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benstylus

13-Jan(#1)

What is a game you liked, but were disappointed to find it didn't have sequels, or the sequels went in a different directions, etc.?

Basically a game that you would like to see more of, but there just isn't more?

Post your game and people can respond with recommendations of similar games (similar gameplay, similar ideas, similar vibe, etc.)

For an example, let's talk about Gyromite for NES. Obviously the "right" way to play was using Rob, but I think most of us just played with a second player or fumbling with two controllers.

So what is the essence of Gyromite? Distilled down you can look at a few things.

In the main game mode, the object of each level is to navigate the levels and collect all the bombs before time runs out. So, functionally similar to maze games like Pac-Man

However, there are also pathways you can take that will get you stuck, so there's a puzzle element there as well. So maybe actually closer to something like Lode Runner. That seems like a decent match...

...At least if it weren't for the moving steel pylons in Gyromite that change things up significantly. Those are helpful to raise/lower to get around the stage, but also can be dangerous since you can be squished by them as well, giving a bit of Elevator Action vibes (though that game is very different)

Let's leave that train of thought for now and go to the other main mechanism - One person plays the main role while the second player manipulates the environment.

Certainly there are a number of co-op games where each person in turn has to assist the other player in making progress. Games like The Adventures of Cookie & Cream come to mind. Probably a better match would be the Murfy levels from Rayman Legends on the touchscreen systems where one player as Murfy manipulates platforms, enemies, and other obstacles.on the touch screen while the other player(s) try to navigate through it.

Actually I think that is pretty close to a match to the "collect all the things" mechanism too, if you are trying to find all the lums and Teensies.

So there's an answer. Rayman Legends (Murfy levels) = Gyromite 2.

Now you can pick a game (or even a specific part od a game) that you enjoyed, and others can make suggestions based on that game.

Bleed_DukeBlue

13-Jan(#2)

Secret of Evermore

Renaissance2K

13-Jan(#3)

I remember being really disappointed when Mirror's Edge ended. It did eventually get a reboot eight years later that diverged a lot from the original formula, but the semi-melancholic ending of the first game with "Still Alive" (the Lisa Miskovsky track, not the GLaDOS one) playing behind the credits made me want to stay in the world and continue to help. It wasn't the only parkour game around - hell, even the Ninja Turtles had one at that point - but it had a very distinct vibe that was hard to replicate.

Heavyd814life

13-Jan(#4)

Renaissance2K wrote:

> I remember being really disappointed when Mirror's Edge ended. It did eventually

> get a reboot eight years later that diverged a lot from the original formula, but

> the semi-melancholic ending of the first game with "Still Alive" (the Lisa Miskovsky

> track, not the GLaDOS one) playing behind the credits made me want to stay in the

> world and continue to help. It wasn't the only parkour game around - hell, even the

> Ninja Turtles had one at that point - but it had a very distinct vibe that was hard

> to replicate.

This 1000%. Nothing else like it!

SupremeSarna

13-Jan(#5)

Wild Guns. It got a fantastic remake for modern platforms, but beyond that, it's a dead "series." It's a shooting gallery-styled game where your character has to dodge fire while dishing it out, which isn't too common of a genre. The graphics are sublime in both versions (better in the remake, obviously), and it's set in a futuristic Wild West. What's not to love?

benstylus

13-Jan(#6)

@Bleed_DukeBlue
Haven't played Secret of Evermore so you'd need to tell me more about it for me to make a recommendation.

@Renaissance2K
For Mirror's Edge, have you looked at Neon White? It's not identical but is a similarly fast paced first person action platforming game. It definitely has its own vibe.

@SupremeSarna
For Wild Guns, I recommend trying out Alligator Hunt if you get a chance. Its an arcade game but is on the Evercade too. It's similar gameplay with a fun setting that isn't just traditional military dudes like in Cabal. Other options would be Charge N Blast on Dreamcast, or either Sin & Punishment game (if yoy want to add vertical movement to the equation).

