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He is an excellent 'game manager', but that might get perceived as an insult. Near 4 year starter at Iowa State, he knows his crap. That team is loaded, making runs. Rooting for them if KC can't repeat.

Browns with a huge W. 3rd String QB gets the W with Watson a "healthy" scratch for the second straight week.

And down goes the Eagles... to the Jets.

Oof, the Deshaun Watson trade looking like the worst trade ever.

KCPenguins wrote:

It's the Browns being the Browns

Deshaun's guaranteed money is what is so painful. Sure, give the guy a 2nd chance if you can rationalize that and live with yourself. Ok. But handing him $230M no matter what is just another feather in the hat of Browns bad decisions.

On another note, I saw something that the Giants scored their first touchdown at home this season so far lol. And it was the first touchdown in the 1st half this season? In the 7th game? Yikes.

Anxiouz wrote:


Pretty sure Watson said he didn't want to go to Cleveland before they agreed to terms. I think the contract was the only way they'd get him to waive his no trade clause.

On the radio they said it was the Giants first (offensive?) TD since Sept 21st.

Not much of a Football fan, but I do enjoy seeing Buffalo struggle. I guess part of it was I never really found a team I could cheer for. The closest was Maybe Seattle do to proximity.

Finn wrote:


Curious as to why?

KCPenguins wrote:


Loud mouth Buffalo fans. There was that one guy here years ago, but my dislike of Buffalo sports team's predates that. Went to school with an obnoxious Bill's fan, worked with some nut ball Buffalo Sabres/Bills fans. they just rub me the wrong way. It seems to be a common thing that the vast majority of the Buffalo fans I have come into contact with have all been some of the worst examples of sports fans.

Same reason I can't stand Ohio State haha.

Jags best win streak in the NFL.

Maybe this is finally the year!

It does my heart good to know I am among fellow Bills/Ohio State dislike-ers solely due to their fanbases. Though, every fanbase has their share.

incubus421 wrote:


This, a 1000 times this. I've had many friends and colleagues who were fans of bitter rivals in all sports, college and pro, and save for 1 they all kept it friendly. As a former STH, I can say some of the home fans were worse than some of the visiting fans. The much higher percentage was good though, it was just a few bad apples.

Interesting week. Texans flexing. I certainly didn't expect them in playoff contention. Stroud playing very well. Purdy back on track. Dobbs incredibly played well with 10 days on the team. Cleveland owns the Ravens.

Wouldn’t be too upset if they clean this falcons staff out. Almost two wasted years with indecisive draft picks and still no QB stepping up. It’s the inability to go with a plan that’s really frustrating. These are bad decisions.

I feel you Feeb, I feel whole heartedly that this is the worst Pats team the nation has seen in 25+ years. Usually I feel like the Giants are the "what the hell is this team doing" team. This year, it's the Pats...the personnel is wrong, players aren't living up to expectations, finding new and interesting ways to lose. It's the Pats this year.

Terrible in FA
Terrible QB options. Mac Jones is making high school level embarrassing decisions, coaching staff embarrassing themselves putting in Zappe in a two minute drill after the starting QB made a debacle of the whole thing.
No true WR1
Run game I like and the defense is good, except our two best skill players are out for the season, Judon and rookie Christian Gonzales.

Just a rough, rough season. Pats had it coming.

In other news, Josh Dobbs and the Vikings are rallying and have a lot of momentum, I'm happy for them. Stroud is the first Ohio State QB to hit the ground running in the NFL in a long long time....maybe ever. I hope he keeps it up.

Yeah the pats are in free fall post Brady. That situation is pretty tough because Bill has kinda earned the unlimited time. Still there is a limit to fans’ patience.

Maybe I'm being a boomer but QB play across the league just feels terrible this year. Obviously some guys are still good but it gets rough fast after the top guys.

I think it’s because there is an abundance of young QBs and “sheltered” QBs. Those that came up on bad teams and worked with untrusting staff and limited playbook. Falcons (smith philosophy in general) are a prime example of a system that makes / shelters bad QBs the last few years. They never grow and/ or are not allowed to and it’s awful to watch.

Feeb wrote:

^ This.

Last night Chris Collinsworth said that Zach Wilson should be looking at half the field right now. WTF are you talking about? He's been in the league three years. If you can't go through all of your reads and assess the defense at this point, it's done.

QB has gone from the most talented guy to the liability. It’s like something you need to work around in many offenses. Seriously I think the falcons have lost 3-4 just because of a few bad QB plays. Find a competent dude.

