot of time in the summers there while schools out and im working and they dont have to carry their xbox back and forth

Frank
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9-May(#20)
I still wouldn't get one, but at $100 that would sell like hotcakes!

dustin11
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10-May(#21)
The Initiative just hired Ryan Robert who previously was a game designer for Uncharted 3, The Last of Us, Uncharted 4, and The Last of Us Part II. that now brings their notable recent hires to:

Former Crystal Dynamics studio head: Darrell Gallagher
Former God of War Lead Level Designer: Chris O'Neill
Sunset Overdrive Director: Drew Murray
Grand Theft Auto V Technical Director: Tom Shepherd
Rise of the Tomb Raider Lead Producer: Brian Westergaard
Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light Director: Dan Neuberger
Tomb Raider Technical Art Director: Joe Stinchcomb
SpaceX Senior Software Engineer: Ben Diamand
Red Dead Redemption Lead Designer and Writer: Christian Cantamessa
TalonJedi87
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10-May(#22)
That is a pretty hefty ass cast there. Let's hope something fantastic comes out of it!
dustin11
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13-May(#23)
Sounds like Game Pass is doing a lot better than most people were expecting. Current reports are that its at close to 10 million users which make it about 2.5x bigger all other similar video game subscription plans combined. Not all of those users are on monthly subs though, probably quite a few who are on the $1/month promos, but that's still significantly more users than I would expect and good news since now GP could have more money funneled its way for newer, better, and games.
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14-May(#24)
If anyone is looking to try GamePass cheap, I have a 1 month pass/code that I don't think I will use. PM if interested. I know this isn't the normal place to post this.

dustin11
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16-May(#25)
Sony moving their next gen streaming platform to Azure network AKA XCloud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKej4tZpvoI
tonymack21
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16-May(#26)
dustin11 wrote:
> Sony moving their next gen streaming platform to Azure network AKA XCloud.
>

hmmm. interesting

dustin11
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16-May(#27)
tonymack21 wrote:
> dustin11 wrote:
>> Sony moving their next gen streaming platform to Azure network AKA XCloud.
>>
>
> hmmm. interesting
>
>

Its like what I was saying a while back, Sony could not compete with MS once things move to the cloud. MS has about 2x more money invested in data centers around the world than Sony is worth as a company, so they could not afford to just build out more data centers to compete and they would need to do something or be left behind. Joining with MS is very interesting indeed, and with the talk of XCloud making its way to Nintendo a few months back means that MS may be the primary player in the streaming future of games.

Also, now its MS + Sony vs Google Stadia, lol. Bye Google.
TalonJedi87
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16-May(#28)
Stadia was a joke to begin with. Half the globe can't keep up with those ridiculous connections to stream their content. That thing will be D.O.A. MS and Sony working together is mighty interesting though.
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16-May(#29)
Yeah, Stadia looked like trash from the first minute into their conference. Azure has far more data centers available and is natively compatible with every Xbox game without any additional coding. Now Azure looks like it may be the streaming platform that will have X2, PS5, and Switch which will be pretty crazy moving forward. I was wondering what cloud network that Sony was going to chose as their streaming platform (since they can't continue using the 3-legged dog known as Gaikai or whatever its called), but I was expecting them to choose Amazon TBH.
tonymack21
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16-May(#30)
i figured a partnership with amazon was coming as well, im glad they chose XCloud though and didnt let the xbox vs ps rivalry taint their logic

dustin11
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16-May(#31)
From what I was hearing, AWS make more money than Azure but Azure has more server farms worldwide and is the "premium option" which is probably why Sony went with MS. We use AWS at work and its such trash, its actually unbelievable how bad it is for being the highest grossing cloud infrastructure in the world.
TalonJedi87
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17-May(#32)
I guess the enemy (MS) of my enemy (Google) is the tactic Sony is going with here. I would love to see if this partnership blossoms into something more in the future too. Perhaps they might even learn to like one another almost as much as MS and Ninty do with each other to collaborate on other projects too.
dustin11
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* 17-May(#33)
I think that Sony knew that their current servers wont' cut it going forward (720p @ 30fps and not available world wide) and had to find a partner or be left behind. MS makes sense on account that they understand gaming and gaming needs better than Amazon or Google. Azure is also better than AWS or Google's cloud infrastructures.
Frank
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18-May(#34)
Strange world we live in.

