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I kinda question if it's a legit injury based on Drew stomping him the other day. These things aren't new for WWE, with even recently, Rollins was wrestling with a 'broken back'. I recall a time when a title holder would drop their title right away after 'losing their smile'.

It seems ok to see Andrade back in WWE. Hopefully they do something with him. His last bit of time in AEW was very good, but mostly forgettable/almost non-existent before that. Apparently Malakai Black and Buddy Matthews intend to return to WWE, as well. Matthews hasn't done a thing in AEW, and, honestly, nothing amazing in WWE, either....but the guy can definitely put on an amazing match. Black started off hot there but went into obscurity as soon as Cody left.

Is it just me or does Kairi Saine not seem too 'into' her role and matches in WWE? She seemed much better before and NJPW in the stuff I saw her in. Asuka seems to have lost a lot of momentum lately, too. Is Iyo still alive?

AEW's been doing some cool stuff with a few performers over there. I stick by my earlier comment that they need more TV time to showcase some of the others. This whole 'hot for a few weeks' then disappearing act for months is exhausting...but the storylines have improved a bit....a bit more cohesiveness would be nice.

Luchasaurus/Killswitch (both stupid names) needs a makeover. Excellent ring work. He seemed ok in a tag team.....even though his partner kinda sucked.....but the dinosaur thing screams mental illness more than cool. It might be fun to see him and Brian Cage as a team with a strong mouthpiece and just stomp everyone. Brian Cage kinda seems like he could be the lovechild of Animal and Hawk.

The 'other' Cage in AEW has been doing the best stuff of his career lately. It seems like a wiser decision for Copeland to join Cage than the other way around. Copeland's stuff in AEW (and his last WWE run)....absolutely boring.

I’ve been digging Copeland’s AEW run. Him vs the Patriarchy has been fun, and now he’s doing these open challenges to build his way back to a TNT title match. I think it’s fun to see him mix it up with Christian while they both simultaneously raise the stock of the younger guys they’ve been working with.

I appreciate him not gunning for the World title immediately. It’s pretty much the opposite use of a legend that folks criticize WWE over. He’s not getting the Goldberg treatment, steamrolling over younger guys to win world titles. Happy with him floating around the upper midcard.

I also wondered if Punk was legit injured or not but signs seem to point toward it being legitimate. We’ll know if he makes some stunning return at the Chamber… but I feel like that’d be shotgunning an “injury/return” angle way too quickly.

Kairi's run has been pretty "meh" so far. Can't even pin this one on creative because she's just been so sloppy in the ring. When she originally left WWE and returned to Japan to be with her husband, she opened a gym. Not the smartest thing to do during a freakin' pandemic, as it lost her a lot of money and had to be closed down. I'm guessing that played a pretty big role in her returning to the WWE, because the money is too good to turn down. I assume money is also the main reason Gallows and Anderson came back too, because they've done fudge all since they've been back. This current run hasn't been any better than their original run, and they've said how unhappy they were the first time, but still re-signed because the money was better than what AEW offered...and then they got fired anyway.

theJaw wrote:

This is Wrestling Discussion so idk why you brought up Goldberg. I didn't mention the Power Puff Girls.... but I get what you're saying. Legends returning can be fun and cool if they're handled well. That doesn't mean they need to lose every time, either....like John Cena. I feel similar about celebrities and wannabe celebrities like Pat McAfee. While they add something the regular roster guys can't, having them go over regular guys clean is embarrassing. Seeing that moron go over on Miz last year......they might as well have just pants'ed him and shaved his wife's head. LT over Bam Bam back in the day.....also stupid. There's plenty more....not all WWE.

I think, with Rock-Reigns, I don't really care since neither one of them is ever around anyway. I think I'd rather see celebrities pretend to beat each other up and let the folks who do it as their bread and butter not have to watch their value sink down the toilet. If Rock came back, beat Reigns then beat Rollins.....I'd be annoyed. I enjoyed Seth's promo the other day dissing Reigns.

With Edge/Copeland, he always seemed like the more interesting of the two in WWE. That's not the case anymore. Even during his last WWE run, when his stuff came on, it seemed like a good time to go put wood in the furnace and make a drink. Yup, he's replaced 80's womens matches for me. He really shouldn't be a conversation for a world title run. There are far more deserving guys in AEW....Strickland, Mox, Danielson, Cassidy....Prince Nana, etc.

