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bogo wrote:
the skipping of the cutscenes are
This reminds me of the elevator/train cutscenes in Metroid Dread. Those scenes were on the screen for a very long time, but that's probably because it's rendering the map/content in the background.

I agree that some variety would be nice. Maybe some combat scenes or something. Not just the same screen.

The weapons are the biggest point of contention in BOTW. Just increase durability a lot and that probably eliminates it. Like 400%. Let the Master Sword last a lot longer too, or have enemies that can nullify its damage or something.

@nonamesleft yes

I could complain about cooking too. It could be streamlined quite a bit.

Breath Of The Wild is a terrible Legend Of Zelda game. More worse than Phantom Hourglass.

Bring back the hookshot!

Weapon durability is nothing once you get the master sword. You chuck weapons left and right. Leave them in the shrines. I don't know a better solution... Fallout 3 where it slows you down to a crawl? Witcher 3 where you sell 100's of things for peanuts in a town? Not a fan of infinite storage as it creates huge imbalences. Wind Waker where the weapons disappear as soon as you leave an area. Old school Zelda where you only get a dozen weapons or tools? I see Fallout 3 and BotW equivalent. I'd rather not spend hours in shops selling crap. Either one of the former, doesn't bother me.

Also could go RE4 style where you get so many "blocks" of storage, and items take up different amounts of space. This would be terrible.

lordly_llama wrote:
Ouch. I don't hear that too often about BOTW, but you're allowed to have your opinion. What didn't you like about it?

Have you played many games in the series? Which Legend of Zelda game did you like the most?

bill wrote:
:) Brings me back to Oracle of Ages. Hookshot was great.

nonamesleft wrote:


It's actually a very common response on boards and forums.

thats one of my biggest grips with BotW...you get all of the fancy new things on the Great plateau and then thats it (minus the Champion abilities). if there were old school tools like the hookshot that helped you to get to new areas in the overworld, that would make things a bit more enjoyable.

although, half of the fun with BotW was that you could go anywhere and everywhere right from the get go if you were crafty enough

KCPenguins wrote:
Interesting. Is there a commonly disliked element to the game?

Yeah, I'm curious what @lordly_llama doesn't like about BotW.
I can imagine since BotW was different in many ways.

Phantom Hourglass is the worst for me, I didn't even finish it.

bill wrote:
What about Spirit Tracks?

Never heard of it! bad?

bill wrote:
I don't know. It was the 2nd one released for DS, after Phantom Hourglass. I heard good things about it, but haven't played it.

Here is Spirit Tracks, bill:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E99t054qlwA

It uses touch controls just like PH. If you didn't like that one you probably wouldn't like ST either. It also has the worst rhythm sections of any Zelda game ever.

Hm, I still have my old DS in the closet.

Spirit Tracks was better than Phantom Hour glass IMO.

bogo wrote:

Therein lies the problem. Open world doesn't really mesh with the Zelda formula. I'd much rather have a traditional Zelda game that takes place in a huge world with tons of room for exploration, but you slowly gain access to all of it as you acquire new items and abilities. I don't need to be able to go literally everywhere right from the very start. People's obsession with that is what forced this to be a "bad Zelda game". It's still a great game though.

It's been awhile, and I binged/rushed through BotW; however ... at first I hated the durability, but because of it, it created more diversity in being forced to have to change weapons. Again at first, hated it, but later ... I kinda grew fond of it. How many games out there do they give you tons of options, but ultimately you use 10% of them? While annoying, it does create/force you to check out more options and adds some diversity into the gameplay.

With Nintendo constantly relying on their old IP, and re-releasing stuff, I'm still amazed we haven't seen re-releases of the handhelds. Oracle games, Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, etc. EASY cash cow that they're not milking nearly enough.