dustin11
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19-May(#35)
3-months of game pass on sale for $12. You can stack and get an entire year for $48......or essentially the same price as 1 new game after GCU.

https://www.cdkeys.com/xbox-live/memberships/3-mon...
TalonJedi87
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* 19-May(#36)
This is vastly interesting.

https://gamerant.com/microsoft-e3-2019-leak/

Microsoft E3 2019 Lineup
Halo Infinite -- New trailer with holiday 2020 release date

Gears 5 -- Full gameplay reveal with September release date

Gears Tactics -- New trailer with release date

Ori and the Will of the Wisps -- New trailer with release date

Bleeding Edge -- New IP from Ninja Theory, will be cross-gen sci-fi game

The Outer Worlds -- New trailer and release date

Cyberpunk 2077 -- Gameplay trailer and release window reveal
Age of Empires 4 -- Gameplay reveal, 2020 release date

Fable Reboot -- Tease for next-gen Fable game, but the game itself is exclusive to next-gen Xbox for likely release in 2021

Sea of Thieves -- New content

Battletoads -- Gameplay and release date
Project xCloud -- Info dump

Next-Gen Xbox -- Baseline of specs

Third Party Games
MechAssault -- New MechAssault game reveal

Forza Motorsport -- Tease for next-gen Forza

New Capcom Game -- Rumored to be Resident Evil 3 remake or maybe even a new Dino Crisis game

More Japanese Dev Games

longhornsk57
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19-May(#37)
You had me at battle toads
TalonJedi87
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19-May(#38)
Heck it had me at Mechassault. Half that list is win freakin' win.
dustin11
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20-May(#39)
I think I heard of this list earlier this week. Its the wish list of a well known leaker who goes by the name Clobrial. If this ends up being close to what their e3 is then I'll come away pretty happy.
TalonJedi87
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20-May(#40)
Good to know. If half of this list comes true I will call it a successful E3 showing for them by far.
dustin11
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20-May(#41)
Yeah, some of those things would be awesome to see. I would like to see something Forza 8 related but I think they just started the beginnings of production of that game and took a few years off to upgrade the engine to accommodate next gen hardware. It was already one of the more impressive engines being used right now because it could do native 4k @ 60fps on the X which makes it one only a handful of games capable of doing that. I think Gears 5 is supposed to be 4k @ 60fps as well.

Still hoping something Banjo Kazooie related. Probably won't happen but I'm going to hope for that every single E3.
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20-May(#42)
I love Forza but I'm cool if they hold it back for next-gen, maybe even past launch for a second-batch of titles. That series needs some time to breathe....I believe there have been 6 Forza games this gen (5,6,7,FH2,FH3,FH4)....and that's too many, even if they are so damn great.
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20-May(#43)
I don't mind them being annual like they've been as I've bought every forza game made so far and will continue to do so, but now is a good time to stop and focus some extra energy on next gen. I think they need to have this game at launch to bolster a more diverse launch lineup and have offerings there day 1. Not point in getting the newest Xbox is there won't be any games worth while available. With a game like Forza there is probably a lot less worth that needs to go into sequels then games from other genres because they already have a lot of the assets on hand from car/track scans & 3d models to a good driving physics engine. most of what needs to happen with these games is to model new cars from that year (each car takes Turn10 6-months of man hours to fully model) and refine their existing assets within their engine.
Anxiouz
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20-May(#44)
Fair points. I can definitely see Forza as a lunch title and think that would be a smart move.
TalonJedi87
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20-May(#45)
My friend just sent me this article about Microsoft making Playstation 6, which I cannot make heads or tails of. Is this perhaps foreshadowing Sony's future?

https://ogn.theonion.com/in-major-blow-to-sony-s-u...
dustin11
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20-May(#46)
That's the Onion though......
tonymack21
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20-May(#47)
lol, ya def a joke article if its the onion. i did see something today that said members of the playstation division were surprised when they heard the news they'd be using xcloud and partnering with MS, but it makes the most sense to use the best service.

