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Topic   Full-scale console gaming coming to iPhone 15 Pro

Staraang
Triple Gold Good Trader
12-Sep-2023(#1)
I know a lot of people dog Apple's events but this one reveal definitely caught my eye. There's going to be native support for games like Assassin's Creed Mirage, RE4, RE Village, Death Stranding, and more. This feels like a big deal. All of a sudden we can play console games on a phone? Awesome!

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/assassins...
DarkFact
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18-Sep-2023(#41)
I did that with an ipad pro once, for science. Played through Super Mario Sunshine for the first time. And I didn't even pay $999 for the privilege, AND the screen made the game actually visible. I'm not doing that on an iphone 15 pro, crap's gonna give me bad vision
Master_Z
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19-Sep-2023(#42)
Staraang wrote:
> benstylus wrote:
>> The problem with phone gaming is unless it was designed for touch screen you really
>> need a controller. And some kind of mount to attach the controller to the phone.
>>
>>
>> Unless you're going to set the phone on a table or desk and use the controller
> to
>> play that way. But what else fits on a table or desk and is good for playing
> games?
>> A TV or a monitor!
>>
>> Either way, there goes big portability aspect unless you want to lug your controller
>> around with you too.
>>
>> Maybe it would be useful if you traveled a lot and wanted to play on the plane
> or
>> something. And you didn't bring your switch or steam deck for some reason.
>>
>> Apple makes good products but they are among the last companies I would think
> of
>> when it comes to gaming.
>>
>>
>
> I’m thinking of a Backbone or Kishi to play these games. People lug around a Switch
> and Steam Deck on top of their phone. Now you’d only have to take the controller
> with you. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Apple or an authorized third party released
> an official controller.
>
> The headline here really is that a mobile chip is able to run AAA games natively.
> That’s unprecedented and is potentially a big deal in the years to come.

Or wirelessly over Apple TV from the phone, I think it's some proprietary ad-hoc standard, so probably less latency than over wi-fi. But they could just make an Apple TV with the same chip as the iPhone 15 Pro and sell it for like $200-300 with gaming capabilities. Pair up your Xbox/PS5 controller and boom, you have a console.
MrBean
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26-Sep-2023(#43)
benstylus
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26-Sep-2023(#44)
$60 is probably way cheaper than free-to-play would have been

DarkFact
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27-Sep-2023(#45)
That's what I was begging for, PLEASE can I PLEASE pay PS4 Launch Day Retail prices for the worst possible experience playing this game on the most expensive platform you can play it on? THANK YOU!!! The future is so neat you guys
Staraang
Triple Gold Good Trader
27-Sep-2023(#46)
$60 probably a bit steep for me but I’m guessing the price will come down. RE Village is $30 on Mac so hopefully that will be cheaper. I just got an iPhone last year but I might upgrade to a 16 Pro when that comes out next year. Hopefully there’ll be a bigger selection by then. I think it’s going to be possible to hook up the phone to a TV via the USB-C port and use a BT controller.

Game selection is going to be the most important and challenging thing for Apple. If they can get a Steam kind of service going that would be awesome.
Finn
Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Canada
28-Sep-2023(#47)
Apparently Genshin Impact is making the Iphone 15 run super hot and really taxes the phone. Not sure sure they are going to be able to run AAA games without Apple fundamentally changing the Iphones design. Then it can also be that Apple dropped the ball with the 15. I mean it not taking much to overheat, it cracks super easy and the titanium back scratches really easy. Nit something i would want to game on.

When I hear people gaming on a iphone or Mac... I suppose phones in general I think of those Viva La Dirt League videos when the guy walks in and wants a Mac to game on.. funny stuff.
DarkFact
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* 28-Sep-2023(#48)
15 sucks, everyone got what they deserved, and I doubt they'll remember any of it when the 16's announced. If anything Apple's gonna use this generation to confirm that people will buy whatever swill is put in front of them
Staraang
Triple Gold Good Trader
28-Sep-2023(#49)
I dunno, the phone looks pretty good to me. I think time will tell how widespread the problems are. iPhone gets subjected to exceptional scrutiny compared with other phone and any problem is magnified in the media no matter how isolated. Same thing happens with Tesla even though other car manufacturers hardly make perfect cars. Hopefully the overheating issue will be solved with software updates.