@bill I played through PH and ST not long ago. IMO, ST is better than PH in MOST ways, but the main way that's it's worse is a big one. The travel system in ST is just awful. I'm not even a big fan of the water travel in PH/WW, but the train in ST sucks big time. It's actually kind of fun when you first start, but it very quickly becomes a huge chore to travel anywhere as your map gets bigger and bigger. They tried to help with this by adding a fast travel system, but it's kind of cumbersome to use and really doesn't help that much. If you can get past the train though, it's a very fun Zelda game. It's still touch-controls though, so if that's what you hated about PH, forget about it.

I think I still have the cart of PH. Maybe I should try it again. I can't remember specifically what I disliked about it. I think it was something about returning to a central dungeon that had timed elements (the hourglass?). I didn't enjoy that play and/or struggled with it. In most games, I disliked timed stuff.

Honestly, Spirit Tracks doesn't look great to me and it seems like it's not especially easy/cheap to acquire, so we'll see.

I actually picked up Skyward Sword for Switch recently (never played it), so I should do that next regardless. But, I'm still replaying BotW some right now. Not sure I'll do the endgame, but I did the divine beasts and have plenty of shrines still to do.

MrBean wrote:

I've been dreaming about an 'all stars' type release of the GBC/GBA games, but the PH/ST would likely be too difficult to port to anything because of the touch controls. they would have to completely redo the major function of the games. It's not impossible, but not as easy of a cash grab

That said, from what i remember, i actually enjoyed both PH and ST. they were different and the touch controls were a bit cumbersome at times, but the games were short enough, where i was still able to finish them

I agree that BotW wasn't a great Zelda game, though it was a good game overall if you're into open world. For me, when I have the ability to randomly wander I tend to get disconnected from / not give a crap about the main story / quest line. Also, the temples where you just fought the machines over and over again got old really fast... though I did enjoy the ones with the puzzles.

I also wish there were more challenging aspects to the game.. the only thing truly challenging was the black minotaur/tiger thingey.

I agree with whoever said the cooking mechanic needed to be streamlined.. it wasn't really fun after the novelty wore off and just became a chore where you needed a guide to know how to cook good dishes.

Lastly, I wanted more quest lines like the one where you helped build that new village on the lake island... or more things to do to upgrade your house, more challenges/meaningful reasons to use shield surfing which was fun as well. I thought it could have gone alot deeper on the quest line side of things I guess. Quantity =/= quality.

bogo wrote:

I doubt they'll ever re-vamp these two games to use traditional controls. Changing the movement to a control stick or dpad and swinging your sword to a button would be easy enough, but there were a lot of other things that required touch controls, like mapping out the path of your boomerang and stuff like that. They would have to change a lot. The games were completely designed around using touch controls for everything.


I really enjoyed both of them as well. I first played PH shortly after it came out. I was enjoying it, but for some reason only made it about 1/3 of the way through the game before getting sidetracked. I finally returned to it a couple years ago and beat it, then went on to beat ST as well. They're very solid Zelda games if you can get past the touch controls, and that stupid train!

bill wrote:

Yeah, a lot of people don't like that dungeon that you return to multiple times. I actually liked it quite a bit. That bad news is, there's something similar in ST, and it's even harder IMO.


If you ever want to play it you can borrow my copy.

Snappy wrote:

Yeah, I'm definitely hoping TotK has more challenging combat. We need more variety in how you can attack enemies, and how they attack you. Once you mastered the flurry rush in BotW, the game became way too easy. I eventually got to where even the Lynels were easy to beat. I used to go around after every red moon and re-fight all of the Silver Lynels to stock up on good supplies. I got to where I could defeat all of them in about 20-30 minutes, and that was including travel time.


I actually really enjoyed cooking. I spent a lot of time researching all of the best dishes, and used them heavily. I just wish there had been a section that saved any dish you had cooked in the past so that you could quickly cook it again without going through and selecting all of the ingredients every single time.

@Scott Thanks for the offer! ...we'll see.


