Anxiouz
20-Jun-2023(#1)
I was wondering why Xbox chatter got quiet but I see the old thread got closed (due to lack of activity I presume?). Spinning this back up.
I'm excited about some of the Xbox stuff coming later this year (can't wait for Forza to finally get here!) but for my gaming tastes GP has been pretty terrible most of this year. My son is getting a lot of mileage out of it but he and his friends jump games a lot so it works out great and makes for a nice deal.
back4more
28-Dec(#3)BucketofJustice wrote:> Get the Xbox Elite controller if you can. I love mine, and I have two of them, one
> for each of my consoles. I like the weight of the controller, there’s a ton of
> customization options, and the obvious high quality of the controller. I did have
> the left bumper issue on one of my controllers, but that was 3 years after I bought
> it, and a local retro game store fixed me right up for $40. Still recommend the controller.
Thanks. I did end up ordering a red Elite 2 core controller, didn't want to miss out on the $96 sake price. I'll order a third party paddle pack from Amazon.
Simon_Belmont
29-Dec(#5)The Robocop game is super on sale, but only on Xbox and only as part of a the Microsoft "Countdown" promotion. Previous games from these Countdown sales made it to Gamepass days or weeks after the sale.
Is it safe to presume that Robocop will end up on Gamepass or should i jump on this deal?
Same thing with Modern Warfare III, it's the cheapest i've ever seen a new release COD game so close to its original release date. I know there's a higher probably of COD coming to Gamepass due to the Activision/Blizzard deal going into effect Jan 1st. Would Microsoft bring COD to Gamepass as a giant F YOU to Sony?
Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
Simon_Belmont
29-Dec(#6)Also, if you took advantage of having PC Game Pass ( i did, there's a couple games on there that i don't have to buy on Steam now)...you can Gift 5 of your friends a 14 day trial with a $5 Microsoft gift card.
That's a nice gesture from Microsoft
back4more
30-Dec(#8)BucketofJustice wrote:> Hell yeah. Let me know how you like it once you get it.
I love it. Why oh why did I wait so long?? Prime delivery is sucking right now so I got a set of the Scuf paddles, since that's all I could get within the 2 days (actually got them next day), and I'm trying to get used to not hitting the paddles on accident. The Scuf's are smaller and shaped different from the OEM paddles so they can be flipped and used in slots other than designed for. I'll probably use just 2 paddles for a while to adjust. So glad I got the Elite Series 2 though.
benstylus
* 18-Jan(#11)Feeb wrote:>
> Xbox ceo says Microsoft can now be a multiplat publisher. Not quite saying the inevitable
> corollary.
People who buy Xbox hardware from this point forward are suckers?
Or there won't be Xbox hardware from this point forward?
Feeb
18-Jan(#12)benstylus wrote:> Feeb wrote:
>>
>> Xbox ceo says Microsoft can now be a multiplat publisher. Not quite saying the
> inevitable
>> corollary.
>
> People who buy Xbox hardware from this point forward are suckers?
>
> Or there won't be Xbox hardware from this point forward?
>
>
Yes.
Shane12m
18-Jan(#15)Hmm was hoping/expecting more of an uncharted style gameplay with Indiana Jones. Definitely didn’t sell me on the game at all, but I’m not a big Indiana jones fan. Combat looked meh
benstylus
18-Jan(#16)Finn wrote:> I love it, been saying this for YEARS!! But I was brushed off as some looney toon.
> Though I mentioned this before GP was even a thing, it just makes more sense now
> that it is. GP to be sustainable needs to be on everything it can... You you need
> to branch out and fine other sources of revenue to make up for the limited reach
> GP would have. The GP model right now is NOT sustainable. I think MS is better positioned
> as a 3rd party then 1st.
Realistically, they could keep gamepass proprietary to Xbox / PC and make people buy the games on other platforms if they wanted to. MS can afford to play the very long game.
If they did that, then the future of Xbox is 100% digital starting with the next generation or possibly a mid-gen digital-only refresh. Next gen or the one after that I imagine they would be pushing hard for cloud everything too.
Gamepass on PS4 or Switch seems like it would be DOA. Right now, neither Sony or Nintendo want MS to compete against their subscription service on their own platform, so if it is ever allowed, Sony and Nintendo would be getting a significant cut of that $.
Finn
18-Jan(#19)benstylus wrote:> Finn wrote:
>> I love it, been saying this for YEARS!! But I was brushed off as some looney toon.
>> Though I mentioned this before GP was even a thing, it just makes more sense now
>> that it is. GP to be sustainable needs to be on everything it can... You you need
>> to branch out and fine other sources of revenue to make up for the limited reach
>> GP would have. The GP model right now is NOT sustainable. I think MS is better
> positioned
>> as a 3rd party then 1st.
