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I am aware of some of the things in that movie. Maybe you should look her up, she's probably in jail at this point. I'd of ran too.

From what I've been told, she gained a massive amount of weight, became lesbian for a period of time, went straight, then got pregnant and had a kid.

bullet dodged.

https://screenrant.com/mandalorian-season-2-ahsoka...

Rosario Dawson is officially live action Ahsoka Tano in The Mandalorian Season 2. Great casting, really looking forward to this.

I want to watch Clone Wars TV series, but it's PT era and there's a lot of episodes.

Kommie wrote:

I honestly can’t really get into it. I’ve tried a couple times. What I’ve seen is better than the PT for sure, and Ahsoka does rule, but I’m with you. A fan editor made movies out of the seasons, so I’ve watched those.

But I love Rebels, and the crap Ahsoka does in that show is very badass. Real fun character, and Rosario Dawson seems like she’d be perfect for a live action take.

This Youtube channel I have been following recently posted a new video breaking down the entire Colin Trevorrow Episode IX "Duel of the Fates" script and put the breakdown to neat animations. Probably the closest we'll get to actually seeing what was being planned.

I read the script and really enjoyed it, so was happy to see someone do something like this. Obviously doesn’t get into every fine detail but if you wanted to know the general story but don’t feel like reading the entire script, this works nice. He obviously makes it a little comedic and really does fast forward through a lot of the bits that I loved from the script, but whatev.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itdfe5yQ0Hg

I started a New Journey + on Jedi Fallen Order today. I missed playing this game tbh. It was only last year but I have fond memories of playing this. Restarting it has brought me right back to when I was first experiencing the game. It's not perfect by any means (there are plenty of changes I'd like to see implemented in a sequel), and some areas/story beats are definite slogs to get through (having to go to Ilum to make another lightsaber towards the end comes to mind), but I still really love the game.

Anyhow just wanted to reopen this thread considering Mandalorian is back and it's real easy for me to clog up the Movie Review thread with SW talk.

Plop some random discussion topics in here, wouldn't mind some nice SW conversation.

Is there any new info on new movies or have "fans" ruined the movies?

I'm hoping for more SW movies. I loved the new trilogy, and The Mandolorian has been great.

I definitely want to play Jedl Fallen Order soon.

Kommie wrote:

I'm sure there will be a new trilogy eventually. I imagine they'll whip a bunch of money toward at least Daisy Ridley and have Rey's adventure continue, though I feel like it's unlikely Oscar Isaac or John Boyega would come back. Maybe Isaac but Boyega is definitely over SW. I'd be interested to see a new adventure with Rey where they wouldn't need to incorporate the older legacy characters as long as they didn't just rehash the same arc as the past 3 trilogies. Wishful thinking but it'd be neat.

To be honest though, after the first episode of Mandalorian Season 2, I almost feel like ongoing TV is where Star Wars should exist primarily. Obv have my issues with the stop-and-go pace of the story, but if they did an epic Jedi-centric story that focused on lore, they could put out some quality drama TV. They have no issue making it look visually pleasing, so I'm almost to the point where I don't need more movies if they start pumping out consistently good stories on the TV level.

Scott wrote:

You definitely should, surprised you haven't yet. It's a real fun time, if a bit short.

They keep announcing new movies that are in development, with new writers and new casts, and then they get cancelled when the producers/writers move on to new projects. So nothing is officially in the pipeline right now, at least not publicly.

There actually are movies in development, the next is slated for 2023 and is going to be directed by Taika Waititi. Very much looking forward to seeing what Taika can do with a full Star Wars movie. I haven’t disliked a single thing I’ve seen from him and after the Mandalorian Season 1 finale I have faith he’s got good stuff up his sleeve.

Also Rian Johnson’s planned trilogy (heavily rumored to take place during the equivalent of the KOTOR era) hasn’t been officially cancelled and is apparently still moving forward. Whether or not that actually happens remains to be seen but there hasn’t been any news contradictory to it still happening. Big fan of Johnson so I’ll be seeing those whenever they drop (if they drop at all).

Kevin Feige and JD Dillard were also brought in to develop movies, but little to no details on those are out yet.

