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I'm not working through Final Fantasy XVI as fast as everyone else, so I apologize, but I'm partway through the fight between

and hot damn. This is the most metal Final Fantasy ever.

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Okay, second most metal Final Fantasy ever.

@Renaissance2K those fights were so amazing, absolutely my favorite part of the game.

Ever Crisis trailer.

What the hell, comes out this week?? I thought it was only mobile but this is for Steam? Awesome. Would prefer console but I'll take it!

https://youtu.be/E25MT5bMd0k

So, I'm at what must be nearly the end of Final Fantasy XVI and was looking forward to getting some closure this week.

And then, in a moment of sheer unexplained stupidity, I grabbed the hot-from-the-oven bare metal handle of a cooking pan.

The way it's looking, I'm not going to win any Cinematic Clashes any time soon.

Ow.

@Renaissance2K oooofff that sucks, how bad?

So what is Ever Crisis? Google says some Gacha Game. Boy they're really milking FF7 to death

Kommie wrote:

Yeah I'm still confused too. Guess it's a mash up of all the overall FF7 games and story lines, the highlights or some crap? Sounds like a cliff notes version of all the games.

MrBean wrote:

A cliff notes version of an extraordinarily long RPG sounds pretty amazing. All the good story snd character development bits and none of the tedium/grind? I would be all in on that.

Except if its a gacha game it's probably all tedium and grind, and instead of the actual good bits you get reminders that the good bits exist and you are playing a dumb gacha game instead. Or at the very best, playing the same handful of good bits over and over ad nauseum until you are more than sick of them, and eventually you will unlock the next good bit.

benstylus wrote:

Agreed, I barely remember the actual stories in the surrounding games/movies ... so if they pull this off to tell a cohesive universe story ... could be cool!

Comes out Thursday, I'm gonna grab it on Steam.

MrBean wrote:

This morning, it actually doesn't look too terrible. Last night, it was excruciating. After twenty minutes of cold running water, an ice pack, and burn gel, it's a bit tender but manageable. It's right at the controller contact zone, though, so I should probably give it another day or two.

MrBean wrote:

That's the way they originally proposed it, and naturally, the fan base rejoiced. It included games and storylines like Before Crisis, which either haven't been released here or are no longer accessible.

Naturally, when the game finally dropped on mobile, it was full of gacha mechanics that make progression either incredibly slow or incredibly repetitive.

I guess Final Fantasy XV Pocket Edition wasn't a big success, or they probably would have just re-used that business model.

I wonder if I have played my last new FF game.. I didnt like 15 and now I didnt like 16 either :/

16 took a very long time to hit with me. I’m finally enjoying it and I’m probably more than halfway through it.

Free to play

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2484110/FINAL_F...

MrBean wrote:


The nail in the coffin for me

tonymack21 wrote:

I feel the same way. There hasn't been a turn based FF since X-2 came out in 2003. They have abandoned what made the series great a long time ago and unless they decide to go back I may be done although I loved FF7 remake and can't wait for Rebirth. The non-remade new games have been a disappointment for me though since X. It's not only about being turn based either, it's just that none of the new entries feel like traditional Final Fantasy games at all so don't call it Final Fantasy. Just because it has a fudging chocobo doesn't make it a Final Fantasy.

What pisses me off is Square Enix had no problem making Dragon Quest 11 which felt like a traditional Dragon Quest game and was turn based, but they can't do that with FF.

Square-Enix has decided that every Final Fantasy release has the potential to be a "cultural event" like they were in the PlayStation years. Regardless of whether or not that's true (it's not, IMO), they push for faddy, real-time, action-oriented designs in hopes that a number of new fans will be sucked into Atomos' maw. Longtime fans are going to buy the game anyway, or at least greatly outnumber the purists that realize the series smells different now and are no longer interested.

Dragon Quest, on the other hand, was never as big in North America as Final Fantasy. Especially since the Dragon Quest art style is a lot less expensive to develop than Final Fantasy constantly pushing the envelope (enough so that they can develop assets for three wildly-different art styles and include all of them in the same game), they're probably happy making that core audience happy and collecting that reliable dollop of income than trying to turn Dragon Quest into Call of Duty.

It’s time for a new old school medieval turn based ff game.

Renaissance2K wrote:

Isn't Baldur's Gate going to win GOTY or is a nominee. It's a turn based game that isn't catering to COD fans or any other type of fans and selling really well. I don't buy that making Final Fantasy an action game means more sales anyway. It may not have happened yet but sooner or later classic rpg lovers will protest with their wallet and I don't see anyone going "I hate rpgs but I'm going to buy Final Fantasy because it's more action oriented now". To me it's an exercise in stupidity. And I mean no disrespect to people that enjoy 15 and/or 16 for example if you enjoyed it great I just don't think you bought it in hopes of a pure action game but maybe I'm wrong.