SupremeSarna

13-Jan(#7)

benstylus wrote:

> @Bleed_DukeBlue

> Haven't played Secret of Evermore so you'd need to tell me more about it for me to

> make a recommendation.

> @Renaissance2K

> For Mirror's Edge, have you looked at Neon White? It's not identical but is a similarly

> fast paced first person action platforming game. It definitely has its own vibe.

> @SupremeSarna

> For Wild Guns, I recommend trying out Alligator Hunt if you get a chance. Its an

> arcade game but is on the Evercade too. It's similar gameplay with a fun setting

> that isn't just traditional military dudes like in Cabal. Other options would be

> Charge N Blast on Dreamcast, or either Sin & Punishment game (if yoy want to add

> vertical movement to the equation).

I've played Sin & Punishment. I had a lot of fun with it using a Switch Pro Controller, less fun using a Wii Classic. I wouldn't put it on the same level as Wild Guns, but it's decent enough.

Bleed_DukeBlue

13-Jan(#8)

No worries! (If you haven't played it, it's a blast. I'd highly recommend it. I just replayed it not too long ago, and it still holds up for me.) Secret of Evermore is an SNES Square ARPG in which your weapons get stronger the more you use them. You control a boy and a shapeshifting dog and go through realms representing different parts of history (pre-historic, classical antiquity, the middle ages, and a futuristic world). You can mix different elements (like wax, oil, etc.) that you find along your journey to make spells and the more you use the spells, the stronger they get. You can also get a bazooka. The game borrows some elements from Secret of Mana but is still its own unique thing. It was the only game ever developed in North America by Square designers.

benstylus wrote:

> @Bleed_DukeBlue

> Haven't played Secret of Evermore so you'd need to tell me more about it for me to

> make a recommendation.

> @Renaissance2K

> For Mirror's Edge, have you looked at Neon White? It's not identical but is a similarly

> fast paced first person action platforming game. It definitely has its own vibe.

> @SupremeSarna

> For Wild Guns, I recommend trying out Alligator Hunt if you get a chance. Its an

> arcade game but is on the Evercade too. It's similar gameplay with a fun setting

> that isn't just traditional military dudes like in Cabal. Other options would be

> Charge N Blast on Dreamcast, or either Sin & Punishment game (if yoy want to add

> vertical movement to the equation).

BloodPuppetX

13-Jan(#9)

I played Secret of Evermore in 1996. It's interesting to watch videos of old games you've played and realize how little you remember. I do recall the beginning, the desert area and the dark forest. Couldn't remember fighting any of the bosses. Meanwhile, I played FF6 around the same time and can remember everything. Granted, I've played that one several times, but most of my memories are from that first time playing it.

dunno001

14-Jan(#10)

I loved Evermore as a kid, and yeah, while core mechanics are like Mana, there really isn’t much like it. I even had a list of everywhere you could buy spell materials, and would do sweeps among the cheapest places to buy them.

To those who've not played it, I will caution that it is possible to bypass a boss fight in the 3rd area, and if you go backwards after it, you will get stuck in crates.

ManiacMadman

14-Jan(#11)

Alundra, Suikoden and Robotrek. There was an Alundra 2 for PSX but being done by a different company it had completely lost its feel and totally different gameplay especially the look. As much as I love the Suikoden series part 2 veered off in a completely different way. I just loved it for being a traditional RPG with a hint of a tactics like mode. I just wish I had invested in all the $5 clearance for Suikoden for about two years and they just kept getting more of them. Toys R Us, KB Toys, and Circuit City just kept getting more of them. I originally paid $40 plus tax for it and had no idea that I would miss that game. It was a short game but well worth it.

I loved Robotrek for SNES but would have loved for them to come out with a part 2. Tecmo Secret of the Stars as well for SNES should have had a sequel. 2 fantastic games for SNES that are a must play for RPG fans and I love the part in Robotrek that made it feel like Pokemon before Pokemon.