Can someone explain the Scissoring Bullet Club please? How did that come about?

I think it happened as they didn't really know what to do with the Undisputed Kingdom since there's nobody for them to feud with. It's basically a collection of lower-mid card guys, one guy who is should be a main event attraction, and an old guy tossed in for comedic effect to feud with a collection of enhancement talent/lower-mid card guys, a mid-card guy, and a guy who could be a main event attraction if he wasn't broken. It's either the plan to have Cole and White go at it someday....or just biding time til MJF returns, if that's in the cards. It's what happens when you have too much talent on your roster for the amount of screen time to present it without either A) Getting more screen time and getting organized so there's some sort of cohesion (like Raw, Smackdown, and NXT), B) Cutting talent, C) Cutting time/quality of matches. It's basically the other choice on a PPV to having a battle royal to just get paid wrestlers out there.

Tony has an amazing box of toys to play with in AEW....all the Lego, the action figures, the Barbie dolls, the playsets.....but it's all tossed in a giant box (Collision) with a few things scattered under the bed (Rampage), a bunch of random broken stuff in a bin somewhere (Wrestlers on the shelf with injury/pending starting) and a few things he actually plays with all the time (Dynamite). He has a messy room. Back in the day, the parent would say, "Clean your room or I will" ....and proceed to toss out most of it, let it go on eBay (WWE) or donate it to Goodwill (ROH, TNA). We're dealing with actual people and not plastic (mostly...looking at you Saraya...love you, k bye).

With guys like Ospreay starting soon and other rumored signings, it could be incredible or it could be a jumbled mess of random matches. There would be some great stuff coming out but a lot of questions and difficulty for fans to follow it, and, understandably, a lot of frustration for the talent who would view it as a ridiculous mess and want to leave.....which is kinda already showing with them struggling to sell 2000 tickets for their weekly shows. While some fanboys seem to find humor in this, it's sad. At some point, a business decision has to be made. A business isn't a business if it isn't making money. Last I heard, AEW has 162 wrestlers on its roster. They're all being paid. This isn't counting ring crew, managers, announcers, etc.

Tony has enough talent not on TV due to injury or contract timing to start another company. Depth-wise for wrestling talent, AEW kills WWE. WWE utilizes theirs better. More fans pay to watch WWE live.

It would be better for everyone if it got cleaned up and organized...better for the wrestlers, better for the fans, and better for the wrestling industry to have a strong and secure alternative to WWE...but also a bit tricky, since, while adding time and organizing is better, there's a balance with over-saturating the market and giving people 'wrestling fatigue' and people tuning out because there's just too much. AEW is only secure due to the billionaire allowing it to exist.

Both The Acclaimed and Bullet Club Gold were attacked by "the devil" and his men on the lead-up to World's End, so they decided to form a "supergroup" in case the Undisputed Kingdom opted to attack them again -- despite early tensions between both teams over the AEW Trios titles. BCG still wants those titles but ended up winning the ROH 6 man titles in their pursuit, so they "agreed" to team with The Acclaimed. With the official rankings released last night placing BCG in the number 1 spot for Trios contenders, I think it's fairly obvious that the booking will all lead to a unification match for the AEW Trios titles and ROH 6 Man titles at some point.

It's been a decently entertaining angle so far but seems to be meandering a bit without them ACTUALLY setting their sights on Undisputed Kingdom since forming. They're just sort of floating around right now, while UK does the same. If they don't just skip a "Bang Bang Scissor Gang" vs. Undisputed Kingdom feud, I could see a big multi man tag happening at Revolution in March... but part of me feels like Acclaimed and BCG will end up stepping on each other's feet too much, fast-tracking that unification match for Revolution instead.

John Laurinaitis is a piece of crap. He’s saying he’s a victim too. What a punk ass. I hope he rots with Vince.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epv757/co-defendan...

So he's not denying the stuff happened... certainly not good for Vince, who claimed they were lies.