The idea of AAA console gaming on a phone is fairly new so if there are initial issues to iron out I’m not going to sweat it. Hopefully with time it gets more refined. Even so I’ll reserve judgment until we get some reviews in from reputable sources.
EclipseLion
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29-Sep-2023(#50)
Finn wrote:
> Apparently Genshin Impact is making the Iphone 15 run super hot and really taxes
> the phone. Not sure sure they are going to be able to run AAA games without Apple
> fundamentally changing the Iphones design. Then it can also be that Apple dropped
> the ball with the 15. I mean it not taking much to overheat, it cracks super easy
> and the titanium back scratches really easy. Nit something i would want to game on.
>
> When I hear people gaming on a iphone or Mac... I suppose phones in general I think
> of those Viva La Dirt League videos when the guy walks in and wants a Mac to game
> on.. funny stuff.

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-_XcGlBVhU

Skip the preamble to 2:00


MrBean
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29-Sep-2023(#51)
It's the Note 7 all over again...
DarkFact
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* 29-Sep-2023(#52)
EclipseLion wrote:
> Finn wrote:
>> Apparently Genshin Impact is making the Iphone 15 run super hot and really taxes
>> the phone. Not sure sure they are going to be able to run AAA games without Apple
>> fundamentally changing the Iphones design. Then it can also be that Apple dropped
>> the ball with the 15. I mean it not taking much to overheat, it cracks super easy
>> and the titanium back scratches really easy. Nit something i would want to game
> on.
>>
>> When I hear people gaming on a iphone or Mac... I suppose phones in general I
> think
>> of those Viva La Dirt League videos when the guy walks in and wants a Mac to game
>> on.. funny stuff.
>
>
> Skip the preamble to 2:00
>

Oh well good! Build quality aside, maybe next year's phone won't suck so much!

Genshin Impact making 15 thermal throttle is embarrassing. That crap runs good on my 11 without cratering the performance because of bad temps, because it was made to run on a potato
Finn
Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Canada
* 30-Sep-2023(#53)
EclipseLion wrote:
> Finn wrote:
>> Apparently Genshin Impact is making the Iphone 15 run super hot and really taxes
>> the phone. Not sure sure they are going to be able to run AAA games without Apple
>> fundamentally changing the Iphones design. Then it can also be that Apple dropped
>> the ball with the 15. I mean it not taking much to overheat, it cracks super easy
>> and the titanium back scratches really easy. Nit something i would want to game
> on.
>>
>> When I hear people gaming on a iphone or Mac... I suppose phones in general I
> think
>> of those Viva La Dirt League videos when the guy walks in and wants a Mac to game
>> on.. funny stuff.
>
>
> Skip the preamble to 2:00
>
>
>

Rich is one that I watch regularly... there is always lots of preamble lol

But yeah it's crazy that they had to lower quality to increase yield. It sure sounds like anyone wanting to upgrade there iPhone should wait until next year. The other thing is the Pro and the Pro max have high speed USB controllers but the lesser phones are stuck at USB 2 speeds simply because they lack the better controller... this will be fixed next year I would assume. It also seems like the glass on the back of the Pro Max is the only variant of the phone that is extremely brittle. I watched Jerry Rig, and the guy had a pretty fun jab at Apple and USB C lol


ryanflucas
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27-Oct-2023(#54)
Even as an Apple shareholder and semi-fan, I feel like all of this is moot until all games go cloud and we can play almost any cloud experience on any console.

Example: I have Xbox game pass and I load it up on a PS5. Sure being Sony brand, any Sony cloud service will run better but I should be able to play any cloud platform on any device. Or Xbox and PS cloud experience on an iPhone. As long as the hardware can keep up.
lordkaosu
Gold Global Trader (8)
(frozen)
28-Oct-2023(#55)
Isn't that what Stadia basically tried and failed miserably?

DarkFact
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1-Nov-2023(#56)
Streaming services misunderstand what people want. They want access to the games they bought wherever they happen to be, they don't want access to a digital only platform where you can stream what you buy on that platform. Supposedly this crap is all licenses nowadays by their own words, right? Why is this so hard? You have license, you can play game.
benstylus
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1-Nov-2023(#57)
DarkFact wrote:
> Streaming services misunderstand what people want. They want access to the games
> they bought wherever they happen to be, they don't want access to a digital only
> platform where you can stream what you buy on that platform. Supposedly this crap
> is all licenses nowadays by their own words, right? Why is this so hard? You have
> license, you can play game.

The other option is they don't want to buy anything, they want it to be part of the cost of the streaming service. Like Netflix but games. Or gamepass but streaming instead of downloads.