ManiacMadman

14-Jan(#12)

Lufia and Lunar needed a third installment as well. Lunar part one and two are great but they left me wanting more and the PSX ones were so much better than the Sega CD ones. Lufia had 2 games but needed a third for SNES. Yes there was the GBA one which is great but I was terribly disappointed when they released the DS one. Bought it on day one for the DS but could never find myself getting rid of it. Felt the same way when the released the Castlevania for 3DS as it had gone the way of the terrible PS3 games but I still have it.

I think so many of us would love to see these systems brought back from the dead with brand new stories. I know if I walked into Walmart tomorrow and saw those I think I would start crying. Just seeing the boxes with all the pics knowing that it actually came with a manual. Seeing signs that told you SNES and Genesis would restore my heart a little bit.

Simon_Belmont

14-Jan(#13)

SupremeSarna wrote:

> Wild Guns. It got a fantastic remake for modern platforms, but beyond that, it's

> a dead "series." It's a shooting gallery-styled game where your character has to

> dodge fire while dishing it out, which isn't too common of a genre. The graphics

> are sublime in both versions (better in the remake, obviously), and it's set in a

> futuristic Wild West. What's not to love?

There's a slew of Neo Geo arcade games like this, next time i pull up MAME i'll get you a list.

Dynamite Duke (Arcade/Genesis) has similar play, graphics etc and The Punisher game for NES is strangely like Wild Guns.

Simon_Belmont

14-Jan(#14)

Renaissance2K wrote:

> I remember being really disappointed when Mirror's Edge ended. It did eventually

> get a reboot eight years later that diverged a lot from the original formula, but

> the semi-melancholic ending of the first game with "Still Alive" (the Lisa Miskovsky

> track, not the GLaDOS one) playing behind the credits made me want to stay in the

> world and continue to help. It wasn't the only parkour game around - hell, even the

> Ninja Turtles had one at that point - but it had a very distinct vibe that was hard

> to replicate.

I assume you've played it, but all of the non Titan combat in the Titanfall 2 campaign reminded me of Mirror's Edge, movement, control and combat wise.

Renaissance2K

14-Jan(#15)

Simon_Belmont wrote:

> I assume you've played it, but all of the non Titan combat in the Titanfall 2 campaign

> reminded me of Mirror's Edge, movement, control and combat wise.

Haven't touched anything in the Titanfall franchise, but I'll look into it. Most of the coverage I've seen is about the giant robots.

Slickriven

14-Jan(#16)

Titanfall, especially 2, was criminally underplayed by the masses. I got into TF1 late in the cycle on PC but still enjoyed it even though I'm not an MP guy in general. I then picked up TF2 a handful of months after it came out on sale for like $35 and the campaign was excellent. I don't think I even played any MP matches, but enjoyed the campaign enough and I've been thinking about replaying it lately. Almost did this past year, surely will this year.

nonamesleft

14-Jan(#17)

This is more of a series of games, rather than just one. I enjoyed every Wario Land game I played. I wish they'd make more.

SupremeSarna

14-Jan(#18)

Chibi-Robo! Plug Into Adventure. The series kept going after it, but none ever reached the same level of awesomeness that the original had. It’s a 3D exploration-platformer with an intriguing story and memorable NPCs. You’re a tiny robot that an irresponsible father buys for his family (but mostly for himself) to do household tasks and spread happiness. What starts as a chore simulator quickly escalates as the family’s relationship crumbles and the mother demands a divorce. Can you fix things for them? (Chibi-Robo! PIA explores several mature subjects, which really sets it apart from other E-rated games of this genre.)

Being four inches tall comes with a lot of downsides. Exploring a big house is tricky, requiring a keen eye for things to climb and a a lot of electricity the family can barely afford. You earn Happy Points by helping the family and the living toys that inhabit their house. You can spend these on upgrades and tools that help you explore further and advance the story. It’s extremely rewarding.