I don’t understand what he’s going for. He’s denying everything, but also saying he’s a victim and that he was forced to do heinous things as well. I believe he was just as depraved as Vince. His victim card is bullcrap.

Yah if he was a “victim” to the same extent, he could have simply… not had sex with Grant during the McMahon-scheduled sessions. According to Grant, he did… so fudge him with Vince, AND Lesnar. Shoot them & everyone else involved into the sun.

Right? Fudge all of them. If Lesnar was part of it (WSJ implied it but he isn’t directly named) then fudge him too. They all need to be held accountable for their crap.

The lawsuit itself implied Lesnar. No other WWE superstar/former UFC champion fits the description in the lawsuit, especially when you take into account that Vince was trying to re-sign the individual riiiight around the time manbun-Brock returned.

There are a bunch of other folks not directly named but certainly alluded to — whose identities can be figured out via context clues — in the lawsuit. Triple H and Stephanie to name two who, while apparently not directly involved in the abuse, eventually became more than aware of it yet still voted Vince back into WWE when the time came.

It’s all super gross, and now Grant’s lawyer is saying there are several others looking to step forward with allegations but that it will take time due to how overwhelming it all is. Crap’s about to get rough for the people in the know.

I know. I want simple ass farmer Sable banging Brock to be the truth but it seems that he’s a piece of crap too.

I’d also like to think better of Papa H and Stephanie since Stephanie left because Vince bullied his way back onto the board, and I can’t think Vince was talking to Paul about any of this stuff. That just doesn’t make sense to me, but what do I know. I feel like she wasn’t left any choice, and neither was the board, when voting Vince back. He had the power to do what he wants and kick anyone and everyone off the board, and that would’ve led to stock price nonsense and even more legal stuff. Some of that happened, with Vince bringing his idiots back when he returned Barrios and Wilson.

You’re right in that crap will get real, and this is only the beginning. I hope that Endeavor cleans house, but I also know it won’t be overnight if it happens at all.

Welp, Lesnar was just dropped from WWE 2K24.

theJaw wrote:


Cain Velasquez did a match or 2 in wwe but it’s definitely Brock Lesnar


I don’t really see the big deal here. Tagyoursponsor documented the sheiks paying $10000 to fly out instagram influencers to fly to Dubai, have sex, and be a Dubai porta potty. It was news at the time but apparently Vince is paying millions to these girls?

If you really don’t remember tagyoursponsor you can google “Dubai portapotty” and read some of the accounts

@dracula the timeline for Cain doesn’t fit what the lawsuit is suggesting, or the information that the texts were relaying.

If you don’t see what the big deal is for Triple H and Stephanie to have been overseeing the investigation into Vince’s gross shenanigans, yet not interview Grant before voting Vince back into a position of power… I don’t know what to tell ya. They were aware of what he was doing.

Also the issue is Vince using his power in WWE to help control and traffic women under his employ to other men in the company. It has a literal nothing to do with Dubai.

Did you read the lawsuit or…?

Dang Brock got dropped from 2K? I knew he was removed from that mobile card game but I didn’t think there would be enough time to remove him from 2K since it’s like a month away. I’m sure he’ll be tucked away in the files and modded back in, if they did remove him.

There's also no way that the former UFC champion in the lawsuit is Cain Velasquez. He sucked in WWE and he did like 1 TV match to lose to Lesnar and then he got released. I think he did some stuff in Mexico, though.

I don’t remember tagoursponsor. I’ll be back. Edit: just saw a Reddit thread. Nope.

@BucketofJustice oh nope, you’re right. It was 2K Supercard, not 2K24. My bad.

Well he might be gone from 2K by the time it releases. I know they’re on a fast turnaround time, but I don’t know their ability or lack thereof to get him out before the game releases in a month. Vince definitely has to be out of it, though, so I guess if they can do one they can do the other.

Oh I even said it’s definitely Brock. But Cain and Ronda are both former mma world champs. And worked wwe

Having sex for cash is technically illegal and if you move a prostitute across state lines it would be a violation of the Mann act.

Vince isn’t under arrest he is being sued. If he agreed to pay Ms Grant 3 million and only paid her $1million he should definitely pay the rest.

It’s about coprophilia. (Which is essentially taking dump on a hookers mouth and having her eat it) A lot of sheiks are paying $10000 plus shopping for a girl, usually British or from USA to do this.

