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Get well soon Feebski

Lots of people at work have been getting sick. Like dominos. It's the usual fall flu stuff but I guess our new reality now is fall flu + covid going around.

So I found out that as I'm nearing 40 I have late onset ashtma. Supposedly a side effect of having covid for some. (and it fudging sucks.) Basically feel like I've had a chest infection for 6 weeks and it's just my lungs are inflammed.

Feel better soon Feeb!

sinnie wrote:

Sorry to hear that happened to you. That’s my main concern. Family or friends get long Covid crap. I feel much better but that positive test requires me to stay home for 5 days. Part of me wanted to skip the test and grind on but that was a pretty crapty thought in retrospect- hope I didn’t already pass it around at the office.

My work has no Covid policy, and I'm good with that. If your sick with anything, stay home or stay away. I wash my hands much more frequently thanks to the Covid era among other mindful habits. Done with it.

Feeb wrote:

I feel at this point that is what the majority of people are doing anyway... they just don't care. I have felt the same way. If I get it, I honestly can't afford to take off work. It was in my thought process these past few weeks but I keep testing negative (thankfully) and am not contagious since what I'm doing with isn't an infection just brought on by one (or many, most recently strep.) But yeah if I get it, I will stay home if at all possible -- it'll just really hurt financially.

Glad you aren't feeling too bad!! Just get caught up on shows and gaming! Easier said than done I know... when I am stuck in bed I just can't find anything I want. It's so hard to think covid might have damaged my lungs because when I had it, I had no issues with breathing/cough/loss of taste or smell at all. I just felt tired and had a bit of a headache. Not even a fever. I guess you never know what something is really doing to your body no matter how simple it might be...

Feeb wrote:

You might not be contagious, but those five days are very important for your recovery. Judging from my personal experience and seeing what others have gone through, not giving yourself enough rest time after you're better will just make you feel worse for longer. Back when this started and I caught it before anyone knew wtf was going on, I spent a couple of extra weeks sick because I refused to stop moving. It sucked.

That’s another reason why I tested. Had been feeling really off for five days or so. Like a truck hit me. First few really cool nights usually light up my joints a little but this is extra. Covid has been off my mind for a while.

I've never tested for it and never will. Pretty sure I've had it 5 times but didn't know the symptoms I had were out there. They focused on losing your sense of smell and mine is now intensely sensitive to all smells. Lost weight having it but it wasn't healthy weight loss. I found my sense of taste made me not want anything to eat. I had to start using barbeque sauce regularly just to get myself eating again. I just needed spices to get to eat and still find that I need that now. Found it very funny when i saw the doctor between 2020-2022 and until now that not once did they tell me these were symptoms of Covid. I've had a very complicated medical history (mostly because of doctors and surgeons technically just guess when they perforn surgery and never admit mistakes) so I'm skeptical of all doctors. No vaccine here but had I chosen the J&J Vaccine that could of killed me because of my pathetic heart health. Still my doctors have never had them once ask me for a vaccine or if I've had them. Only Wal-Mart does that and the techs there kinda tell you to run the other way but are told to ask anyway.

Don't trust them and ask questions and if you don't get a real answer DO NOT LET THEM INJECT YOU or PERFORM ANY SURGERY. I speak from very bad experiences (also do not have a political party preference) but I do not want others to go through what I've been through with the medical community. Mask up if it makes you feel more comfortable but use your brain and think before you do something you can't take back. Stay safe everyone as I wish this MADNESS would end.

I figured I got this at Disney but it looks like I got it at work after. 3-4 people were under the weather and had tested positive 2 days before I got sick. This one looks like wildfire.

I feel like it's everywhere again. We just started fall break for school so will probably have an outbreak when school resumes. I feel like work wise I know 2-3 people on quarantine at the moment. Lots of people with coughs complaining about the weather change, then 2 days later they're absent.

Not doing it again. Just had a good friend who took the jab at the early onset of this due to being in school administration...in excellent health and started having heart problems and just passed away last August.

I'm hoping you both feel better and this isn't an attempt at getting anyone mad...but after the last 3 years feeling we were living in the Stanford Prison experiment: this kind of talk makes me feel like people are trying to mentally gear up to get back to treating people like garbage. I'm just politely adding: Not interested in playing, thank you.

Again, hope you both are well.

To be fair, there’s nothing in this thread suggesting people were “gearing up to get back treating people like garbage.” You placed that context there entirely on your own. It isn’t very polite to project ill intentions onto people solely because you don’t want to see a conversation. If you’re not “interested in playing,” nobody was forcing you to read or post in the thread.

