Sun
2-Oct-2019(#1)Other thread was closed...so here we are.
Anyone else excited for AEW Dynamite tonight?
theJaw
3-Mar(#42)Mox/Claudio vs FTR was fudging AWESOME.
theJaw
* 3-Mar(#44)I know this is obvious, but Ospreay is so fudging good my god. This match against Takecrapa has the entire building standing. So fudging good.
theJaw
* 3-Mar(#46)BucketofJustice wrote:> Every time I see his name I remember someone pointing out on Twitter before I left
> that his name is TAKE CRAP A and I can’t unsee it. I haven’t been on Twitter
> for about a year, maybe more.
I’m pretty sure Jericho or some other heel said that on AEW TV lol. Maybe Nigel. Whatev, Tak is fudging awesome. That match ruled so hard.
Time for Sting’s finale. Oughta be emotional.
theJaw
3-Mar(#47)Sting/Darby vs Bucks was so fudging fun. What a great way for Sting to go out.
I'm sorry. If you enjoy pro wrestling, you can't watch Revolution and pretend it was bad. What a great show. I love this crap.
Onto Mania!
theJaw
* 4-Mar(#50)BucketofJustice wrote:> I’m sure it’ll pop up online soon if it hasn’t already. I also believe 100000%
> Sting found a way to turn back the hands of time as he’s done for like 20 years
> it seems.
Dude… he did so fudgein good. Everyone involved exceeded expectations. Gonna miss the ol’ Stinger.
Also Darby Allin is a fudging mad man.
Justin
4-Mar(#53)Sting is the best wrestler of all time.
theJaw
4-Mar(#54)Michael Cole acknowledged Sting's retirement just now on Raw, congratulating him on his career. Pat Mcafee even said "absolutely epic match last night," referring to the retirement match.
Ya love to see it.
Y2k
7-Mar(#56)For future reference, Nia Jax is the unstoppable force.....unless Becky Lynch attempts a drop kick from the top rope and misses...then she stumbles back stunned and out of the ring.
Other random thoughts....
Bull Nakano....meh. My feeling is there are many far more deserving retired WWE wrestlers who did far more than Bull's forgettable run in the early 90's. She didn't even have her own ice cream bar like Bam Bam Bigelow, Demolition, or Koko B. Ware.
I also really enjoyed Revolution. I'd give the show an over-all 4/5. Women's match felt rushed for all the promotion and build up they had for it.....so now Deonna can disappear into the netherworld with everyone else to make room for Mercedes next week. I also found the 8 man scramble a bit meh and comical seeing guys just standing around outside waiting to be queued back into the ring. Everything else was awesome.
Darby Allen is a bit nuts with his spots. Hopefully he accomplishes a lot in the next few years. His style absolutely does not lend to longevity. It's more likely to cripple him young. Personally, I'd prefer to see him stick around for awhile and become the star he could be. I'll take it over seeing him in a wheelchair all gibbled.
Will Ospreay is by far the most exciting wrestler on the planet today. Nobody can touch the quality of his matches and how he can make anyone look top tier.....I worry if he can adjust to working like that every week, though. AEW isn't Japan or the indies where he can show up once every couple months and go away and rest.
It's good to see AEW using the Bucks as the evil EVP's and buttoning up a lot of loose ends of things that didn't make any sense.
I watched the 'Trilogy' video on youtube on the Briscoes and FTR. I never saw much of the Briscoes other than a match in AEW last year and don't get ROH here so I really wasn't terribly familiar with them. Their stuff was really really very good. Jay was an absolute artist during that feud. Mark is good but he seems to excel being in a solid tag team with someone to offset his wackiness.
Why does it feel like FTR has disappeared from any sort of title picture since Punk left last year? I'm not even sure who the ROH and AEW tag champs are anymore. They don't seem like important titles anymore. All I hear about is the trios thing that nobody cares about.
It was nice of Cole to mention Sting's retirement.....but it felt like he shut down McAfee when he started saying the match was epic.
I'm sensing a double turn at Wrestlemania with Rock turning on Roman and Rollins screwing Cody. Rollins will be upset after losing his belt to McIntyre the previous night.
Please don't let Sami Zayn win the gauntlet next week. Ugh.