(This is not a link to crap photos just the girls who take part in it)

http://tagyoursponsor.com/kmelnichenko/

The girls sometimes agree to the coprophilia in a video . I’m just saying the prostitutes are out there, they are much younger than Ms Grant

https://youtu.be/-wExMdvsjYw?si=eC2sB-pvAC9Qx7M6

dracula wrote:

Again, read the actual details of the lawsuit. It wasn't JUST that said individual was a former UFC champion. It was the circumstances and timeframe for when it happened. Acknowleding it was "definitely Brock" but then saying "but other people who were in UFC worked for WWE" is pointless.


He isn't under arrest because he forced the woman into an NDA (that he didn't pay). Sex trafficking is illegal and, now that he's being sued, he could certainly be facing legal repercussions. Or, well, anybody else would be if they didn't have millions of dollars. Hell, the mere act of making sexual advances on an employee is illegal in the US and is enough to land most normal-level executives in hot water. This isn't a difficult concept.


This isn't about the sheiks in Dubai. What's the point of this whataboutism? Vince McMahon employed at least one woman that he then forced into sexual situations with both himself and other high-ranking men in his company. That is sex trafficking. That is illegal. Dubai sheiks have literally nothing to do with this, and there's no reason whatsoever to be posting weirdo links in this thread.

If you folks haven't watched Maven's YouTube channel, I recommend. It's a fun time.

I've been watching Maven the past few months. It's pretty good stuff, I thought for sure it would lead to him being a surprise entrant in the Rumble last week because once his channel started getting noticed even Prichard and Jim Ross mentioned him on their podcasts. As far as wrestling stuff on YouTube, lately I'm more into stuff like Maven, Stevie Richards and Rene Dupree's channels. The midcard guys usually have the best stories and knowledge to share, especially in this era where shoot interviews are kinda dead since the rise of social media, and since they aren't full-time competitors anymore they don't have to worry about who they piss off.

You can't have an NDA for illegal activities. If he was prostituting her out across state lines that is an illegal activity. If she is claiming rape (or coercion is probably what they are going after) an NDA does nothing.

@beavis In this scenario, an NDA can cover illegal activity if the terms of the NDA are simply not to discuss any goings-on that occurred while under McMahon's employ. An NDA can be created without specifics of any illegal activity being disclosed for the simple purpose of keeping those signing the NDA quiet about any details regarding their employment/involvement.

It's most likely the NDA McMahon had Grant sign fell under similar terms and she agreed because, well, $3 million is a lot of money. Of course he wouldn't have filed the NDA using language like "I raped her with sex toys and trafficked her to John Laurinitis, so she needs to keep quiet."

I thought if the items that weren't supposed to be talked about don't include illegal activities? Like if I sign an NDA but an employer is doing something illegal, it would fall under whistleblowing. I don't know, NDAs seem like bullcrap and I avoid signing them if able.

I'm sure NDAs aren't SUPPOSED to be used to cover up illegal activity, but when you've got more money than god and just want to make sure someone keeps their mouth shut about the weirdo stuff you do, I have to assume you bend the rules a bit using less-than descriptive language to cover your bases.

The Rock looks in way better shape now than he ever did as a full-time wrestler. Lucky for him part timers don't have to take wellness tests.

I hope they have an out for what looks to be happening. Can’t say I liked that last segment at all.

That was fudging terrible.

Well......that was fun until Rock showed up. On the bright side, he'll have the chance to find out how Batista felt. Idk, Wrestlemania was looking real fun this year but now it feels kinda underwhelming. So......Smackdown.....no LA Knight, no Orton, no styles.

Moving along, I hate to admit it, but Logan Paul is getting real good. That thing with Bianca was hilarious. I'm not sure what they'll set him up with at Wrestlemania. Maybe one of the three guys up there...but I don't really feel any of it. Maybe they'll bring back Hulk Hogan or Bad Bunny for that.

I guess there's still someone needed to play with Gunther and Rhea. Does anyone care about the tag titles anymore?