Not sure where you live but we don’t get treated like garbage here. It’s pretty much been do your thing responsibly. Noone has ever made me get a vaccine, asked if I had it etc. I am highly educated in vaccines and I’d say if anyone is pushing this as mandatory they don’t understand how it works or what it is. I also know that vaccines have risks but if you’re looking for something to blame for deaths choose the McDonald’s and Starbucks every time.

My apologies....it was VERY bad around here (central Ohio).

I am not anti vax, but there wasn't a month that went by from late 2020 to late 2021 that if you decided you DIDN'T want the vaccine: you were completely treated like you were horrible, uneducated, a murderer, etc. I believe it should be your choice ALWAYS to inject something into your body. I'm still very sensitive about it because it feels like there is some renewed fervor to get back to demonizing people for their own choices. Jaw & Feeb: you are completely right that wasn't even an inkling here and I sincerely apologize.

I’d agree people should be able to choose. I’d also say politics needs to stay out of science and health care altogether. It makes no sense that just because someone wins a popularity contest they are qualified to make these decisions.

Feeb wrote:

Agreed. Sort of like in olden times when doctors recommended washing hands before treating patients to prevent germs and they were called out as being ridiculous because clearly you were dealing with evil spirits and curses instead.... There will always be disagreements but the science is pretty solid.

I guess I tend to be "bothered" by -- or maybe "frustrated" by is better -- the people who go "I'm not anti-vax", but then call it "the jab" and give an anecdote about how someone got "the jab" and then died of a heart issue soon after...

In general, that's what the "anti-vax" people talk about.

I mean, I can easily list off situations where someone ate a ham sandwich and then died of a heart attack a little while later. But I don't call ham sandwiches "the death meal" or anything. And I can list off several people who I know who didn't get "the jab" and were hospitalized with Covid -- and even two who died. Had they not avoided "the jab" because of anecdotal stories about a person here or there who happened to pass away after they were vaccinated -- they might be alive today.

If someone says "I'm not anti-vax, but decided to not get vaccinated myself. But to each their own." and leaves it at that, then fine. But that isn't usually what happens. Instead it is more like "I'm not anti-vax, but a healthy friend of mine once got THE JAB and now he's dead, so..."

So, yeah, it is a bit frustrating to me to hear from people who want to talk about "choice" but instead seem pretty clearly "against."

This virus is and will likely be similar to seasonal flu. If the predominant strain is a high morbidity low mortality situation and a vaccine only provides non sterile immunity (you will get sick only not as severe) - then the vaccine should only be recommended to at risk populations. If the situation is a novel virus with high morbidity and mortality as in the initial Covid pandemic- everyone reachable should receive a vaccine.

This decision should be made with / on the advice of your doctor. Your doctor will tell you to limit or eliminate ham sandwiches.

A Ham Sandwich has been tested for centuries. Pretty good chance going into a Ham Sandwich that it’s not going to cause or exacerbate myocarditis or similar.

And medicine has been practiced for centuries. Pretty good chance taking the majority of medical professionals who studied their entire lives’ suggestion to get vaccinated in the face of a life-threatening illness over somebody’s uncle on Facebook.

I posted something and just deleted it so if it was seen: that's what happened.

I don't care to fight...enjoy all your jabbery and following the science. Just give me the autonomy to make my own medical decisions and I'll do the same.

How would I determine who is lying to me and their motivations for doing so?

I know of other mainstream health related issues / decisions that people make for others. How do we decide when to be hypocrites?

John wrote:

I gotta start now. Can't wait to order a hot ham and cheese at Hardee's and ask the cashier for the death meal.

I don’t think they changed the definition of death meal yet; it may confuse the employee.

Honestly if they give me any meal after ordering that I might be too scared to eat it

Feeb wrote:

At this point, yes, I agree -- and that appears to be the case right now as far as what they are doing.

rayzor6 wrote:

As I said, I have no problem with people who just say that. That just wasn't what was said.

Almost invariably the people who don’t want the shot also don’t want to be responsible and do what is needed to prevent illnesses in society. You can be an adult and make the decision- there are pros and cons of each decision. You don’t get to act like a child and reject all of the rules because you don’t like them. We all have to make sacrifices to live in a community of other people with different beliefs. I have to risk my life going to Waffle House on Sunday morning because every police officer is directing traffic in front of a church which doesn’t pay taxes and therefore cannot protect me from my fellow citizens. I made this decision as an adult. I guess I need more guns on my belt at the Waffle House.

Haha Feeb…ok

The availability heuristic, also known as availability bias, is a mental shortcut that relies on immediate examples that come to a given person's mind when evaluating a specific topic, concept, method, or decision.