All this info comes from this page, posted like 2 weeks ago: https://www.gamesradar.com/upcoming-star-wars-movi...

Honestly that roster of filmmakers has my faith in the future of Star Wars movies high. Looking forward to seeing what comes next.

I can't seem to accept the new trilogy. Episode 7 is essentially a parody of Episode 4. Droid lands on a desert planet carrying essential info that would collapse the bad guys, a father figure gets killed, Han Solo gets chased by gangsters who he owes a debt to, planet-destroying superweapon gets blown up by X-wings...the list goes on. Also what's with Kylo stealing Bane's voice in the Nolan Batman trilogy? And how does a conditioned stormtrooper suddenly "forget" his training and become an ally to the resistance??

At this point I just view them as Sci Fantasy entertainment. Cause that's what it is. Nothing about these movies is realistic.

Nothing about ANY movie is realistic! Like in Predator, the team can apparently spend 5 minutes mowing down the trees without running out of ammo. Well...granted, the M134 chaingun had a seemingly bottomless magazine, but for the remaining weapons...

ft763 wrote:

TFA is pretty much a modern re-telling of A New Hope. Far from the first time that's happened though. Return of the Jedi is literally A New Hope 2 just with more one-on-one Luke/Vader stuff (cool) & random Ewok/Endor stuff (cool LOOKING but hollow narrative-wise). Otherwise the plot and goal is more-or-less the exact same... blow up a Death Star. Even Episode 1 brought the whole "blow up a circular space station to save the day" trope back when Anakin destroys the droid ship.

I thought TFA did a great job introducing the series to a younger audience while still giving us oldies the nostalgia drip we were looking for. I can give that movie a pass when it comes to presenting nostalgia as the main course... it's later in the series that it becomes a problem. The Last Jedi introduced a brand new, fresh story that toxic SW fans did nothing but complain about... so then we got The Rise of Skywalker which was just a retcon of the previous two movies (TFA and TLJ) in order shoehorn the tried and true SW cliches and recurring plot beats into the story. THAT movie is the one that almost feels like a parody in spots, with Finn's use of the Force and the force redemption. But whatev.

(I want to make it clear that not everyone who disliked TLJ is toxic, just that there was a sincerely toxic outcry after that movie released that was just fanboy whining. Anyone is free to dislike TLJ, but acting like anyone destroyed your childhood is garbage.)



I honestly hear no similarities. Tom Hardy speaks in a deliberately higher pitch than his normal register and with a completely different accent whereas Adam Driver makes a focused decision to just speak with his normal accent but in a low, almost monotone voice.


I imagine you mean Finn... I don't think he "forgot" any training. In fact his knowledge of the First Order's inner-workings and Starkiller Base is a primary plot point in the second act of The Force Awakens. But even besides that, he also has combat training which we see when he fights that Stormtrooper outside of Maz's castle and via his proficiency with a blaster.

It's also established that the village attack at the beginning of TFA is the first time Finn had been deployed out into the field, with most of his time being spent doing janitorial work. Pair that along with the established information that Finn was stolen as a child and thrown into life as a Stormtrooper, it's really not that difficult to imagine him getting cold feet when it comes to slaughtering an innocent village and rebelling. And for as referential as TFA is to ANH, a Stormtrooper flipping sides was an actually fresh idea brought to the movies and one that I was happy to see. Unfortunately Finn is sort of underappreciated in the trilogy. TLJ did good to further his development from a former-deserter to a team-player (even if folks didn't like the side quest he went on), but he was pretty much a non-character in TROS.

Ah, thanks for explaining. When I said that Kylo stole Bane's voice, I actually thought they were pretty damn similar. Watch these videos to see what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyDR9CbqIAI (Bane's voice in SW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5M6z89WoCo (Ren's voice in Batman)

I still don't hear the similarity to be honest with you. In fact swapping their voices for those scenes sort of just makes me realize how different they are. Again, Bane talks in a high pitch with an accent whereas Kylo talks in a low register with no accent. But I dunno, maybe I'm just not hearing something other folks find obvious.

