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2-Oct-2019(#1)Other thread was closed...so here we are.
Anyone else excited for AEW Dynamite tonight?
lazarro
20-Apr(#2)Every year wwe releases talent
It’s acceptable if they aren’t being used at all.
Jinder mahal was a waste resigning he was hardly used
As was veer’s talent being wasted
theJaw
* 20-Apr(#3)Jinder was on WWE’s roster solely because Vince thought the only way to market pro wrestling to India was via an Indian. That (sorta racist) experiment was a failure, and current management no longer has a reason to keep him. It stinks but it’s classic WWE.
theJaw
20-Apr(#5)Lmao yah I’m with you… Khali didn’t have one more match in him on the day he debuted.
theJaw
20-Apr(#6)Also yah, those new tag belts are fantastic. Finally figured out they don’t need the logo to be 3/4 the belt to get the marketing point across.
lazarro
21-Apr(#8)Matt hardy in tna now
theJaw
22-Apr(#9)AEW Dynasty was a phenomenal show last night with a wildly loud crowd and at least 5 top tier matches. Ospreay/Danielson, Swerve/Joe, FTR/Bucks, O’Reilly/Strong & Okada/PAC all ruled so hard.
Jericho/Hook was the main dud… way too fudgein long.
The release of the dreaded footage has proven to be a net positive if for no other reason than presenting Jack Perry the opportunity to be a bigger star for AEW. The man is over, had a fun return last night and received a huge pop. AEW now needs to capitalize on the momentum, but so far so good.
Happy for Swerve becoming the first African American AEW champ and was in awe of Danielson/Ospreay. Great stuff.
lazarro
22-Apr(#10)Von Wagner released by wwe
theJaw
23-Apr(#13)He had some bangers in PWG too.
shadyfozzie
24-Apr(#14)King of the Ring early predictions:
Men's: Gunther. He's just the man and I think my favorite guy right now.
Women's: Chelsea Green.. Now hear me out.. How awesome would she be as a queen?? She is already a Diva, but imagine if she became a queen?? She'd be off the rails (in a very good way). If her and Piper are still a team, she could be her 'bodyguard' and 'wrestle' on her behalf.. I think this has potential to be a great story line, where it culminates in her somehow 'winning' a championship match.
lazarro
24-Apr(#15)I could see Gunther being worked as king of the ring champion
As for the woman’s it would be more of a toss up
With draft on Fri and following Mon gonna be interesting if a few feuds continue while other started
Most likely bloodline will stay intact at the least after the draft. As far as I’m saying for now.
theJaw
24-Apr(#18)PizzaTheHutt wrote:> Tony Khan sells a gut punch about as well as Vince and Linda sell a Stone Cold Stunner.
> So awful.
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Sells an Indietaker about as well as anyone though.
That closing angle ruled. I know I’ll be negged, but hell yah to AEW for leaning as far into this bullcrap as possible. It’s interesting. It’s fun. Capitalize on the controversy.
theJaw
* 24-Apr(#19)Also why the HECK can nobody else comment on the objectively good segments that AEW produces? A wildly good PPV goes completely ignored but one bad sell warrants criticism.
I beg you, my wrestling peers… enjoy wrestling haha
(Still love yas obv)
theJaw
24-Apr(#20)Another also, gosh darn when Kenny Omega, Hangman Page & Kota Ibushi return -- the feud vs the New Elite is going to be fudging awesome. Cannot wait. Hope Kenny's surgery goes well.
lazarro
25-Apr(#23)Twist to wwe draft
Brand champions are protected but the women’s tag champions are not.
Each brand to pick first on their respective show
theJaw
25-Apr(#25)Y2k wrote:> Dynasty was good. I feel for everyone who had to follow Ospreay/Danielson, though.
> I expected a bit more from Joe and Swerve. I recall Tony mentioning huge surprises
> for the card....so, I guess we got Adam Cole standing on his hind legs and Jungleboy
> ruining the tag match....good stuff, but a letdown since I think a lot of people
> wanted MJF to saunter down there sometime and be a scumbag.
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MJF can breathe a little imo. Let the boy rest haha. When he comes back to THIS AEW landscape, it's going to be gold I tell ya.
