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theJaw wrote:

Yeah, there will definitely be a Spider-Man movie in there I can't wait to see all the stuff that fills in Phase 6.

Did you see Feige confirmed that Spider-Man and Daredevil will be handling the "street level" threats?

I'll keep watching new Spider-Man movies for as long as they make them, but after the way NWH ended, I'm honestly not that excited for the (near) future of Spider-Man. It's cool how they pulled off a "reset" for him, but I'm just having trouble getting excited for this step backward, after seeing Spider-Man do such huge things.


I thought I read a while back that Feige had said What If was canon. I could be remembering wrong though.


I actually enjoyed Phase 4 a lot. Shang-Chi, No Way Home, and Love and Thunder were all great, Multiverse of Madness was really good, and Eternals and Black Widow were decent, not nearly as bad as many made them out to be IMO. On top of that, we got a lot of great shows that introduced some new characters and propelled some new storylines. I did have that feeling of "where is all of this going" like you referenced, but I could tell they were starting to build toward something, so I was fine with waiting and seeing. I'd say the Multiverse Saga is off to a much better start than the Infinity Saga. I'd watch Phase 4 over Phase 1 any day, and pretty easily over Phase 2 as well.

I'll give everything in Phase 5 a chance, I'm just not super excited for a lot of it at the moment. I liked Echo in Hawkeye, but didn't feel like she needed her own show. I never saw the original Blade movies, plus I'm pretty sure the new one is going to be rated R so I probably can't take my kids to see it, so that's why that one's not on my radar. I'm excited for another young hero in Ironheart simply because I'm sure my kids will enjoy that (like Ms Marvel), but it doesn't really excite me. I still haven't seen the original Daredevil show and I'm not sure I want to (looks a bit too R for my taste), but I want to be excited about the character and new show, so idk about that one. Finally, Captain America...I've always liked Sam Wilson / Falcon, but his show just did not sell me on him being Captain America, at all. I'd be a lot more excited if he had at least ended up getting the serum and was "enhanced", but a Captain America without the superhuman strength just sounds boring to me. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised by that one though.

theJaw wrote:

I like that idea

theJaw wrote:

If they can get a good, strong actor to pull off a villainous Doom, I’d be all on board with that.

back4more wrote:

Howard Stern already said he did some stuff as Doom... ;)

A video talking about old shows and movies, the proto-MCU if you want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpNqlzWb8I

Best1989 wrote:

I watched those old Hulk movies on TV when they aired. That show is one of the reasons I like the character so much despite Marvel not knowing what to do with him anymore.

Foxhack wrote:

That’s scary :(

I still haven't seen Thor. I guess a combination of a busy life and lackluster reviews lowered my excitement.

I am not very excited for Sue Hulk. On one hand, I like how she's more closely related to the Netflix show world (being from Hell's Kitchen), and I love Tatiana Maslaney. Ok the other hand, the trailers have looked goofy af, and I really don't like Smart Hulk. My guess is he'll probably only be in one episode, although I could be wrong. I hope this one proves me wrong.

Most of She-Hulk's run has been goofy in that fourth wall breaking way that Deadpool ripped off really hard. Nothing would make me laugh more than to see Ryan Reynolds Deadpool show up and get sued by Jen in a trial over it, but I know that won't happen.

bonham2 wrote:

Ignore the reviews and just see what you think yourself. Our tastes have seemed fairly similar, I bet you'll like it.

I would never have sex with anyone not named Mark Ruffalo for the record, this Shulk dog can fudge off

Anyone else watch I Am Groot yet? I had read that they were going to be "shorts", but for some reason I was thinking like 15-20 minute episodes, with unconnected storylines. But no, they're very short, like 4 minutes each after you factor in the brief intro, and credits. There were kinda cute and funny, and my family had a good time watching them together, but they weren't anything special. I was hoping for some kind of fun adventure storyline for young Groot. Oh well. This one easily falls at the very bottom of my ranking.

I'm still hoping She Hulk is Green Ally McBeal with superheroes.

Crossing my fingers.

I'm feeling pretty optimistic about She-Hulk. I think I'm going to end up liking it a lot.

Watched the first episode of She-Hulk last night, I thought it was great! If it keeps up with how good the first episode was, this could easily end up being one of my favorite MCU shows, up there with WandaVision and Loki. I love that it's a straight-up comedy, I like lots of humor in the MCU. I'm glad Hulk is in the show too. Hopefully he plays a big role in the rest of the series, and wasn't just there for the first episode. Hulk's "Smart Hulk" look is much better here than it was in Endgame. They definitely improved She-Hulk's CGI as well, I have no problems with it.

A neg and 0 replies. Love this "discussion" thread!

She Hulk is wonderful so far, I agree. Real fun stuff & yah, the CG is far better than the trailers.

Also apparently the space ship at the start of the episode is teasing a World War Hulk movie/show. That’d be badass.

Well, it wasn't me! I have no interest in it either way. Why am I even watching this topic????? IGNORE.

I was away this week. Just got back and watched She-Hulk. It was way better than I expected. I don't get the online hate. The CGI seems better than the trailer, although she still seems very uncanny vally-ish. I'll say it again...I absolutely love Tatiana Maslaney. I liked the show better when she was herself.

I agree with everything Scott said...and I even plussed you to counter @Kommie 's neg (I know he's reading this).