>
> Realistically, they could keep gamepass proprietary to Xbox / PC and make people
> buy the games on other platforms if they wanted to. MS can afford to play the very
> long game.
>
> If they did that, then the future of Xbox is 100% digital starting with the next
> generation or possibly a mid-gen digital-only refresh. Next gen or the one after
> that I imagine they would be pushing hard for cloud everything too.
>
> Gamepass on PS4 or Switch seems like it would be DOA. Right now, neither Sony or
> Nintendo want MS to compete against their subscription service on their own platform,
> so if it is ever allowed, Sony and Nintendo would be getting a significant cut of
> that $.
>
>
I don't know if MS is all that keen on playing that long game though. They have lots of money sure, but how long do you want to bleed or prop up a model that is un-sustainable? I think for sure having some games come to other platforms will help open up other revenue streams... GP is great for the consumer but ultimately I don't trust it.
I think GP on other platforms would work but not like it currently is. I think for it to work on other platforms it has to offer just MS games and not other games, I think what can push Sony and MS away is if non MS first party games show up on GP then you are basically cannibalizing sales. If you just put MS games on a service and offer it at a competitive price it's a win win. Sony and Nintendo make some cash and MS has more subscribers, basically opens up another revenue stream for MS and Nintendo and Sony make money of something that otherwise would not be there.
Simon_Belmont
19-Jan(#20)TalonJedi87 wrote:> This new Indy game looks awesome! Developed by Wolfenstein devs too. Troy Baker as
> Indy also.
>
And Todd Howard is exec producing it, the director of Wolfenstein New Order and Youngblood is behind it. I'm digging the gameplay, combat looks great.
It looks like it's 3rd person during exploration and 1st during combat, which i absolutely love, i wish more games would do this.
Its set between Raiders and Last Crusade, seeing Marcus in the trailer actually brought tears to my eyes. I love him in the series and the actor was a great man.
Simon_Belmont
19-Jan(#21)Shane12m wrote:> Hmm was hoping/expecting more of an uncharted style gameplay with Indiana Jones.
> Definitely didn’t sell me on the game at all, but I’m not a big Indiana jones
> fan. Combat looked meh
It is.
Exploration, puzzles, and interactions etc (like rope swings ) are in 3rd person like Uncharted and combat is in First Person.
"Players control Indy as they navigate through a mix of linear, story-sensitive areas and wider, exploratory landscapes. Combat can either be directly engaged with or circumvented entirely through the use of stealth mechanics, and the character's signature whip can be used as both a weapon, or as a means for traversing across obstacles, and solving various puzzles to uncover alternate paths and obscured collectibles."
SMY36738
* 19-Jan(#22)Indiana Jones and the Great Circle looks very promising! But Senua's Saga: Hellblade II has my full attention at the moment. The first game was great, and I think this sequel is poised to be better with all of the additional funding that Microsoft has. Disappointed that there will be no physical release, but I am not surprised. Avowed also looks solid!
2024 should be a good year for Xbox studios!
benstylus
19-Jan(#25)Finn wrote: > I don't know if MS is all that keen on playing that long game though. They have lots
> of money sure, but how long do you want to bleed or prop up a model that is un-sustainable?
> I think for sure having some games come to other platforms will help open up other
> revenue streams...
They've been propping up Xbox since the early 2000s despite never getting any kind of foothold for the Xbox ecosystem in the Asian markets. That's a huge market not to be competing in.
> GP is great for the consumer but ultimately I don't trust it.
It's great for a certain kind of consumer right now, but I think bad for consumers in general in the long run.
Look at what has happened with video streaming. Dozens of services out there and to watch everything you want, you have to subscribe to multiple, or binge on one service then switch to another, etc. So either you are paying as much as you would have to just buy the stuff, or you have a part time job managing your subscriptions to make sure you are using, pausing, etc. each service at optimal times or you are just throwing away money.
Simon_Belmont
19-Jan(#26)TalonJedi87 wrote:> Just realized the new Indy game will be Xbox and PC exclusives. Sony is probably
> eating their hat right about now. Until that Wolverine game by Insomniac comes out
> that is.
Another M rated Wolverine game would be fantastic.
That Wolverine Origins game was great. 100 times better than the movie.
Simon_Belmont
19-Jan(#28)TalonJedi87 wrote:> Heck yeah. I replayed the Wolverine Origins game so many damn times in the early
> 2010’s. And I think they said they got approval from Marvel to make the new Wolverine
> game M.
Oh my gosh, that's awesome. It was wishfull thinking but it looks like you're on the money.
https://gamerant.com/marvels-wolverine-m-rating-co... Finn
19-Jan(#30)benstylus wrote:> Finn wrote:
>> I don't know if MS is all that keen on playing that long game though. They have
> lots
>> of money sure, but how long do you want to bleed or prop up a model that is un-sustainable?