Also yah, I felt bad for anyone who had to follow... several matches on Dynasty haha. First PAC/Okada blew it out of the water and I couldn't see it getting much better than that. Then Kyle and Roddy put on a masterclass. The show just kept ramping up until Ospreay/Danielson, which was out of this world -- but even still, the two matches that followed exceeded the expectation that they wouldn't be able to contend with that Ospreay/Danielson match. Honestly one of AEW's best outings on PPV -- which is saying something.
theJaw
25-Apr(#26)PizzaTheHutt wrote:> I didn't watch the recent PPV (partially because busy and partially just lack of
> interest) and only caught the last 20 minutes of Dynamite, but you have to be able
> to laugh at the bad stuff in pro wrestling, there's just so much of it, AEW isn't
> exempt. Maffew and sites like WrestleCrap made it easier to accept a long time ago.
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Oh I laugh at the bad stuff wholeheartedly and I understand where you're coming from (WrestleCrap is a nightly before-bed read for me), there was just a wonderful segment wrapped around that silly gut punch that I feel also deserves to be talked about ya know?
AEW isn't exempt from terrible crap... Hook/Jericho from Dynasty is blatant proof haha
theJaw
* 25-Apr(#28)If you didn't find Okada/PAC "special," I dunno what to tell ya brother.
The rankings still exist. As is the case with any W/L/D record in pro wrestling, it's extremely loose. I don't know how that adds to or detracts from the product... I don't care one way or the other, personally.
None of us can say MJF's "been off long enough." He's legitimately injured lmao.
WWE does need to stick to a brand split with the draft if they're going to continue pretending the draft matters, I agree. But again, couldn't pay me to actually care.
Regardless... it's all just pro wrestling my man. It's there SOLELY to have fun with, for us audience members. Folks need to stop getting their blood pressure up over this stuff.
Also LOL at Tony Khan selling the angle from the end of Dynamite at the NFL draft, wearing a very obviously not-needed neck brace. Gotta love the kayfabe.
Y2k
26-Apr(#30)A lot of reliable outlets are reporting that AEW is paying people to fill seats at recent shows. Not sure why they're doing that when they have 200 people standing around in the back already being paid.
So, anyway, I just finished watching Dynamite. A lot of stuff to say about this one. On the bright side, they are clearly attempting to build actual storylines into their show. It's a good step and the stories are decent. I'm not a huge Perry fan but at least he can talk. I like the direction the EVP thing seems to be going. I thought Tony was dead after being touched with the microphone in the gut. Great work that would put Laurence Olivier to shame. At least he can borrow Cole's wheelchair for a few months while he recovers. Watching the Willow segment gave me flashbacks to the old high school plays when a few kids didn't show up so other people had to sub in that didn't know the lines.
The crowd in Jacksonville for this was absolutely embarrassing. I can't believe there were more than 1200 there after seeing the brief pans around the bingo hall. The claim was 2100ish tickets were put out. I've seen bigger crowds lined up for the free pancake breakfast in the town down the road. All I can say is it's a good thing their pay isn't based on ticket sales or they'd all have been eating at the soup kitchen and sleeping on the sidewalk that night. I can't imagine what the ex-WWE people feel when they walk out to that.
Back to the previous on MJF. Ok, he had a buggered up shoulder. He can still talk and be a presence. He used to brag about not performing. It's one day a week. MJF returning.....if he returns would have to be a huge boost in people actually paying to watch.
More bright spots.....despite the tiny little crowd, AEW put out most of their big names, including the champ. Disappointing match with Fletcher. I thought he was great in his bout with Ospreay - that's on his own. This one with Swerve just didn't look right. I guess less chemistry and familiarity. It felt extremely rehearsed compared to others I've seen them both in. Swerve was incredible during his feud with Hangman and during that tournament....and I think Hangman sucks. I feel that's the collection of matches that 'made' Swerve as popular as he is now. He needs to get that fire back or he won't be in his spot for long. It was sad seeing how Joe was acting during the title match at Dynasty. For most of it, he looked like he just wanted to go home.
Great to see Deeb finally get to do something besides deal with random jobbers sometimes. This is the one that should be wearing the belt. Toni's time is passed and her schtick isn't appealing anymore. She can move on with her nonsense with Mariah and the other one. I'm very ok with Willow sitting in the back emptying the catering cart.
Despite the growing pains of this show, they're still new at it and making great progress. Rome wasn't built in a day and they're still leagues ahead of where WWE was back in the 80's after much more time. They don't have the same backstage resources as WWE so it's not fair to compare them that way. They're better than NWA/WCW in the 90's after the NWO thing got stale.