The landscape in AEW has changed quite a bit this year with the huge signings. Absolute game changers. Really need MJF and Omega back, though. It'll be weird when they do the Forbidden Door PPV and there's nobody left to come through it, though.
PizzaTheHutt
7-Mar(#57)Y2k wrote:> Bull Nakano....meh. My feeling is there are many far more deserving retired WWE
> wrestlers who did far more than Bull's forgettable run in the early 90's. She didn't
> even have her own ice cream bar like Bam Bam Bigelow, Demolition, or Koko B. Ware.
Whoa whoa whoa, I'mma let you finish but I gotta stop you right here.
I don't see how Bull Nakano's run in WWF was forgettable, it's how a lot of people watching in that era even know who she is. But even still, she's not getting into the HoF just from her brief WWF run. She accomplished far more outside of WWF and that's what is getting her in the HoF. Sorry, but I disagree as she's every bit as deserving of her induction as Liger and Muta were, and they managed to get in without
ever wrestling in WWF/WWE (minus Liger's one single match at NXT nearly a decade ago).
I won't disagree that there are lots of deserving people who still need to be inducted, but that's not Bull Nakano's fault. And a lot of the people who still need to be inducted are also ones who accomplished more outside of WWE than in it. Like, how is Lex Luger still not in it? I never liked the guy, but taking into account what he achieved outside of WWF you can't deny he deserves it. Ultimo Dragon is another one who deserves it, but it sure ain't based on his WWE run. Even Sting got in and we know how his WWE run went.
theJaw
* 7-Mar(#62)Tony Khan confirmed there would be a Kingston match at the next ROH PPV - I forget if he mentioned whether it’d be for the “triple crown” or just the ROH title.
I think the Continental Crown is its own specific championship and the other two can be separated from it. The concept of the Continental Classic wasn’t originally supposed to be for the ROH or Strong titles, but Eddie (kayfabe obv) offered them up to the tournament because he held both heading in and said if he lost, he wouldn’t be worthy of the belts. A little confusing naming convention for sure, but Eddie is the Continental Crown champion because he won the Continental Classic - and he’s a “triple crown” champion because he now holds 3 titles at once. At least that’s how I’ve come to understand it.
That Darby spot was crazy but the dude is also a trained stuntman and - while obviously mega dangerous - that’s sorta what stuntmen do. I’ve always been of the mindset to not to judge a wrestler for wrestling the way they want to as long as they’re safe to their opponents. If Darby wants to do wild stunts, that’s on him. I wish him all the best and hope he stays as safe as possible doing it. That said, the crazy fudge is about to climb Mount Everest at the end of the month. That’s literally defying death considering plenty of people die attempting it. Best of luck to the ol’ boy.
Anyhow - Okada in AEW officially now. Ya love to see it. Okada, Ospreay, Omega, Takecrapa, Mercedes, Deeb, Shida, etc etc. AEW is fudgein stacked tight now, and if the build to Revolution + the show itself is any indication, the stories are about to be that much better from now on. Cool new stage for Dynamite too, always love a good ol’ switchup.
Y2k
8-Mar(#63)It's smart to set up Okada, Ospreay, and Takecrapa with solid mouthpieces like the Bucks and Don Callis while they develop that skill. Ospreay's talking isn't that bad so he'll probably ditch Ol' Don sooner than later.
Heh, I still remember when Callis was an actual wrestler in Winnipeg and his stupid gimmick of 'The Natural', dressing like the lovechild of Randy Savage and Ric Flair and copying their mannerisms. He's come a long way. His actual in-ring stuff wasn't terrible. It was just a weird trying to get behind someone cosplaying as two other current wrestlers. Back then, they had Jericho, Lance Storm, (HA) The Natural, and a couple jabronis called The Male Nurse and Sexton Hardcastle that seemed like they could go far. They had a few former AWA/WWE guys like Jim Brunzel wandering around from time to time, as well. I think most of them became singles and/or tag team world champions in the big leagues (WWE, WCW, ECW) at the time. I'm not sure there's anyone wrestling in there (CWE) now that shows much potential to go big but I might go check out their show on the 30th since it's only 10 minutes away from my home in the bush. $20 for a VIP ticket...a little different from the $300 AEW ticket and $250 WWE tickets....and Savio Vega's on the card so there's that.