>> I think for sure having some games come to other platforms will help open up other
>> revenue streams...
>
> They've been propping up Xbox since the early 2000s despite never getting any kind
> of foothold for the Xbox ecosystem in the Asian markets. That's a huge market not
> to be competing in.
>
>> GP is great for the consumer but ultimately I don't trust it.
>
> It's great for a certain kind of consumer right now, but I think bad for consumers
> in general in the long run.
>
> Look at what has happened with video streaming. Dozens of services out there and
> to watch everything you want, you have to subscribe to multiple, or binge on one
> service then switch to another, etc. So either you are paying as much as you would
> have to just buy the stuff, or you have a part time job managing your subscriptions
> to make sure you are using, pausing, etc. each service at optimal times or you are
> just throwing away money.
>
>
>
>
True, but that does not mean it’s going to last forever, they have also said that if GP can’t make the subscriber threshold they have set out that they could pull out of the market. That tells me that there is definitely a time limit.
benstylus
20-Jan(#31)Finn wrote: > True, but that does not mean it’s going to last forever, they have also said that
> if GP can’t make the subscriber threshold they have set out that they could pull
> out of the market. That tells me that there is definitely a time limit.
They just paid 68.7 billion dollars to buy Activision, buy far the highest dollar acquisition of a video game company ever.
For context, the second biggest acquisition was Take Two buying Zynga for 12.7 billion. The MS/Activision deal was nearly five and a half times that.
They ain't pullin' out anytime soon.
Finn
20-Jan(#32)benstylus wrote:> Finn wrote:
>> True, but that does not mean it’s going to last forever, they have also said
> that
>> if GP can’t make the subscriber threshold they have set out that they could
> pull
>> out of the market. That tells me that there is definitely a time limit.
>
> They just paid 68.7 billion dollars to buy Activision, buy far the highest dollar
> acquisition of a video game company ever.
>
> For context, the second biggest acquisition was Take Two buying Zynga for 12.7 billion.
> The MS/Activision deal was nearly five and a half times that.
>
> They ain't pullin' out anytime soon.
>
>
Just repeating what was said. They have a number they want to hit and they want growth. The GP model has to have growth in active accounts or it fails. It's even bigger now because of the acquisition. I believe MS said that if this move does not bring in the numbers they wanted they would indeed pull out out... I think think they would rethink things. I would bet they would leave hardware and focus on selling software personally.
I maybe wrong, but I did say for awhile that MS should go multi plat, said it more when GP came out... it makes more sense, to be successful it means MS has to shift from 1st to 3rd party. They are starting to do it now. It's only a matter of time before it fully happens IMO. It feels as though MS could see the writing on the wall.
Anxiouz
26-Jan(#37)The upcoming XSX refresh isn't going to be a Pro model, and it loses the disc drive. I don't know why they'd even bother with doing that. We throw in old BC discs more than anything in ours.
benstylus
26-Jan(#39)TalonJedi87 wrote:> They’re probably also doing this if true to keep costs down. I usually balk at
> $70 AAA disc based games now and wait for a price drop. And as much as I don’t
> care for digital mostly I’ll concede to paying $10 or so less digital than for
> the disc if push comes to shove.
They aren't going to lower digital game prices because they want you to gamepass
Anxiouz
* 26-Jan(#46)Feeb wrote:> I’m not sure why MS is hellbent on dying on this gamepass hill.
Money. A consistent revenue stream and making like $200M+ each month off it is nothing to sneeze at. It takes away the pressure of having a AAA title flop. Over 2 billion dollars a year is one hell of an incentive to carry on down this path.
I think GP is a great value, especially compared to PS+. PS+ mostly just gets things that GP already had a year prior.
Slickriven
26-Jan(#49)Not trying to bang on Sony for their approach with PS+ but I feel like I read the head of Sony just recently said that he didn't think GP made any sense because people only play one game at a time.
Maybe I didn't catch that correctly, but if so, I have no clue where they got that from. Maybe before GP I was more like that, but in the past 2 weeks or so I've played at least 7 different games on my XSX alone, plus likely 4 more on my PC.
For me with GP, I did the $1 upgrade initially and had right around 2.5 years when I did, then I got a full 37 months and did it again, only for the full 1 month price of $15 then. When that runs out in about 13 months I don't think I'll renew. I've accumulated so many games on that system and others that don't get as much attention, so I'm good with letting the sub lapse and maybe I'd go back to the old Live which is of course now GP-core or whatever - but maybe not, I had Live to play with my college buddy who lives far away, but he's a dad and doesn't play much period and even less so co-op.