So, no, I'm not picking on them. I'm simply pointing out what I see that I like and what needs work. Does it make a difference? No. I still enjoy the overall product....but I'm not going to pretend it's all gold when there's some absolute crap in there and if it looks like top guys are calling it in, it's easy to notice when you're used to them doing much better. I do the same to WWE. I'd like to do that to TNA, but I don't see much reason to tune into that anymore. It would be cool to have 3 solid companies that provide real opportunities. TNA feels like the place people go that can't get a job anywhere else. It didn't used to...a place for guys like the Hardys that have run their course but don't want to stop. Jericho can go there anytime.
theJaw
* 26-Apr(#31)There are zero “reliable” outlets reporting on AEW needing seat fillers. Ringside News and the like are anti-AEW and have always been anti-AEW - they’re run by probably the least reputable and professional people in the scene.
It’s easy to look up the ticket sales and see that there would be no reason to pay people to sit in seats that are never on camera. Never suggested you were picking on them, feel free, just sharing my opinion in response to yours ya know?
Obviously subjective, but imo Swerve has had nothing but good matches for the past year. His worst was vs Dustin Rhodes and even that was fine. The match vs Joe was awesome, and Joe was wrestling the same way he always does. Not sure what “fire” Swerve’s missing for you but ah well. Wrestles better than 90% of people wrestling haha
MJF is injured. Like literally any injured wrestler, they took him off the road. Plus it’s always good for a popular wrestler to take a break and come back down the line. Distance makes the heart grow fonder.
theJaw
26-Apr(#34)Yah he definitely could have done better but sports hosts will always scoff at pro wrestling. Damn shame I’m tellin ya.
theJaw
* 27-Apr(#36)I saw a graphic of the off-air Draft picks thinking they were the primary picks and got heated lmao. Thank god... not that the main picks were all that interesting. Annoyed I'm going to have to watch Bron Breakker as Raw is the show I usually catch weekly. That guy's the drizzlies.
theJaw
3-May(#40)Glad the crowd’s into it, but 100% fudge that particular Twitter user.
Also, Dunne and Bate deserve better.
lazarro
4-May(#42)Bunch of nxt releases
theJaw
4-May(#46)No move against Steveson is a dick move considering that dude's past. Eff him.
I liked Jade's power moves in that match but boy, did it fall apart midway through. Was actually pretty awesome for the first half, but then I think the ref missed a tag or something and everything turned to crap. They spent 4 minutes getting to that "double armbar into powerbomb" spot and it was rough. Finishing sequence was pretty cool. Title change was to be expected.
Cody and AJ do not have great chemistry, that match is going to be very overrated despite being super sloppy in spots.
Overall, Backlash was a "the foreign audience will be appreciative regardless of what we put on" type card. It was fine, but not incredible other than the crowd atmosphere.
theJaw
4-May(#47)PizzaTheHutt wrote:> Michael Cole forgot to fact check his lines during the main event. Cody was in the
> Bullet Club, but he was never leader of it.
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Feels like common WWE revisionist history. Although there was the Bullet Club civil war, where Cody claimed to be leader vs Kenny, who was the real leader at the time. But Cody even admitted in a promo in ROH after that storyline that he was never the leader. Silly Cole.
shadyfozzie
4-May(#48)Did they botch the woman's tag ending? Who was legal? It was pretty confusing.
theJaw
4-May(#49)shadyfozzie wrote:> Did they botch the woman's tag ending? Who was legal? It was pretty confusing.
Yah that match was going pretty great for a while then they completely fudgeed it. I think the ref missed a tag or something. Became a mess.
shadyfozzie
4-May(#50)theJaw wrote:> shadyfozzie wrote:
>> Did they botch the woman's tag ending? Who was legal? It was pretty confusing.
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> Yah that match was going pretty great for a while then they completely fudgeed it.
> I think the ref missed a tag or something. Became a mess.
I wonder if they will use that as a way to get the belts back to Kabuki Warriors...
theJaw
* 6-May(#53)Raw’s card is actually stacked for once with all the KOTR matches. If the matches get good time, it could be a great show.
image PizzaTheHutt
16-May(#59)beavis wrote:> Like any live sports it lost a little from TV, namely during the promos. Where our seats
> were it made it hard to understand what was being said due to the acoustics.
This happened when I saw SmackDown back in February. If you listened carefully enough you could understand most of what was being said in the in-ring promos, but I recall one specific backstage segment with R-Truth and Dirty Dom that aired on the TitanTron and was nearly impossible to hear in the arena. It made me think maybe those people that chant "What?" aren't just trying to troll but they really can't hear what's being said.