That's honestly the only way I see streaming really taking off.

DarkFact
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* 1-Nov-2023(#58)
Yeah, stuff like GPU with streaming makes sense too. But everyone's insistent stuff like Stadia deserves to be its own platform. Nope! You'd need Vudu-like pricing if you want that to happen, and vudu-like sales. All the time.
benstylus
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1-Nov-2023(#59)
Exactly. If the games cost 1/5 the price, people would buy into the streaming platform. But paying full price PLUS a subscription just to play the game? You are living in a fantasy world.

DarkFact
400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews
* 2-Nov-2023(#60)
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Half the framerate, PS4 resolution, touch controls, starting at $1000. Holy crap, I'm amazed

Reading the comments with a bunch of people amazed that a phone that costs a grand can give you a comparable experience to a PS4 game (with terrible controls) is a real eye-opener for me.
Renaissance2K
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3-Nov-2023(#61)
[vindicated.gif]

lordkaosu
Gold Global Trader (8)
(frozen)
3-Nov-2023(#62)
Nobody is paying a grand to play RE. They just seem positive that the devices are getting to a point to do this now.

I don't mind ports to phones but I'm going the other way playing Vay. One of the original app store games and still works on modern devices complete with SegaCD animated cutscenes.

benstylus
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3-Nov-2023(#63)
lordkaosu wrote:
> Nobody is paying a grand to play RE. They just seem positive that the devices are
> getting to a point to do this now.
>
> I don't mind ports to phones but I'm going the other way playing Vay. One of the
> original app store games and still works on modern devices complete with SegaCD animated
> cutscenes.

Does it have the Sega CD random encounter rate too?

I played through that game but after the first few hours I was so frustrated with how frequent the battles were that I started running away from like 3/4 of them. Was still plenty strong enough to tackle the final boss.


lordkaosu
Gold Global Trader (8)
(frozen)
3-Nov-2023(#64)
By default the game is easier, less encounters, easier enemies, and easier to get money but there is a "hard mode" to put everything back to the original.


Staraang
Triple Gold Good Trader
3-Nov-2023(#65)
That video is pretty impressive. There’s a good review of it in the link below:

https://www.androidauthority.com/resident-evil-vil...

Certainly not perfect but pretty damn good for a phone. I think adding more RAM to their next phone should make a difference. Also the phone getting warm was another complaint. Hope Apple stays committed to improving and increasing these types of gaming experiences.
DarkFact
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* 4-Nov-2023(#66)
Full-scale console gaming coming to iPhone 17 Pro?

We've got mobile gaming at home. I feel like we're trying to solve a stupid problem. The phone is what you use when you're taking a crap; we don't need twelve button games on a touchscreen while we take a crap, we need good one-handed games on a touchscreen while we take a crap. And a self-cleaning screen. And frankly with all the hype-up about how the 15 Pro was gonna be this current gen behemoth, with this as the result, I can't say this is the "Oh my god, you can play Zelda on a tablet" moment everyone was hyping it up to be. At all. Probably because of the Switch. That is, of course, not even to mention the elephant in the room

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Something that plays the games better, at higher frames, without turning your phone into a furnace and dialing the graphics down to diarhhea levels and looking like a 2013 console. I'd wager just about everyone who claims this is what they want, has one of these boxes in their living room and can already do this WAY better. You know who doesn't want Resident Evil Village playing natively on their phone with touch controls? Your typical iPhone 15 Pro owner.

I hate to be the stick in the mud, I just don't fudging get it. And frankly, I'm squinting at the screen trying to get it anyways because it's so gosh darn SMALL.
lordkaosu
Gold Global Trader (8)
(frozen)
4-Nov-2023(#67)
It's just not for you and that's all good. I'm curious to see if it really does well or not overall, the market will decide eventually.

The one thing I like is that it's a one time purchase option vs whatever Konami is butchering these days with their properties.

DarkFact
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* 4-Nov-2023(#68)
I guess that's question two: This is Village, a game everyone's got either at full retail or paid $10 or got for free, right? Who's buying this again for their iPhone other than to point at it and say "Look, it's on my iPhone and it controls worse than ever!" They've got it at a 60% discount "until november 21" at which point it returns to $40 for some reason.