I also know other people who didn't game a lot on their X1 but opted to try GP for the $1 price and then didn't pay attention and kept getting charged the $15/month and played virtually zero games via it before I believe eventually waking up to the fact and canceling. I'm sure like with most subs, M$ hopes folks do that and pay for it whilst hardly playing games. I presume that most GP contracts have an 'acquire' component to get games and then a 'use based' fee - meaning that if Ubisoft opts to put AC Syndicate on there, M$ pays them a flat fee and then tracks how much Syndicate gets played and then pays Ubi for time usage and/or number of players whom actually played more than like 30 mins. Clearly that's my assumption, but that model would mean that 1000s of active subs paying $15+/month and playing almost nothing period or think of those CoD only type of players, results in a good bit on income vs. pay outs. Not that GP doesn't seek to promote it's breadth of games, it does, but I'd bet they love folks who really only play 1 or a few games a bunch, vs. folks who play lots and lots of different games.
Groo
27-Jan(#54)MrBean wrote:> See, this just annoys me.
>
> Wanted to grab Lego Star Wars for my kid on Xbox, digitally. $60! Yet, it's $15 physically,
> insane.
standard $18 and deluxe $21 on eshop
TalonJedi87
* 5-Feb(#68)benstylus wrote:> Because when they own the biggest brands I'm gaming, they can sort of dictate the
> direction of the industry.
>
> They are pushing hard for the all digital, zero consumer ownership future where every
> gamer is a continuous revenue stream. Being far and away the largest player in the
> industry allows them to dramatically increase the pace towards that goal.
>
> For every one of us old guard who says we won't take part of that there are plenty
> of younger gamers who will.
>
>
Makes sense. I’m an old core gamer myself and prefer disc vs digital and I can already see them dissolving all future games by disc and pivoting to the all digital future. They’re already starting with Hellblade II this year being all digital I believe. I guess limited run games is going to be the place to go for the old disc folks like myself’s future. Blah.
benstylus
5-Feb(#69)TalonJedi87 wrote: > Makes sense. I’m an old core gamer myself and prefer disc vs digital and I can
> already see them dissolving all future games by disc and pivoting to the all digital
> future. They’re already starting with Hellblade II this year being all digital
> I believe. I guess limited run games is going to be the place to go for the old disc
> folks like myself’s future. Blah.
Or just play the old games til they don't play no more.
Dusk
5-Feb(#71)I wonder if they will do a limited gamepass of sorts for certain platforms where it will be cheaper but less stuff. Maybe only certain exclusives and what not.
Groo
6-Feb(#72)If they have trouble releasing Games, how are they going to do only releasing games? What will Sony Fan Boys do when there is no Xbox, will they talk about the good ole days of hat'in? Will they buy and play MS games or will they still hate on them?
Finn
7-Feb(#73)Dusk wrote:> I wonder if they will do a limited gamepass of sorts for certain platforms where
> it will be cheaper but less stuff. Maybe only certain exclusives and what not.
I think that is the only way Sony or Nintendo OK it. 1st party MS games and nothing that could cut take away from there bottom line. I mean if game "A" comes out on GP on a PlayStation or Nintendo then they loose out on a potential sale. This could be a good thing for MS as it would allow them to cut back on some overhead ie. money tossed at putting 3rd party on GP. At very least 3rd party games need at least a year before they are eligible for GP so not to cut into sales on other consoles. This is honestly why I think Sony's approach is far more sustainable. With all the IP and studios that MS has at there finger tips it should not be a problem pumping out games on a decent schedule right? That's why they did this... that's what they told us.
benstylus
* 8-Feb(#76)benstylus wrote:> To be fair, layoffs are expected after a big merger, as there would probably be quite
> a bit of duplication of staff to be integratred.
>
> The Riot Games layoffs are the bigger story IMO.
>
>
> League of Legends alone brings in nearly 2 billion dollars a year. Even with that
> Riot isn't immune
So as more info comes out about the Xbox layoffs, it's clear that it's a whole lot more than just redundant positions being eliminated after eating Activision.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/tech/article/tech-layo...RIP Toys for Bob
Finn
8-Feb(#80)Apparently there is a bunch of unrest among dev's. They are not liking the new compensation rules since MS is moving away from physical sales and never post sales it's not sitting well with a lot. I can see MS bleeding a lot of the talent they acquired as things shake out.
What gets me though is MS apparently is pushing forward with there next gen console. What is the point? Honestly, I see absolutely no point in owning an Xbox when they go multiplatform. Not only that, look at 3rd party support... Will they want to support a platform with so many question marks around it? The optics are pretty bad when you have MS choosing not to full it's full weight behind a console they made. They have been so wishy washy about there hardware lately.
It also looks like they are renaming Xbox Game Pass to Microsoft Game Pass.
https://media.gamestop.com/i/gamestop/MSFTXBDemoDa...The Xbox branding is there, but it's interesting they name chosen. Instead of Xbox Gamepass it's Microsoft Gamepass.