BloodPuppetX
8-Mar(#68)BucketofJustice wrote:> Pretty sure X-Pac was part of the nWo induction.
He was. I remember that because it was kinda weird.
theJaw
9-Mar(#72)Smackdown was a snooze last night. Less than a half hour of wrestling on a two hour show is unacceptable. At least the last 30 seconds were interesting.
I wouldn’t want a 3-hour Dynamite. It would result in filler and that’s a no go. AEW already has Rampage and ROH to hone anyone they need to (on top of Dynamite and Collision, where plenty of younger guys are utilized and more likely to get some coaching). Plus they can wrestle indies if it doesn’t overlap with their AEW schedule. If Raw has proven anything, it’s that a 3-hour weekly show isn’t a guaranteed great idea.
theJaw
* 10-Mar(#74)I’d rather wrestlers be up front and honest. It’s a novel idea in pro wrestling but refreshing. Plus, of course anybody who used to be in WWE will eventually show back up in WWE at some point unless they stay under contract with AEW forever. I’m still pumped for her AEW run, that women’s roster is gonna be wild and the matches will rule. Alls I need.
And imo Okada is worth every cent. Lots of folks have been coming out of the woodwork praising that, suggesting that WWE has been underpaying their roster for years and this will just help wrestlers realize there really is more than one big company they can work for. Helps the business. (But I dunno if anyone’s confirmed that or what the deal is there.)
theJaw
10-Mar(#75)Anyhow, Collision was good stuff tonight. Briscoe/Lethal/Jarrett vs House of Black was a way more fun main event than it had any right being, and the rest of the card was solid. Danielson vs Shane Taylor was real good. Never really been sold on Taylor but gotta admit he moves great for a dude his size and held his own against one of the best.
theJaw
* 10-Mar(#77)Wrestlers have been trying to unionize for decades because several don’t feel they’re all paid correctly or treated equally given the work they do. But what you said about AEW is true - and that’s my point. WWE began paying more because AEW started offering more up front. Okada being paid like the star he is will only create more opportunities for wrestlers to make good money outside of the Rocks, Romans, Cenas and Lesnars of the world.
“A rising tide lifts all boats.”
theJaw
* 10-Mar(#79)To be fair, it’s arbitrary. Funaki was by and far the better wrestler, but McMahon chose to push Cena as the star. Funaki should only not make as much as Cena now because of their career trajectories as dictated by one other person’s preference. It is sorta weird in that respect, but it’s just the norm in pro wrestling.
Regardless, the point there is that several wrestlers - good or bad - have criticized WWE for pay. Otherwise, I’m just saying Okada’s worth the price and it sets a good precedent for the business in general. People can prove themselves and make the money they’re worth in more than one spot.
theJaw
* 10-Mar(#81)He's just one piece of the puzzle there. You need to spend money to make it, and he's an incredible wrestler. He's worth it for the risk alone and deserves the bag.
At the risk of getting negged up for my take here (obv not trying to argue) -- but the ratings discourse is pointless. Dynamite's constantly the top show on Wednesdays for TBS and oftentimes the top show on cable for the night. Constantly touted as a top brand by WBD. They don't need to be doing WWE numbers, ratings-wise, to be successful in that metric. They could stay the course and WBD should be perfectly happy with the performance unless something huge changes the TV landscape... which doesn't seem to be happening considering the Nielsen ratings are getting less and less important every year. Even WWE's highest rated show only barely sneaks into the annual Top 100... so AEW's ratings really are a nonissue. Wrestling is niche, nothing is changing that.
Already got into the ticket sale/building size thing and it was as unpopular to defend here as I'm sure it is to defend AEW's ratings, so I won't get into all that again. I'll just say that of course they could be doing better in that regard.
As a fan, all I care about is good wrestling on my wrestling shows. I don't care about ratings or ticket sales -- though I do admit I've been duped into doing this research in the past to see if there really is anything behind all the doomposting on the internet... but there really isn't. At the end of the day, Khan could've paid Okada 300 million and it'd mean absolutely nothing to me, it's his money to spend... if it translates to good wrestling and another attractive spot for wrestlers to make money, I'm down for it.