Snappy wrote:

It's interesting you put it this way. I tend to really like open world games and also have mixed feelings about main story quests. I often wonder if they could just make an open world game without quests at all. I think I'd like that the most. Though, it is good to have some narrative reason for motivation. All the cutscenes, characters arcs, and boss battles associated with quests and such have less appeal for me these days. They feel mostly tedious (a bit silly, overwrought, similar to other stuff, etc.).

either way, based on the trailers, it looks like TotK will likely have 7 main dungeons (based on the number of 'tears'), so they will likely be traditional dungeons. just not 100% sure what the outcome of those may be. could be an item, could be vial of whatever the blue stuff is Link has in the trailers...or something completely different

Scott wrote:


I don't get this complaint coming from someone asking for a more traditional Zelda. BotW has a wide variety of ways to attack most enemies, including the environment. Traditional Zelda's typically have 1 way to attack, and it's usually spoonfed to the player.

What traditional Zelda had more challenging combat? I guarantee I died more in my first playthrough in BotW than my 1st playthrough of OoT, WW, TP and SS combined.

Do you want Zelda Dread? Remove exploration and turn it into a boss rush game?

KCPenguins wrote:

Fair question! There's not much they can do with combat in the 2D games so I accept it there, but one of my main complaints about the 3D Zelda games has always been that the combat is far too basic and simple (lock on, swing or jab, backflip to dodge, repeat). So traditional Zelda or not, I've always wanted more challenging, intricate combat. I do appreciate the ways Breath of the Wild "opened up the world" so to speak. There were tons of things you could do in BotW that had never been possible before, and I loved it. It's really just the sword combat that I want to see improved. I wasn't one to stay back and kill enemies by chucking a hundred bombs at them. I would do that sometimes when necessary (mostly in the early game), but the vast majority of my damage was done with the weapons. Improving enemy types and attack patterns would help tremendously. BotW was severely lacking in enemy variety, so you got very used to how to defeat the 3-4 main enemy types very early on, and then it became super repetitive. I'm hoping TotK brings in many more of the enemies that have been in the Zelda games throughout the years.

KCPenguins wrote:

I wasn't asserting that traditional Zelda had more challenging combat. I would like it if traditional Zelda and BotW both had more challenging combat in general, or at least more opportunities for challenging combat, even if they are optional.

I thought BotW had a good amount of challenging combat, and like most games once you figure out some tips and tricks they become easier. I still haven't beaten the boss in the DLC.

It's not really a tip or trick, it's one of the main combat moves that the game really pushes. As soon as you get good at it, it completely breaks combat. It makes a much bigger difference than just combat becoming easier as you get good at it, like in most games. Besides, in most games, enemies become harder as you progress, but in BotW, they don't really become harder, they just give them more hit points and weapons with higher attack. They just take longer to defeat, but they're not harder. The exception is Lynels, the higher classes actually have more challenging moves and patterns.

bill wrote:

This is why I've come to prefer open world over regular JRPGs. Just too much damn dialogue!

bill wrote:

You make a good point. Since I like to read a lot of novels I often find the actual plot lines in video games to be super shallow and boring, with some exceptions like some of the point and click adventures and a game like Heavy Rain.

So yeah.. maybe my problem isn't the open world as much as it is the storylines are super boring and uninteresting to me. LOL

KCPenguins wrote:

You're right that the trials DLC or whatever it's called is pretty darn challenging - forgot about that. The one where if you die you have to start over. I guess it was probably made to satiate people like me ha ha

@bill

1.) The Master Sword needs a cooldown/repair. THE FUDGING MASTER SWORD.

2.) There are no true dungeons. Only bullcrap puzzle dungeons.

lordly_llama wrote:

It's unfortunate that Nintendo looked to the West on this game. It's just open world trash, honestly. I was running across the map while simultaneously looking at my phone while playing it and was like... Yeah this is boring. And the tiny dungeons for hearts or whatever, not fun at all.

It sucks that the master sword can't be used much in BotW. Feels wrong, so wrong.

I like the bullcrap puzzle dungeons, though.

I enjoyed the Shrines quite a bit, but didn't care for the Divine Beasts. Traditional dungeons + shrines would be perfect.