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@BucketofJustice Yeah, I just disagree entirely on literally everything you said other than they could have built up this match a little earlier. But yah, otherwise I just don't agree with you. But it's pointless to argue wrestling these days. All subjective, we all have what we dig and don't dig.

It's cool. We agree to disagree. No interest in arguing over wrestling again. If I want to see stupid crap like that I'll open up Twitter haha.

Lol yah, that website is what made me so adverse to arguing about this stuff. The ol’ graps are ultimately all for fun.

I agree with that. Nothing will suit everyone, but I'm glad there's so much of it out there. Also, there's always good in the bad stuff and bad in the good stuff. It's all perspective.

Pretty cool video. Rockstar wanted to make an ECW game, but they just needed to wait for Grand Theft Auto to take off because they knew it was gonna be a hit. Unfortunately ECW couldn't wait and Acclaim approached them and already had the money to offer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3S_JgpYFIk

Gonna have to watch that later.

Allegedly, Vince wants to return to WWE, thinking he got bad advice from people when the scandals came out and everything would've blown over if he stayed. I hope he stays the hell away. WWE has been so much better without him. Also, new allegations and a lawsuit from a returning allegation happened... so I hope his genetic jackhammer keeps him busy forever and he can't come back.

BucketofJustice wrote:

I just wrote about this! Saw yours and deleted mine lol....I agree VKM needs to stay away.

Vince McMahon coming back, even if he didn't undo all of the changes Triple H made for the better in his absence, just might be enough to get me to stop watching. The company's stock dropped just from that news yesterday, and it hadn't even been confirmed yet, that should be all it takes to tell you he's not wanted anymore.

Tony Khan is probably breathing a sigh of relief at that news.

Mandy Rose just made Santa's naughty list.

This has to be great news for Tony Khan. AEW has great matches, but crap booking and it's been that way for most of this year. Great matches is always a good thing, but if it was the most important thing then RoH would've been flourishing for years and wouldn't have been sold off twice and we wouldn't have had to suffer through Chris Jericho: the Ocho. Tony needs to delegate a little bit more, and not delegate to his EVPs.

If Vince returns, and I don't know the law or anything but the amount of stock he still has leads me to think he can do whatever he wants, that company is in so much hot water. I'd also imagine the SEC would also get all up in that ass about it as well.

Mandy Rose getting released is some bullcrap, if you ask me.

Allegedly Mandy had been asking for her release for a while and wants to get out of the business. She most likely took a significant pay cut when sent down to NXT last year because she was unwilling to get vaccinated when the company was allowed to start hitting the road again and I guess she thought this was an easy way to recover some of that.

Do I have someone blocked in here? Or am I just missing the context as to why Vince not returning to WWE would be a relief to Khan? Admittedly feel like I'm missing something, cause I feel like Khan would relish in the infamously out-of-touch McMahon returning to WWE.

Meanwhile, I am gonna touch on the "crap booking" criticism for a sec. Obviously not intended to be an argument, I just type too much. But to be fair, ROH didn't flourish because they never got the backing to allow for that. Sinclair Broadcasting did nothing with the brand, so brand awareness was bottom of the barrel. It was a mistake to sell to them back in 2011. There's a reason Khan promoting the brand on a legitimate TV network has resulted in the 3 most-watched/ordered and most-attended ROH shows in the company's history. They were never going to receive a legitimate TV deal based on that alone, but I just don't agree that their reliance on great wrestling is the reason it didn't reach its potential. AEW's ratings and buyrates have either grown or stayed steady over their few years on TV, and WBD have praised its performance several times - so they're in no trouble, and have only reached the level they're at based mostly on great matches as opposed to consistently spectacular booking. I only mention all that because I enjoyed Jericho's ROH title run and the various ROH segments that'd pop up on AEW TV. In fact, I have no idea why people are so adverse to it - if Khan had never bought the ROH brand, we'd still have the same roster, same matches, mostly same stories. The general wrestling style didn't change, so it really is just the fact that the three letters "ROH" appear on programming and I'm not entirely sure what the issue is there, but folks have criticized it so oh well. Either way, I don't feel there is any true way to measure the quality of Tony Khan's booking in any objective way unless they start hemorrhaging their audience as opposed to growing it - so I don't think he NEEDS to start delegating right now (but totally respect anyone who feels otherwise). I mean, I wouldn't MIND seeing him delegate to other bookers, but I also don't have any HUGE issues with his booking thus far so can't say I'd care either way. I at least appreciate that he either nixes or vastly changes angles that aren't connecting with audiences.

All that said, enough folks have been critical of 2022 AEW so I may be in the minority here, I just don't feel they're in "creatively bankrupt" territory or are in any danger of overall failure.

ANYHOW, I'd also be pretty shocked if McMahon returned to WWE and really, really, really hope that doesn't happen. WWE is still working its way out of what actually WAS a creatively bankrupt era and I'd hate to seem them dip back into it. Also Mandy Rose getting released for being naked on the internet is a little goofy. I mean, I get the reason they did it, but don't feel it should be a fire-able offense in the first place. If she wanted out of her contract, more power to her, but in a world where the Usos can drive drunk and still be awarded title after title, this seems like a silly reason to terminate somebody.

theJaw wrote:


No we meant if Vince did return to WWE, that would probably be good news to Tony.

Ahh gotcha, and yah I agree entirely.