It's like Resident Evil 5 came out and there was a big discussion about it being more like a third person COD shooter than a horror game especially when you played as Chris. The game sold well but I doubt it was because people that previously had no interest in the series went "Resident Evil is not scary anymore and I can go pew pew so I'll buy it" it was more like because it was the first HD Resident Evil and it had co-op.

justin_credible wrote:

Baldur's Gate III is the sequel to one of the most celebrated hardcore PC games of all time, which was released a whopping 23 years ago. Pent-up demand + great word of mouth - two decades of watering down the franchise with more lukewarm spin-offs than The Walking Dead on AMC = you win 2023.

And yeah, I totally agree the "change everything, win friends" approach is at best inefficient, at least ineffective, and at worst destructive. But the people who know that in the gaming industry - Hell, in most digital industries - are the ones taking orders from higher-ups or buying the end product, not the ones making decisions.

Didn't play XV DLC, dunno if I'll bother with XVI's

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/173296950816665...

Feeb wrote:

This.

Nah its time for a new old school Final Fantasy Tactics style game. Instead we will probably get Final Fantasy 7 dating sim or something (if dead by daylight can do it anyone can...)

They just did the triangle game. Snooze fest

Are you talking about Triangle Strategy? That was a great game.

Feeb wrote:

I didn’t love it. So much dialogue.

Fair enough. I thought the different story options/endings were cool, and the gameplay is about as good as I’ve experienced in a tactics game.

Feeb wrote:

Feeb wrote:


Didn't you beat Baldurs Gate 3 and get the platinum? That game has got to have more dialogue.

Kommie wrote:

BG3 is not droning cut scenes at all. And I can rapid fire through that dialogue almost instantly without feeling lost in story or read at my pace or elect not to see it at all. A game that requires 20-30 minutes of exposition before any actual gameplay will lose me every single time. Maybe just dialogue is the wrong term- non playable exposition and dialogue is more what I remember being so hard to stomach with triangle strategy. When I got to the first actual gameplay I was not willing to commit. Pretty boring.

Reading is hard

Reading at that pace is very hard for me. I pass.

Started Ever Crisis ... no English dub.

Also, if this is supposed to recap the entire FF7 universe, does that mean they're getting ahead of the FF7 remake? Hrmm.

Still, kinda cool how they're co-mingling the modern remake graphics with a PS1 era feel (so far).

Curious to see where this goes.

It plays well enough on PC, but clearly a mobile port ... like playing Diablo Immortal on PC, works, but just seems odd.

I get trying to appeal to a modern audience, but realistically, how many younger gamers are into Final Fantasy?

Seems like a poor choice not to build this for console/PC.

Oh well.

MrBean wrote:

They needed that sweet, sweet mobile gaming whale money first.

i mean i even finished 16, though it was non traditional there were some interesting things, but it fell apart down the stretch and at the end. didnt like the standard mode, turned on the auto combo almost immediately, i dont want final devil fantasy may cry. i didnt find dmc or similar games fun even back then. and was unsatisfied with the last few hours. not the target audience anymore and thats the way it goes with things sometimes.

its not about it being turnbased only either, sometimes i just cant make myself play BG3, even though i want to play it more, it feels like work sometimes.

For me personally the biggest thing missing from FF titles recently is a sense of achievement. I do t feel like I’m making much progress and there’s nothing I’m grinding to earn. If it wasn’t for trophies I wouldn’t feel very fulfilled at all with the last few. 12 may have been the pinnacle of scratching that progression itch. Not sure why that was something that needed to go away. Even the 7 remakes have so far had a materia system that felt rewarding.

Anyone else salty that Part II is coming out at the same time (rumored) as Shadow of the Erdtree?

77 days to go!

FINAL FANTASY 7 REBIRTH
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Has 'Totally New Cities' Not in the Original

https://www.ign.com/articles/final-fantasy-7-rebir...

MrBean wrote:

Didn't neg ya, but I'm not sure I love that. I suppose it's fine as long as the cities and story beats we all expect are in there.

It is a little wild that fans have been legit begging for an FF7 REMAKE for years and years, and then Square decided to give them a "remake" that seems pretty hellbent on being an entirely different story at the end of the day haha

@theJaw agreed and thought the same at first... But, they already showed us that they were expanding. The world (hopefully) will be way bigger, and we will need more cities, I think? I dunno, I'm still torn over the whole thing but I'm not upset that they're going further. The original will always be there...

Still, I would have preferred just a straight out updated original.

Get it done with what’s already in there. Adding more… sheesh.

Square: "We need to split Remake into three titles over twenty years because there's just so much content that needs to be redone."

Also Square: "Here's a whole bunch of extra unrelated content nobody wanted or asked for."