dustin11
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20-May(#48)
I heard a rumor today that Nintendo is exploring the potential of putting some of their stuff on XCloud as well. That kind of brings up an interesting thought about the future of gaming. What if/when streaming become the only option and hardware goes away in the future? We'll potentially have Nintendo, MS, and PlayStation on a single platform (XCloud). That would be some really interesting stuff.
tonymack21
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20-May(#49)
something else to add to the monthly stuff like crunchyroll and hulu. it just still seems like they will need to offer downloads for several more years.. just huge chunks of the world without the internet to stream.

dustin11
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20-May(#50)
Yeah, still big chunks of the world without internet......but then again, are those parts of the world also your average video game consumer who buys games day 1? I'm guessing that they most likely aren't. I think that most gamers have reliable internet available all though those who do just may not have the best speeds but in 10-15...possibly 20, theres a good chance they will. I only have 40mbps at my current house but I have access to far more, I just don't want to pay for it.
tonymack21
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21-May(#51)
ya i have gigabit, and at times even that doesnt seem fast enough, of course you never get it on a single device, thats the kicker too. i figure most gamers do have internet and probably decent internet, i also meant its likely they just dont have the dependability and speed. at peak times i def notice mine slowing when every kid in town is playing fortnite.

Anxiouz
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21-May(#52)
dustin11 wrote:
> 3-months of game pass on sale for $12. You can stack and get an entire year for $48......or
> essentially the same price as 1 new game after GCU.
>

Thanks! It's $15 now but still a steal. $5/mth is nothing!
dustin11
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21-May(#53)
Radiant Silvergun is $7.50 throughout this next week. I've been waiting on this one to go on sale for quite a while.
TalonJedi87
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21-May(#54)
More rumors that the creator of Game of Thrones is working with Japanese game developers, one of which could be From Software on a video game. Hopefully E3 will show us what's up.

https://www.playstationtrophies.org/news/news-2796...
tonymack21
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* 21-May(#55)
just read the same, the game is said to be a collab with miyazaki with from software and its to be shown at microsofts E3 press conference. this is leak more or less.. not an announcement, so it may not be 100% accuarate. hes def been consulting on the game, but as far as what it is that may be not accurate i mean


https://gematsu.com/2019/05/george-rr-martin-ive-c...



dustin11
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21-May(#56)
I would be leery of anything coming from Spawn Wave though, that guy is kind of an idiot and has a lot of misinformation on his youtube videos regarding rumors or theories.
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* 21-May(#57)
dustin11 wrote:
> I would be leery of anything coming from Spawn Wave though, that guy is kind of an
> idiot and has a lot of misinformation on his youtube videos regarding rumors or theories.
>

The latest info has nothing to do with him though. As I posted in the GoT topic last night, Martin mentioned hes been doing work with a Japanese game dev on his personal blog. And then since he posted that, gematsu figured it was okay to say that they've spoken to someone from within From who gave them the info. If you read the second paragraph of the article you'd have known that. They just mentioned the thing in March of his, because it probably means he did actually have valid info on this one thing.


EDIT: didn't mean for that to sound as antagonistic is it sounded to me upon a second reading. Or does it even sound that way. I don't know. I've been arguing all day with people at work and now everything sounds like an argument to me. What ever.
dustin11
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21-May(#58)
Oh my mistake. I just saw mention of Spawn Wave and stopped reading it because of the constant bad info he has in his youtube videos. Yeah, looks like it has a lot more credible sources than I first realized.
TalonJedi87
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21-May(#59)
Yeah it's all over the internet now about that George Martin collab with a Japanese developer. It's likely aiming to be a From Soft game code named Great Rune allegedly. We shall see come E3.
dustin11
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21-May(#60)
Spencer has visited Japan like 6 times this past year and its being thrown around that he was over there making deals for some exclusives.
TalonJedi87
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21-May(#61)
I'm so happy the MS conference is on Sunday this year so I do not have to rush and watch it on my break at work. Cannot wait to see what they show.
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21-May(#62)
TalonJedi87 wrote:
> Yeah it's all over the internet now about that George Martin collab with a Japanese
> developer. It's likely aiming to be a From Soft game code named Great Rune allegedly.
> We shall see come E3.