You are far more likely to die on the way to buying a lottery ticket than you are to win it. We think in stories and not realities.

Great advice

I got a COVID and flu vaccine today at Walmart.

The COVID shot was called Spikevax by Moderna.

Hope you’re ready to receive radio signals directly to your brain.

Personally I love getting quality radio signals directly to my brain.

I'm probably never getting another vaccine, but only because I'll never be able to get another appointment. -.-

I never lose my keys anymore.

I got the latest Pfizer vaccine booster today plus the seasonal flu vaccine. You can’t walk into a medical facility here without being asked 3-5 times by support staff if you’ve had the shots before you even get to see the doctor. Even my dentist asked. As they should.

I was on the fence for a long time about getting the vaccine. But my rare autoimmune condition was holding me back.

After living for a long time in fear, I skipped a great wedding and went to 7/11 with my KN95 as always.

I walked to 7/11. I touched the door handle and lit up a cigarette. Was in the store for about 60 seconds with my mask on. Didn't really go anywhere well before hand.

Came down with mild COVID. I survived. The fear of being anxious about going to a wedding was a blessing in disguise. I'm glad I got it to get over my fear. Was exposed a few months later on Christmas Eve and didn't get it again.

Then my mom got the first booster. Felt weird immediately after. About 12 hours later, she was in the shower and was about to black out. I helped her get out and put her on the bed. Was about to call emergency but gave here a bunch of water and she started to feel better.

She's 70 years old and said she's never gotten this reaction from a vaccine on her life. And now she's done with it.

Regardless of modern science, the fact that the vaccine was made in 7-8 months means it was clearly rushed. In my opinion they wanted to get the economy back in track quicky to get people outside the house spending money.
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Mind you, I'm not anti all vaccines, I just think that this specific vaccine was incredibly rushed. And the misleading information that came with it. I saw people in summer of 2021 under the premise that they couldn't spread it. But that was a lie.

My aunt's doctor who works for a top heart hospital here in NY metro pretty much recently told my aunt to not get the vaccine.

And just look at the rise of heart attacks and cardiac arrest cases more recently. High performing healthy and young athletes like that dude on the bills and LeBron Jane's son. Both. Collapsed on the field and court.

Case in point, I'm not here to tell people what to do with their bodies. But as long as you respect my choice, I'll most definitely respect yours.

Again: we’re doomed.

metsfan718 wrote:

Can you point me to ANY mainstream news outlet or official source that said the vaccine prevents you from spreading the disease?

I recall hearing you are less likely (because with the vaccine you are less likely to have it/have a strong case of it so there would be less of the virus reproducing in your body) but never that you couldn't spread it.

I recall people being babies over mask mandates and ignoring them or angrily defying them and then businesses just stopped trying to enforce them for the safety of their employees. Then when news comes out saying the mask mandates didn't do much, they all cheered and said "SEE? MASKS DO NOTHING" but they forgot to add "because we did our best to completely sabotage any chance they had."

metsfan718 wrote:


Respectfully, this is really misleading. The underlying science behind the vaccine has been in the works for decades: https://covid19.nih.gov/nih-strategic-response-cov....

I had one glaring example of Rachel Maddow's monologue about how Covid will stop transmitting.

It is nowhere to be found on YouTube.

I had to venture over to rumble to find it. I'm not a big fan of that platform but it seems to be the only one that you can at least find stuff like this after the fact

https://rumble.com/vrkgip-flashback-rachel-maddow-...

The fact that this was well used during the pandemic and is now very difficult to find should not make anyone feel good about getting information without pure agenda getting in the way.

This is why you ask your doctor and stop acting as if you’re just making the lesser of two bad choices by listening to political talking heads. This is the problem. Almost everything you hear or read with a political bias is misinformation. We need to teach better critical reasoning skills- starting with who you should trust with your issues- it’s professionals and not Rachel Maddow or others with a political motivation.

The vaccine technology has been in development for decades. We’ve been working with coronaviruses in domestic animals stringently trying to discover an effective vaccine. The vaccine only ever conferred non sterile immunity. This means you can get sick and you may spread disease when you do. If you ever thought otherwise then you chose to be misinformed. I say you chose because the actual facts are out there to find- from the people you should be asking. You aren’t a victim.

rayzor6 wrote:

Thanks. Never watched msnbc so I missed this.


Or maybe it's the result of trying to clamp down on disinformation? Once something turns out to be wrong you don't want to keep propagating it unless the agenda is to promote wrong information...

Feeb wrote:

Except when your doctor is clearly wrong because famous people told me different and they wouldn't lie.