Well to each his own. I guess some people are more 'sensitive' in their ears while I don't happen to have that sort of sixth sense.

As a musician, I guess that could be the case. I just personally never noticed a similarity but perfectly possible other folks did.

Nothing about Star Wars is really that original, even the OT. So much was taken from Dune, as well as using the basic Hero's Journey story. So the fact that you find similarities in other movies isn't that shocking.

theJaw wrote:

Not to be arrogant, but I'm also naturally into music. I guess if I listened to something I could play it. But give me the sheet, and I would struggle to pull it off on a piano (my bass clef sucks)

Kommie wrote:

Kurosawa's fingerprints are also all over Star Wars. I just don't feel like the voice thing is relevant to the whole "SW borrowed from other movies" thing... it's just a case of voices that some folks apparently think sound similar and others don't. That's more of an acting decision than a "lift this idea from another movie" decision.

Unless you mean the similarities I noted among the SW movies themselves. In that case you can't really lean on the "originality" explanation too hard. It's one thing to lift an idea from another movie, it's a different thing to lift the same scenario from your own movie 4 times haha

Lone Wolf and Cub is also a huge influence for The Mandalorian. But Dune has so much influence on Star Wars Frank Herbert almost sued Lucas over it but didn't. It doesn't mean Star Wars is inherently bad though. I could list the Dune similarities if you want me to but I'm on mobile right now.

Oh yah I know SW lifted from Dune hardcore. We even saw that in the first episode of Mandalorian Season 2. That Krayt Dragon was 100% a Dune worm.

There were a lot of things about that episode that reminded me of Dune since I had just re read it.

Krayt Dragons apparently first appear in KOTOR.

Kommie wrote:

Yeah in a mission that sees you blow the krayt dragon up using a Bantha as bait so that you can get its pearl to upgrade your lightsaber.

All that happened in the episode except for the pearl upgrading any lightsaber haha

A Krayt Dragon first appeared in Episode IV, sort of. There is what looks like a dinosaur skeleton when the droids are wandering in the Tattooine desert. That was supposedly a Krayt Dragon, or was retroactively declared one anyway.

Wookiepedia mentions the first "live" one was in Galactic Battlegrounds, in 2001. KOTOR was 2003. There were other game and novel appearances too.

Replying to this here just to keep it out of the review thread because I always ramble for too long.

Kommie wrote:

The thing that bothers me most (or at least to the highest extent that a sci fi movie series possibly can) is that letting Abrams make what is essentially his ideal Episodes VIII & IX into The Rise of Skywalker didn't even win any of the toxic fans back and never would have even if it was an astoundingly great movie. Those types of people were never going to be won back at that point. No one who spent 2 (or 4) years complaining about the SW sequels or Disney were going to see Episode IX's hodgepodge of SW tropes and be won over. So at that point Disney/Lucasfilm ultimately just ended up alienating the people who actually enjoyed the direction they were taking with TFA and TLJ in order to cater to the toxic fandom that weren't going to sing their praises regardless.

Of course you'll have the occasional fan who wasn't thrilled about TLJ and still ended up enjoying TROS, but those people generally never got too toxic about TLJ in the first place and opted to just dislike it the way a normal human being dislikes something. But for the majority of the loudest online TLJ-detractors, they were already apprehensive after TFA for various reasons (Rey, Disney, etc) and then TLJ just moved even further away from the beaten SW path (with a story that questioned morality instead of sticking to "good vs. bad", among other reasons). That ended up resulting in those detractors getting actually-toxic about it to the point that there are YouTubers spending a 20+ minute video whining about how the throne room battle features choreography and doesn't look like a real fight (aka every major blockbuster action movie) solely because it's a SW movie.

Anyhow it's become clear that the majority of actual SW fans don't dislike TLJ nearly as much as the most toxic of us wanted the world to believe at the time of its release. It's only the pettiest of SW fandom who are still harping on TLJ or tweeting garbage to Rian Johnson and the cast, whereas most people who disliked it just don't talk about it much and those of us who do like it talk about it positively. On the other hand, it seems that TROS is the movie that most of the fandom (folks who enjoyed TLJ, folks who disliked TLJ & even toxic fans alike) seem to generally hold in a more negative light although there are definitely a ton of folks who love it. Which is cool, again I liked it more than the prequels, it's just interesting to look at how Disney/Lucasfilm handled the situation and how the general mood about certain movies has shifted.