...??????
Staraang
Triple Gold Good Trader
4-Nov-2023(#69)
Screen size is a non-issue imo. Nintendo Switch screen is 6.2 in. iPhone 15 Pro Max is 6.69 and even iPhone 15 Pro is 6.12. If zillions of people are fine playing on a Switch or any of a number of other portable systems then this shouldn’t be a problem.

Touchscreen controls probably aren’t great I’d agree but can be solved with a Backbone. Reduces the portability of course but still better than a Switch. Not to mention you don’t need a dedicated console or strong WiFi/internet like you would for cloud gaming.

Everyone has a phone already as a necessity so nobody is spending a grand just to play games. This is just another value-add for the phone. Lastly this reduces the barrier to entry for people who may want to play more serious games without having to blow $300-500 on a console.

Enhancing mobile gaming to console levels on a phone also has real implications on people who live in cities where living space is limited. Think cities like Tokyo, NYC, New Delhi, etc. If you have tight living quarters and can fulfill your gaming needs without a bulky console, a gaggle of wires, and TV stand you might be interested in gaming via your phone.

Certainly iPhone is not there yet. It’s in very early stages for this type of gaming but it could get there in a few years.
DarkFact
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* 4-Nov-2023(#70)
Staraang wrote:
> Screen size is a non-issue imo. Nintendo Switch screen is 6.2 in. iPhone 15 Pro Max
> is 6.69 and even iPhone 15 Pro is 6.12.

I'm looking at my Switch OLED screen right now. Are you seriously telling me iPhone 15 Pro Max is bigger than that?

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Renaissance2K
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4-Nov-2023(#71)
DarkFact wrote:
> Staraang wrote:
>> Screen size is a non-issue imo. Nintendo Switch screen is 6.2 in. iPhone 15 Pro
> Max
>> is 6.69 and even iPhone 15 Pro is 6.12.
>
> I'm looking at my Switch OLED screen right now. Are you seriously telling me iPhone
> 15 Pro Max is bigger than that?
>
> 359 188{imgt}

The Switch OLED screen is 7".
https://www.nintendo.com/us/switch/oled-model/

Staraang
Triple Gold Good Trader
4-Nov-2023(#72)
I’ve actually never owned either and never held a 15 Pro Max personally to be able to compare tbh. Just going by the dimensions Google gave me. Also Switch OLED is 7 inches so that’s going to be bigger than both the Pro Max and regular Switch.
ryanflucas
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5-Nov-2023(#73)
You don’t need a controller to play a cloud game on a phone, just someone to better implement neurosky tech. Then you can move thru the game with your mind while sitting on the toilet.
MrBean
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5-Nov-2023(#74)
Screen size too small? Simple, don't buy an Apple.
Shane12m
Triple Gold Good Trader
5-Nov-2023(#75)
DarkFact wrote:
> Staraang wrote:
>> Screen size is a non-issue imo. Nintendo Switch screen is 6.2 in. iPhone 15 Pro
> Max
>> is 6.69 and even iPhone 15 Pro is 6.12.
>
> I'm looking at my Switch OLED screen right now. Are you seriously telling me iPhone
> 15 Pro Max is bigger than that?
>
> 359 188{imgt}

He was referring to the normal switch screen
DarkFact
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6-Nov-2023(#76)
ryanflucas wrote:
> You don’t need a controller to play a cloud game on a phone, just someone to better
> implement neurosky tech. Then you can move thru the game with your mind while sitting
> on the toilet.

I'm presuming that'll be iphone 18. I can wait.
benstylus
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6-Nov-2023(#77)
DarkFact wrote:
> ryanflucas wrote:
>> You don’t need a controller to play a cloud game on a phone, just someone to
> better
>> implement neurosky tech. Then you can move thru the game with your mind while
> sitting
>> on the toilet.
>
> I'm presuming that'll be iphone 18. I can wait.

Nah the 18 uses the Hans Niemann beads controller. You'll need to wait for at least the 19 pro for direct mind link.


DarkFact
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6-Nov-2023(#78)
benstylus wrote:
> DarkFact wrote:
>> ryanflucas wrote:
> |>> You don’t need a controller to play a cloud game on a phone, just someone to
>> better
> |>> implement neurosky tech. Then you can move thru the game with your mind while
>> sitting
> |>> on the toilet.
>>
>> I'm presuming that'll be iphone 18. I can wait.
>
> Nah the 18 uses the Hans Niemann beads controller. You'll need to wait for at least
> the 19 pro for direct mind link.
>

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Topic   Full-scale console gaming coming to iPhone 15 Pro