The other games in this series don’t reach the same level. They’re all spin-offs that bring some amount of Chibi-Robo! goodness, but don’t really serve as a proper successor. Park Patrol is decent if a little repetitive, I haven’t played Clean Sweep but have heard it’s second-best, Photo Finder is tedious and gross-looking (thanks, Vanpool), and Zip Lash deserves far better than the Internet would have you believe. But none of them hold a candle to the rare GameCube gem.

Simon_Belmont

15-Jan(#19)

Renaissance2K wrote:

> Simon_Belmont wrote:

>> I assume you've played it, but all of the non Titan combat in the Titanfall 2

> campaign

>> reminded me of Mirror's Edge, movement, control and combat wise.

> Haven't touched anything in the Titanfall franchise, but I'll look into it. Most

> of the coverage I've seen is about the giant robots.

At least half of the campaign in TF2 is on foot, probably more. And it's all Mirror's Edge style parkour running and timing, with gunplay in sections.
There's a sequence in a "factory" (i don't want to spoil it too much) that uses all of it and its all crazy timed jumps and slides and....it's one of my favorite levels in the history of video games and it's so incredibly original and inventive.

citizen_zane

15-Jan(#20)

Some games I'd like to see a sequel (or another sequel) to:

Beyond Good & Evil. It's in development limbo right now, so who knows if we'll ever see it,

Rhythm Heaven series. These games were wonderful! I'd love to see another one. It was like a rhythmic Wario Ware game (which makes sense since it involved some of the same developers).

Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime. This game was simply amazing. If there is anytihing else like it, I'd really like to know.

And the best for last - Urban Champion! I know it's impossible to improve upon near perfection, but an updated version of this with a few more additions would be nice, especially online play. I've been dying for that feature for decades now! Character customization would be nice as well.

citizen_zane

15-Jan(#21)

SupremeSarna wrote:

> Chibi-Robo! Plug Into Adventure. The series kept going after it, but none ever

> reached the same level of awesomeness that the original had.

My daughter absolutely loves this game. It's one she likes to come back to on occasion. She's also played the DS and 3DS Chibi Robo games and reached thet same conclusion as you. I wish they would revisit the original formula.

benstylus

* 15-Jan(#22)

citizen_zane wrote:

> Rhythm Heaven series. These games were wonderful! I'd love to see another one.

Have you tried Beat City for DS? It gives a lot of Rhythm Heaven vibes

> And the best for last - Urban Champion! I know it's impossible to improve upon near

> perfection, but an updated version of this with a few more additions would be nice,

> especially online play. I've been dying for that feature for decades now! Character

> customization would be nice as well.

Online play is overrated: You can't see the absolute disappointment in your opponents face when they have to relinquish the title of Urban Champion

SupremeSarna

15-Jan(#23)

Pikmin. Every game in the Pikmin series has taken a different approach to RTS, typically getting easier and less stressful the newer it is. But the original from 2001 (and its ports to other consoles) has them all beaten IMO. It’s quite ruthless with its enemy behaviors and dangerous hazards. It’s really short, being only five stages long (with stage 1 being a tutorial and stage 5 being completely optional), so it’s ultra-replayable. Unlike the other games, it has no antagonist—just the cruelty of nature. Unlike Pikmin 2 and 4, you have a limited number of in-game days to survive. Unlike Pikmin 3, you have no way of earning more time; you have only 30 days you must spend wisely.

The series is great, but the first game is my pick for the best. Wish they’d make another just like that, but I’ll take what I can get with this neglected franchise.

citizen_zane

15-Jan(#24)

benstylus wrote:

> citizen_zane wrote:

>> Rhythm Heaven series. These games were wonderful! I'd love to see another one.

> Have you tried Beat City for DS? It gives a lot of Rhythm Heaven vibes

I'll check that one out. Thanks for the suggestion.