(Or when your doctor actually is wrong, which can happen too.)

The very small portion of actual professionals who are anti vaccine are cherry picked and promoted for their brave anti establishment “opinion.” A vocal minority- very small group. You can find this in every single field where there is monetary or political motivation to divide. There are unethical people- usually to get this opinion from a doctor you have to actively seek it out - confirmation bias. You will find it. This is again on you for your inability to critically think and willingness to be misinformed

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benstylus wrote:

That is one way to look at it. I look at it as not helping the agenda anymore and can only be used on the other side: so get rid of it.

Feeb, you act like once you put on a lab coat or a stethoscope : you are exempt from the need to carry on with agendas or the temptation to say the right things to get your work recognized. Science had PLENTY of opportunity here to demonstrate that it is, by and large, immune to such temptations. It did not bring that to the forefront.

When the nonsense about masks (especially cloth masks) was being put out there, there was NO unified voice that said "Uh...actually...that isn't going to do a lot". The science and medicine communities were either silent, censored or compliant.

When the Maddow show came out and said that above...which was a reflection of what was being said in many places...there wasn't a unified front of doctors and scientists saying otherwise. At the same time that the CDC *KNEW* this wasn't the case and it's documented they did now

There was a desperate need for information to be had there for the public. But unless you went along with the govt narrative: you were censored and labeled as 'misinformation'. The science and medicine community along with the CDC could really have done the right thing here by even saying things like "we don't know" or giving details as they unfolded.

But they didn't. They didn't because they got swept up in the very human desire to get the carrot or avoid the stick. And we had to find out AFTER the fact about how much BS was spun in this whole thing...ironically while being told for 2 years to 'follow the science' yet ignoring every basic scientific general principal along the way. It wasn't the pursuit of truth...it was an agenda that wasn't based in science at all and instead of becoming informed...the part of the public that questioned these inconsistencies were labeled and treated like evil people for not just going along with something that didn't make sense or was contradictory in nature.

Statistics such as 'covid deaths' being misrepresented or at best: not expounded upon until after the fact by the CDC. There is a big difference between "X% of people had these types of morbidities and got covid and died" and "these people died of covid itself". But to lump them all as covid deaths with no explanation can definitely be look at as an instrument to instill fear rather than to inform. I don't consider that 'science'.

These things resulted in one certainty: that the science and medicine community lost a LOT of trust by all these measures. I don't know if the coronavirus vaccine information you are generally citing is accurate or not. All I can tell you is that myself and many others have no faith in what they proclaim. That community can't stay silent and/or condone flat out untrue things...then say something that is true and have people believe them.

Then there is the whole thing about myocarditis, stroke, heart attacks and this basic principle I mentioned above gets repeated again. The mere idea of questioning whether those matters are a direct result of the vaccine is considered completely unfounded. Again...not a real scientific way to approach a hypothesis. I understand this bias. If you took the vaccine, you don't want to think about the notion that you have to deal with this, so deny, deny, deny for your own sanity's sake. And my heart goes out to anyone who has this concern and I would LOVE for it to be completely false and NO ONE has any negative repercussions from it. But when society doesn't even want to spin the wheels on that idea and disprove it...to me, that is a good indicator that they don't want to find out the answer (possibly because they know what it is).

The scientific community isn't ignoring the potential link between COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis. See, for example: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-con.... It's just that cases of myocarditis and pericarditis following receipt of the vaccine are relatively rare, and there is a higher risk of myocarditis associated with having a severe case of COVID-19 than myocarditis associated with the vaccine.

rayzor6 wrote:

rayzor6 wrote:

Aside from the fact I clearly stated that professionals can be unethical- most of the small sample size deniers like to cite mostly- You’re ignoring the fact that science did not say any of the drivel you’re espousing. Maddow does not equal science. Most “scientists” are completely oblivious to the whims of the media and politicians. Until they get bought. If you have any understanding of how science works at all- then you realize this is how science works. Collecting information takes years after a pandemic. Everything you’re copy / pasting here you are repeating from some politically motivated source. If you need to be right that’s fine, your mind is set on that. Just know that you are not above falling victim to misinformation. Your citing sources from published information does not make you an expert. If I could give you a stethoscope and a white lab coat and negate the Dunning–Kruger internet degree- I would.

If wearing a mask has hurt folks this much- it says more about their maturity and patience then it does about science.

I cannot fathom this idea of demonizing media whilst completely buying it hook line and sinker at the same time. I guess you get to pick what you deem media these days?

@bill feel free to close this one down. I sincerely did not mean to create a forum for another political conversation.