Agreed about Logan Paul. I know he gets hate for being an "outsider", but IWC needs to back off with the gatekeeping when Logan can go in the ring more than some of the people on the current roster that spent years training to be wrestlers. He didn't even get the dreaded part-timer schedule that everyone assumed he would get, he's on the road just as much as the rest of them. The dude does a such a good job at playing a natural heel too. It's not like The Miz or MJF where they are good talkers, but you know they're just saying what they're saying to get a reaction from the crowd because they thrive on those boo's. Logan Paul sounds like a believable douchebag when he talks, and that is one of the best compliments you can give a heel.


Got my ticket to SmackDown next week and Raw on May 20. I'm pretty dang hyped.

Damn, even TMZ is covering this stuff with The Rock and how unhappy fans are (the video of him on last night's SmackDown has over 300,000 dislikes, the most of any video on that channel). I hope The Rock's ego will take the hint. I admit I'm not that invested in Cody's little "story", I didn't want him or CM Punk to win the Royal Rumble this year even though it was obvious one of them would, but I just don't see the benefit of a part-timer dropping the title to another part-timer. In fact anyone on a part time schedule should just stay the hell away from the title scene. When The Undertaker would show up, it was just to take care of business, not always to chase after titles.

https://www.tmz.com/2024/02/03/dwayne-the-rock-joh...

I hope they pivot from Rock and Roman at Mania. There’s no good reason, from a business or storyline or logic standpoint to do what they started last night. It’s fudging terrible and WWE and Dwayne Johnson just crap on everything they’ve been doing for almost 2 years with Cody, for over 3 years with Roman and killed a ton of goodwill Rock had in WWE. Fudge him, and fudge them.

A while back, Tony Khan was getting crap from every corner of the internet because STARDOM didn't want to do business with AEW -- "Khan doesn't book women right" or "STADROM knows they're too good for AEW" etc etc.

Tonight, STARDOM co-founder Rossy Ogawa was fired for "poaching talent and staff" who ultimately ended up in WWE. Kairi Sane being notable in the situation.

Tony Khan has taken to Twitter to cook WWE with crap posts. And I fudgein love to see it. Some may deem it "unprofessional" but I'm not sure that word applies when the owner of WWE... well, ya know. At this point, it's sorta undeniable that just about everything Khan has thus far insinuated about WWE management is true. I hope he memes them until his heart stops beating.

I know that Reigns/Rock has been wanted by some folks, but I think the situation is even worse because the only reason Rock is back is to improve his image. Which kinda makes it more funny that the reception was lukewarm at best.

It’s been downright negative. The most disliked video on their YouTube. They NEED to course correct ASAP. Rock’s abdomen fell off vs Cena in 2013… there’s no way Rock/Roman is going to be a match worth watching. Legit feels like one of Hogan’s throwaway Mania main events. Might as well be watching Hulk vs Slaughter.

People wanted Rock and Roman, and still would want it, but not at the expense of a story they’ve been telling for over a year and were really close to paying off. I hope they course correct.

Honestly, being off Twitter for about a year now, I don’t give a crap what anyone does anymore. I know nothing, and it’s great. I used to lurk, but I’ve even stopped that. Apparently there’s a funny Kurt Angle meme that was making the rounds and I had no idea. Tony is gonna do what Tony does, right or wrong or indifferent, as is everyone else and I’ll be oblivious unless it gets reported on PWInsider or if it gets posted on one of those Facebook wrestling things I snooze every 30 days because they won’t fudging go away forever.

Rock/Roman would be fun... if it didn't derail the clear narrative WWE was setting up for 2 years. Just such a try hard move designed to gain good will back... but entirely backfired. Not fun and if Rock/Roman is the main event for WM40 -- woof.

As for twitter... a lot of it sucks, but there's still some fun crap on there. I'm on there & tbh have no idea what the Angle meme is lol. I dunno, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy keeping up with the day-to-day from time-to-time. I still don't know how the storylines are playing out or anything, I just see what the business is going through. I just think that Khan's posts are funny, and that WWE's known morally bankrupt practices are getting more and more difficult for them to cover up.

PWInsider did post about Ogawa though: https://pwinsider.com/article/180007/stardom-found...

Rock/TKO for sure have their work cut out for them. Off to a goofy start but let's hope it leads to some sort of culture shift.