Based on his track record, I guess we will see about this at E3 2025. smile
dustin11
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21-May(#63)
I'm glad they stopped having their show on the weekdays. I would try to listen to it at work but then every time they showed a trailer I would of course have to watch it which ended up making it really difficult to get any work done. Its what I have to do with Nintendo's conference too, but theirs also isn't 2 hours long so its not as bad.
TalonJedi87
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21-May(#64)
Anxiouz wrote:
> TalonJedi87 wrote:
>> Yeah it's all over the internet now about that George Martin collab with a Japanese
>> developer. It's likely aiming to be a From Soft game code named Great Rune allegedly.
>> We shall see come E3.
>
> Based on his track record, I guess we will see about this at E3 2025. smile

Hah! I see what you did there!
dustin11
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22-May(#65)
Looks like the Darksiders 2 4k patch has finally rolled out. Amongst the fixes are the unobtainable achievement is now obtainable (finally after 4 freaking years) and is retroactive to those who have met all the requirements for the achievement, and of course you get 4k resolution. Not sure if the memory leak has been resolved though and the article I read made no mention of it. THQ Nordic is one step closer to earning my trust back.
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22-May(#66)
Neat!
tonymack21
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22-May(#67)
thats a step anyway, to not fix the memory leak is pretty terrible, but at least they did fix something

dustin11
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22-May(#68)
Granted, it could be fixed, but I'm going to assume that it isn't until I hear otherwise. That memory leak legit made the game nearly unplayable because of the constant random freezing during combat. At least they're doing something about the game's issues though, for THQ gets a thumbs up from me for patching such an old game.
tonymack21
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22-May(#69)
ya they could def have said screw it

dustin11
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22-May(#70)
8 more games coming to Game Pass soon:

Metal Gear Survive (May 23rd)
The Banner Saga (May 23rd)
Void Bastards (May 29th)
Dead by Daylight (May 30th)
Outer Wilds (May 30th)
Full Metal Furies (June 6th)
The Banner Saga 2 (June 6th)
SUPERHOT (June 6th)
Archer
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22-May(#71)
The Banner Sage is so good. I'll probably play-through it all again since it will be free on here. Same with Superhot.
dustin11
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22-May(#72)
Superhot was some good fun. I played through all the different scenarios except for the last one where you had the beat the entire game without getting hit once, and if you did then you started from the first stage. I only played a little bit of BS2 and didn't much care for it. Most of that was because I hadn't played BS1 and they kept making references to BS1 and I was kind of lost.
TalonJedi87
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22-May(#73)
Metal Gear Survive lol

Archer
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22-May(#74)
Apparently the From/GRRM thing has nothing to do with GoT. Its just a game about Norse Mythology. So probably one of their typical style games set in a different background. Not sure why GRRM would be a writing consultant on that though.
dustin11
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22-May(#75)
When I think of From Soft I don't think of games with good writing anyhow.......or games that run well on anything. They're pretty much 1 very specific style of gameplay type devs. I wish they would go back to granching out more like they used to with Otogi and Chromehounds.
PizzaTheHutt
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22-May(#76)
This is really a thing?
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tonymack21
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* 22-May(#77)
it goes with the adaptive controller for disabled people. snes and ps1 had one handed style controllers even before the nunchuk as well, along with many other one handed controller variants. the nunchuk maybe the most well known but it was far from the first. that particular one does look a lot like the nunchuk though lol. the switch pro is basically the xbox, which it and ps controllers were modeled somewhat off the snes.. since the ps1 started out as a joint thing... at this point they've pretty much gotten down to what the best designs are. id rather they use what feels good rather than sacrifice feel and functio just to look different.

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22-May(#78)
They have a whole line of different ways to play for people with different disabilities. I've seen some foot peddle things that act as button inputs which could go in conjunction with that controller posted above so someone with 1 arm could game when they otherwise may not be able to. The adaptive controller line is actually really cool and one of the least talked about (in the gaming community) things that has come out this gen.
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22-May(#79)
it is very commendable and impressive that they have put so much work into the adaptive line. there has always been sort of weird stuff out there but they've made something that looks like it would actually be usuable for people with disablities.

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22-May(#80)
Its an area of gaming that I've never really thought of having a set of needs that weren't being met by traditional controllers so its cool to see them make stuff like this even though its probably not profitable to the company. They also donated a bunch of the controllers, equipment, and consoles to 22 different United States Department of Veterans Affairs rehabilitation centers.

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