Joe Burrow out for the season, and it looks like Mark Andrews as well, so thats two huge blows to two AFC contenders. Bills and Chargers are in the toilet, Jags/Trevor Lawrence are pretenders, so it looks like its up to the Chiefs and Dolphins to represent the AFC as true contenders for the championship.

back4more wrote:


At least the Jags beat a team with a winning record.

Not NFL, but Iowa State had an interesting game against ranked K-State last night. They scored 6 offensive TD's despite only having 2 plays in K-State territory. K-State had 32 first downs on 102 offensive plays. Iowa State only had 10 first downs on 35 plays (K-State nearly had as many first downs as ISU had offensive snaps). They both had nearly 500 yards of offense. Cyclones averaged 13.9 yards per play. Aside from one 33 yard pass, their next shortest score was 60 yards. Their RB had scores of 60, 71 and 77. Their wr had scores from 77 and 82. Insane.

CJ Stroud is legit. Texans Browns'd the Browns. OSU Finally has it's first NFL QB.

Mahomes is out there looking like a real whine ass right now. The post game presser was particularly picante.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T3AmTfY6ppQ


LOL... Geno Smith on Aaron Donald. (10 secs)

Christmas week NFL line-up:

Thu - Amazon
Sat - NBC, Peacock
Sun - NFLN
Mon - CBS, Fox, ABC

7 Providers in 1 weekend. I'd love to have just 1 of those paydays... lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/C1DBgzrJuiJ/?utm_sourc...

Nickelodeon roasting Chief's wr MVS. They could've picked 3 others honestly.

WOW, Broncos are benching Wilson. Russ couldn't even last a year under Payton?

back4more wrote:


I just saw that. Looks like a $40-50M cap hit next year if they release him as reported. Are they going to try to trade him, and if no suiters they take the cap offset? Who signs him if free? He likely wants to start still. A handful of spots open on the cheap with Denver paying his salary. Screams of Belichick's last stand in NE. Titans, Bears, Vikings, Giants, Raiders as other options. If none of those back-up to Watson in Cle or Purdy in SF if the price is right.

Wilson is tied for 4th most passing TDs with 26, and a very respectable 8 INTs. Vikings would probably be a good fit if Kirk's Cousin leaves.

My god did Detroit get hosed at the end. I want to know who got the flag thrown, cause it was well after the play. If Decker didn't report there should have been two other flags thrown before he caught it (illegal formation and illegal man down field). Can't wait to see Jomboy's break down.

Yea just another terrible call at the end of a game that steals a victory from a team.

It's occurring more frequently I think and needs to be remedied.

This one was by far the shadiest. The flag was SOOOO LATE and out of place. The ref fudgeed up by not getting clarification on the UNTIMED down after having two linemen requesting to be eligible. This one needs investigated and a response from the NFL. There is 0 chance the refs didn't fudge up.

https://www.nfl.com/news/league-sends-video-to-tea...-

No surprise they are blaming the player while (reportedly) quietly demoting the ref from the play-offs. Complete bullcrap. Someone who lost a decent amount of cash who is loaded should sue the NFL just to get the audio and any conversations behind closed doors exposed.

I believe the ref just fudgeed up, but that should've been the response. This was not on the player, this was on the refs. They missed 2 penalties and failed to call a third until presumably Dallas players protested well after the play. They thought he was eligible by not throwing any of those 3 penalties. Not a Dallas hater nor a Detroit fan, have no real rooting interest in the NFC aside from a light hearted 'I'll root for them' (9rs this year). Bad look for the NFL, and is the first time that seriously makes me wonder why be a fan?

Time after time the league covers the crappy refs by putting out a worthless yeah they got it wrong statement, our like this ref squad demotion, while not doing much of anything to improve officiating. As much money as the league makes why not make ref jobs full time and train the hell out of them? Or add a ref or two to each ref team. Oh I know why, because the fans will dog and complain but will still pay rediculous amounts of money for all things NFL.

Nothing new for my Lions. We have had so many bad calls and rules made up on us it’s not even funny. Playing in Dallas is horrible.

back4more wrote:


What really irks me this time is there was 0 chance the ref didn't get it wrong, yet they put 0 blame on the ref. Literally the ref fudgeed up multiple times on a single play any which way you slice it that likely determined a game with major play-off implications, and publicly the league blamed the players. Hot garbage.

Excited to see if the Steelers can make the playoffs today.