I guess a couple of the review bombers found our thread!

theJaw wrote:

I read that as well. I don't know much about that, but I know people on r/marvelstudios mention it very frequently. So I'm guessing it's a really cool storyline that could make for a great movie/show, I'm down for that.

bonham2 wrote:

Same here, she's great!


definitely.

Sooooo.....I touched in this in another thread, is it just quips, or is there actual comedy. Thor 4 really turned me off to the quips.

@razeak I answered ya in the other thread lol

How is a quip not "actual comedy"?

theJaw wrote:

I know, looking for a concensus lol.


@scott I guess I mean the non stop quip machine isn't the comedy I'm looking for anymore. Of course it's comedy. It's just I don't know....low effort and kind of mind numbing the way MCU is doing it. Thor 4 just jumped the shark for me, even though I loved some of it (like the Jean-Claude Van Damme homage in the opening Thor scene )

I'll probably give it a go this weekend.

IDK, I guess I don't see the difference. If something is funny, it's funny, doesn't matter what form it came in.

For sure different forms of comedy, styles etc..MCU is in a pattern of overuse. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but the last several films have started to wear on me due to overuse and over reliance on quips and sight gags. There is also an issue with poor tone during otherwise serious scenes or moments that get pointless quips crammed in. They absolutely shouldn't abandon humor, but maybe step back and try a different approach.

Or just know when to implement it better. I loved Love and Thunder but can’t pretend the criticisms against the overly goofy tone are inaccurate. It definitely was more a Taika Waititi movie than your standard “Thor movie”. I’m all in on that but can understand if others aren’t.

But with She Hulk, it works far more naturally. The show was clearly conceived as a comedy first, and so it fits a lot better and is necessary for the character and story they’re telling.

Conceived as a comedy makes me see it in a different light.

I though Ragnarok was the upper limit for goofy. Occasionally goofy Thor is great. Imbecile Thor not so much.

To be fair, I'll say it again, the JCVD homage was perfect haha.

razeak wrote:

This is definitely a fair criticism. It doesn't bother me, but I understand others not liking it.

razeak wrote:

I'd say Ragnarok and Love & Thunder were both conceived as comedies too.

I do prefer Ragnarok/Infinity War Thor over L&T Thor. L&T was partially about how sad and direction-less Thor was at that time, and the way he acted reflected that. He now has direction and a purpose again, so I think the next time we see him he'll be more back to his Ragnarok/Infinity War self.

She-Hulk episode 4 was the best one yet IMO. I thought the whole Madissyn storyline was hysterical. "Wongers, can we get Fro Yo?"

I'm going to have to wait until at least Monday to watch the latest episode. We didn't have a chance last night and my daughter is going to be gone all weekend on a youth retreat.

I've not uttered or typed a bad word about She-Hulk, but my social media is inundated with ads with Anti Complainer/Anti Critic ads and articles. I saw 4 just now after just a few minutes of scrolling.

@Scott It still has to be of SOME quality and good timing even if conceived as a comedy, which is where I think Love & Thunder stumbled. MCU just got to the point I'm shocked Tony Stark didn't make a quip when Peter Parker got snapped out of existence like "Oh...SNAP!" or something else. lol. There are moments where levity is needed in a story.

I definitely have to watch Love and Thunder again at some point, because there was a lot I did enjoy, and my wife hasn't watched it yet.

bonham2 wrote:
The post credit scene was pretty funny too..
This episode also made me feel really bad for Jen Walters simply because everyone is all about her as She-Hulk, but no one cares about her as herself..
Also, the first date she goes on was hysterical...

It was pretty funny when She-Hulk carried that huge guy off to bed. If I woke up in the morning to Tatiana Maslaney, I would definitely stick around.

razeak wrote:

I don't know, Ragnarok had a ton of humor. Based on the trailers for L&T I figured it was going to be even wackier and funnier, so no surprise there. That said, I still didn't think it was TOO funny. The movie handled a lot of serious moments without any humor, like Jane's cancer, Gorr's scene with his daughter in the very beginning, and Gorr's final scene.

Like I mentioned, we've been re-watching all of the MCU in order. I wish I had thought of it sooner since we're already up to Age of Ultron, but I'm going to try to keep an eye out for humor during serious moments. I really feel like this has been blown out of proportion, and it's not done nearly as much as people claim. Here's the thing though, I don't think humor during a serious moment is automatically bad. It strongly depends on the nature of the serious moment, but a lot of the time, I think a little humor to break the silence/tension after something serious happens is fine. To be fair though, I love to laugh, and in superhero movies I'm mostly just looking for action and humor, not super serious stuff, so maybe I'm biased. I saw a comment on Reddit where they pointed out how this is common in real life. A lot of times, people handle serious stuff by making a joke. So why is it so bad in movies?

razeak wrote:

That's more of a Star-Lord joke, tbf.

Watching episode 4 of She-Hulk now. I LOVE the crap Jennifer says during the fourth wall breaking moments.

Maybe not the exact quote but whatev.

Poor Jen.

And I REALLY didn't like that the strong lady from episode 1 turned out to be Titania. #notmyskeeter

Hey David Otunga’s in this episode. That fella was in WWE for a while.

Scott wrote:


It isn't automatically bad, but it can be overdone, and that is where I feel MCU is at.