This old debate again, WCW/nWo Revenge vs WWF No Mercy. Who ya got?
Personally I haven't played either in a long time, but I can't recall Revenge doing anything better than No Mercy, feature or gameplay-wise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yusGhCkQ6jc

Yea I think gameplay wise No Mercy wins hands down. It really comes down to what roster do you want to play with. I loved (love) them both. Such good memories with WCW vs NWO World Tour. I called around to every babbages/kaybe toys in the Charlotte area trying to find one in stock. Spent $85 on it and assuredly got my moneys worth with how much I played it.

Edit: really hope this AEW game lives up to my hype and brings back this classic wrestling gameplay style

I love both. I had more fun with friends when we played Revenge. No Mercy was a better game, in my opinion. Revenge will win for me now, and maybe later when my mood is different No Mercy may win.

I think AEW's game will be a decent foundation, but it won't be very good. Kind of like TNA had a solid foundation with their first game, and hopefully AEW will get to build on it where TNA was unable to.

I bought Billy Gunn shorts and a WWF lamp.

https://stashpages.us/products/ass-man-shorts-pink

https://stashpages.us/products/golden-era-acrylic-...

These are going to be awesome.

BucketofJustice wrote:

lol let's fudgein go.

Also: I played way more WCW/nWo Revenge as a kid than No Mercy for some reason. I was always a WWF kid back then, so maybe Revenge was just available at my local rental spot. But I love that game and for nostalgia purposes alone, I'd probably choose Revenge.

I remember very vividly thinking it was weird how up to date the game was for the time it was released. It released in October 1998 (yep, I googled it) and it had the Wolfpac and Sting had the red and black and they had Wolfpac gear for Macho Man and I think Goldberg was even the World Champion.

WWF War zone had guys in it that weren't there for like 8 months before it came out. Apparently Acclaim devs fought to keep them in when WWF wanted them out (for obvious reasons). That game was great for its time, but everything they did from Attitude to Legends of Wrestling was bad. I really... really... really wanted that series to work. Those games all felt like a good foundation for something grander, but never got to realize 1% of that potential.

That Jamie Hayter vs Hikaru Shida main event on Dynamite was fudging awesome.

Tonight’s Dynamite delivered such a fun gosh darn night of wrestling.

Guess AEW is doing their first show here in Seattle next week. Want to go but kids don’t get out of school till 3:40 and the show starts at 4pm, assume to hit the east coast live at 7

East Coast should be 8PM air time. You're probably getting a bunch of Dark or Elevation matches first then. Have fun if you go!

Ah yea that makes sense.

RIP Don West

I soured on No Mercy because I had one of the glitched carts that deleted your single player progress. It also have pretty bad slowdown in some instances.

Howdy i'm back

Anyway All im going to say i been watching wwe nxt and aew occasionally.

Hopefully aj styles isnt out long with his injury

Don West will be missed

happy new year to all the wresting fans in here

WWE could not have presented a more boring episode of Raw if they actively tried. The opening promised a show that they didn’t deliver, instead opting for 2 filler matches that did nothing to progress the Bloodline story. The main event was a good match that ultimately resulted in a flat finish for the episode overall. Mia Yim was used as a scapegoat to protect the other ladies involved in that match. Alexa Bliss was OFF big time, and the Wyatt stuff is really, really bad.

This is not how I wanted the Triple H era to start, but my fingers are still crossed.

Taking Wednesday off for NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 17. On the East Coast, so I’ll need to nap after work on Tuesday so I can be up by 1:20 AM for the start of the show. Despite that, veeeeeey pumped to watch.

I'll probably try to download Wrestle Kingdom tomorrow. I don't want to have to sit at my PC all night, I'd be more than willing to subscribe to NJPW World if they'd finally put the freakin' app on Roku already.

PizzaTheHutt wrote:

I guess it works real well on Xbox One’s browser if you have one. At least that’s what I’ve read.

I just have my laptop hooked up to my giant TV right now. Gonna have to hope my 2 1/2 nap that I woke up from at 8:30 is enough to suffice until the morning haha. No way I’m missing Ospreay/Omega live (unless I pass out and/or away).

Mercedes Mone (Sasha Banks) in NJPW. Ya love to see it!

It was flat for me. I thought her hair looked dumb as hell. I imagine the attention to detail was exquisite and props to whoever did it, but not for me.

Her hair was stupid looking, and the one move they did was a little rushed, but I’m more just excited for the possibilities it opens up. An actually good wrestler getting to actually wrestle without constraints is always good to see. I dunno if you watched it as it aired, but it was also just cool to see happen live. It was a legit moment. She got a huge pop when she entered, despite the WWE internet diehards who are downplaying it because the Japanese-speaking audience who were legit told to only cheer in 20-second spurts didn’t react belligerently for every single sentence of her promo like US fans would.

Anyhow, I doubt any match this year tops Omega/Ospreay. A near perfect match if I’ve ever seen one. And Okada/White was fantastic as well, especially the last 10 minutes or so. The last sequence was out of this world good.

Overall, even with the somewhat short matches in the undercard, Wrestle Kingdom set an extremely high bar for 2023.

I didn't watch live. I don't have New Japan World. I have enough streaming services as it is.

I hope the possibilities she has set the world on fire. It's always great to hear stuff like a good wrestler being able to wrestle without constraints like they have in WWE, but we'll have to wait and see what happens. It could be great, or it could flop.

Alls I need are good matches. That’s all I’m hoping for, and the landscape is huge.

If you ever feel like borrowing my NJPW World or ROH Honor Club login, let me know. You helped me get into this type of wrestling with our old ROH DVD trades haha. Totally down for sharing, and that goes for anyone else in the thread too. If yall feel like watching some good stuff, let me know.

Is it Monet or Money? Seems like no one knows.