I generally like to pretend the prequels don't exist. Haven't seen them since they were released theatrically. I do find it funny that people are "ironically" liking the PT cause they think the ST sucks so much. A lot of those people seem to think that if Lucas made a ST, it would be amazing. I disagree completely to the point where if Lucas made a ST, I'm not sure if I'd waste my time watching it. Yesterday he came out again saying what he'd do for a ST (Leia would be the hero, with him re-using Maul as the villain) and some people are frothing over the idea, but Lucas is a terrible writer. Sure, credit him for creation but the man thought Obi-Wan telling Luke "Use the force Luke" at the end of New Hope was a stupid idea. I don't get the obsession with hating something so much as to make a 20+ minute video, aside from the whole click bait appeal.

Dunkey made a recent Last of Us 2 video, and in the beginning he says "I'm not here to regurgitate your opinion on a game". He liked LOU2 and people lost their minds about it.

The OT was so successful because of the people surrounding Lucas. I've read the graphic novel adaptation of his original script and it's pretty awful. Thankfully he worked it into what A New Hope became, but then that movie was only so good because his ex-wife edited into something watchable. All his director pals apparently thought the original cut was real bad. And then we know Empire and Jedi had other writers and directors working on it.

Then came the PT and it was all Lucas and just a bunch of yes-men who never challenged him, and we got what we got. I would have definitely given his ST at least a try just because I'm a fan of SW overall, but I wouldn't have had much faith unless he made them RIGHT after the OT, and long before the PT (so that particular story you mentioned wouldn't have happened regardless). Leia as a hero and Maul returning could've been cool if done right, and I feel like if he got help from the same folks who helped him on the OT, it could've turned out well. But I find that sequel idea to be difficult to imagine any time after the PT.

Plus I imagine folks would have whined about Leia being the hero or having anything to do with the Force like they did for TLJ and TROS, so that may have bit him in the ass regardless. "Not enough Luke! I want MY Luke!"

That news story about Lucas' version of the ST also mentioned that Maul would be teaming up with Darth Talon.

Talon was a Sith in the Legacy comics series from Dark Horse. Legacy was set 137 years after Episode 4. She fought a descendant of Luke's that was so distant we never even found out how many generations later he was. So I'm not sure how he was going to manage that one. Probably just ignore the comics, and steal the character and set her down in the sequel trilogy timeframe.

She was a female Twi'lek with red skin, tats that resembled Maul's, and an aversion to wearing much in the way of clothing.

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Two names he wanted for the Vader Apprentice in The Force Unleashed games: Darth Insanius and Darth Icky.

Twitter is trying to "cancel" Gina Carano cause she said some anti-mask Q-Anon conspiracy crap.

Personally I don't care that she said stuff to make people upset (if she said to behead someone, that's a different story), but I find her acting really fudging bad/stale so if somehow Twitter's Cancel Train makes her character die, I wouldn't care.

Kommie wrote:

Cinemassacre did a video a while back about Star Wars, and one of the main points he focused on is how Star Wars drew inspiration from so many different sources, and that's why so many people like it so much. It's a combination of tons of different elements that we already liked. So I agree, the OT wasn't exactly original.

It doesn't make it bad though.

I agree.

Star Wars is this weird genre of Science Fantasy - not quite full Science Fiction, with some Fantasy as well. The comic SAGA does this Science-Fantasy thing really well too.

A while back I posted a short animation that broke down the original Episode IX story. This guy presents a longer and more in-depth analysis of Trevorrow’s script for anyone who hasn’t read it. Still depresses me that this isn’t the story we got. The only thing I don’t dig in this version is the Rey/Poe relationship, though even that is still pulled off alright. Otherwise it sounds like a really solid (and original) idea that would have wrapped up the saga real well. Oh well, it’s still interesting to hear about.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=is9bDMvwqwY&t=258s

Episode IX is perfect as is, just accept it.