>> And the best for last - Urban Champion! I know it's impossible to improve upon

> near

>> perfection, but an updated version of this with a few more additions would be

> nice,

>> especially online play. I've been dying for that feature for decades now! Character

>> customization would be nice as well.

> Online play is overrated: You can't see the absolute disappointment in your opponents

> face when they have to relinquish the title of Urban Champion

That is very true! However, since you are the only person who will play me in person, I may never experience the same joy that you have. Online play with the other 5 people in the world who appreciate this classic may be my only shot at victory.

benstylus

* 16-Jan(#25)

citizen_zane wrote:

> benstylus wrote:

> |>> And the best for last - Urban Champion! I know it's impossible to improve upon

>> near

> |>> perfection, but an updated version of this with a few more additions would be

>> nice,

> |>> especially online play. I've been dying for that feature for decades now! Character

> |>> customization would be nice as well.

> |>>

>> Online play is overrated: You can't see the absolute disappointment in your opponents

>> face when they have to relinquish the title of Urban Champion

That is very true! However, since you are the only person who will play me

> in person, I may never experience the same joy that you have. Online play with the

> other 5 people in the world who appreciate this classic may be my only shot at victory.

True, for most people the disappointment is the fact they are playing Urban Champion.

But it was a close match! You could potentially take down the Champion next time we meet

citizen_zane

* 16-Jan(#26)

benstylus wrote:

> citizen_zane wrote:

>> benstylus wrote:

>> |>> And the best for last - Urban Champion! I know it's impossible to improve

> upon

> |>> near

>> |>> perfection, but an updated version of this with a few more additions would

> be

> |>> nice,

>> |>> especially online play. I've been dying for that feature for decades now!

> Character

>> |>> customization would be nice as well.

>> |>>

> |>>

> |>> Online play is overrated: You can't see the absolute disappointment in your

> opponents

> |>> face when they have to relinquish the title of Urban Champion

> |>>

That is very true! However, since you are the only person who will play

> me

>> in person, I may never experience the same joy that you have. Online play with

> the

>> other 5 people in the world who appreciate this classic may be my only shot at

> victory.

> True, for most people the disappointment is the fact they are playing Urban Champion.

> But it was a close match! You could potentially take down the Champion next time

> we meet

I'm plan to be ready. I'm trying a radical change to my style of playing. I'm hoping this new technique will pay off, but first, I must practice it more.

benstylus

16-Jan(#27)

I'm going to be the cocky guy in the movie who doesn't really practice and coasts to a victory because he's that good.

That's how all those movies play out right?

benstylus

16-Jan(#28)

benstylus wrote:

> I'm going to be the cocky guy in the movie who doesn't really practice and coasts

> to a victory because he's that good.

> That's how all those movies play out right?

I just realized this IS exactly how the movies play out if:

- This is part 2 of a Trilogy

OR

- Citizen_Zane isn't the real protagonist of the story... and his defeat will spark the true spirit of the underdog protagonist who will find the strength within to defeat me. (In which case I hope your daughter is practicing as hard as you!)

citizen_zane

16-Jan(#29)

benstylus wrote:

> I'm going to be the cocky guy in the movie who doesn't really practice and coasts

> to a victory because he's that good.

> That's how all those movies play out right?

Don't worry, all those redemption movies where the challenger surpasses the cocky champion have mislead us, much like most of our childhood movies.

Dangit, I shouldn't have mentioned my practicing. Watch me go and work my tail off, drive all the way up there, only to have you smack me away like a fly on your Urban Champion shoulder. That would make my defeat even worse!

benstylus

17-Jan(#30)

I am having a very Urban Champion day at work. Someone needs to be knocked into a manhole.

Simon_Belmont

17-Jan(#31)

I got into console gaming late, so Urban Champion was my Mortal Kombat until at least 97 or 98. I like it. I don't get all the hate.

To get back on topic, any games out there that are like the modern XCOM games? I've found a few indies and Chimera Squad is ok, but I'd love to find something that really scratches that itch.

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