VideoGame_Discussion

TalonJedi87 wrote:

Some of that extra profit they'll see would be offset by people that would want the game but only buys physical I would think, like Anxiouz.

AA and AAA games are not cheap to make. If something cost $50M in just dev costs, they need 700+k copies sold just to break even. And that doesn't account for marketing which is usually a huge amount on top of that. So a game could literally need to sell 1M copies to not cause layoffs.

So I don't think $70 is a crazy price. A $100M spend to make a game needs 1.4M copies sold to break even (Marketing not included). Soooooo much risk involved.

A friend of mine worked on the recent Saints Row. When that didn't hit sales figures it shuttered the company and they got laid off. If they had charged $30 for the game I don't think they would have doubled sales or saved the company.

So I'm ok with the price of games, but it makes it harder to justify when it's digital and you can't refund or trade/sell.

Why not charge $70 for physical and $60 for digital, giving anyone who wants the game the option to buy it the way they choose? Seems logical but what do I know.

Overall budget for the game reportedly stands at €70 million, with €50 million in development and an additional €20 million spent on marketing. This is considered to make the game one of the most expensive cultural products in the history of Finland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Wake_II#:~:text....

I'm not sure what that converts to in U.S. but I think close to 100 mil, €70 million, that did include marketing. I would think being on PS5, Xbox Series X and PC they should be able to sell over 1 million.

Alan Wake 2 is $60 digital only. So they're doing that already.

But not knowing if I'll like the game makes that a $60 gamble. Even if I had to buy physical at $100 I could at least sell or trade it for half that and not feel like I'm forever stuck with something I don't like.

I paid $40 for Bomb Rush Cyberfunk (digital) and have been stuck after about an hour of play. I simply cannot advance and have no idea what I'm missing. I thought the tutorial intro was terrible and wanted a refund pretty quickly but that's not possible on PSN. So I keep trying and am still stuck. If I had a disc I could at least get $20 from someone to offset my wasted investment.

Anxiouz wrote:

I know it's $60 that's what I meant, keep digital at $60 but also give the option for physical at $70.

That's the thing about digital they usually try to charge the same price as physical and that's one of the big turns off to me. You're not having to print a disc or cover or ship it to a store you're cutting out the middle man why would you expect the same price? To make matters worse when a game goes on sale it's almost always cheaper on physical than digital. Probably why they want to get rid of physical across the board.

Anxiouz wrote:

To be fair there were almost 8,000 titles released for PS1. You would be hard pressed to make anything 100% compatible with that large of a library.


For PS2 yes, but was BC for PS1 for its entire run



Eh, I think PS5 is backwards compatible because of the chip shortage when it was first being made rather than anything MS was doing.

I also don't think it's particularly sloppy, other than how they handle ps4 games with ps5 upgrades on them.

I do think it's crappy that they require PS5 controllers to be used for PS5 games when the only real difference is in the force feedback.


We're right around 3 years in to the system's life and they are increasing the price rather than lowering it. I can't imagine that a pro model at $600 or $700 would be particularly viable economically.

Besides, the Switch has proven that people will stick with older hardware for a long time if it has the games you want. We're at 6 and a half years and still no official announcement of its successor.

Yup, I'd be perfectly happy if Nintendo kept releasing games like Super Mario Wonder along with remakes like Super Mario RPG for the next few years. That's not saying I'm not excited about a Switch 2. But Switch just works for me right now, and will continue to do so for a bit longer.

ErickRPG wrote:

Wrong thread?

Reply to the very last part of the post above mine.

And Nintendo loves people who keep buying the same games over and over again.

Kommie wrote:

This is a tired old arguement that every Nintendo game is the same. It's been almost 20 years since Super Mario RPG. So I can forgive a full remake in cases like that. And Nintendo has continiously evolved their "same games" over time. From Zelda to Mario to Kirby. Nintendo has done just as much innovating, perhaps more, than any other first party studio.

They have their audience and the audience doesn't seem to care. All the power to them.

Well this is unfortunate. I was looking forward to potentially (probably not) replaying MGS 1 and 2.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/10/25/...

https://twitter.com/DestinLegarie/status/171693265...

I hope they remake 1 and 2 like they are 3, but since they're starting with 3 that seems to point to them not doing it I guess.

justin_credible wrote:

I keep hearing Snake eater is so good, I've never played it. But plan to play the remake at some point. I was actually going to get Snake Eater 3D for the before but then the next gen remake got announced. Snake Eater is $100'ish so yeah I'll go with the full remake.

This is why I’m sticking with my MGS Legacy Collection over the master collection volumes. I still have my PS3 for that reason. It has all the games minus MGS5 at 60fps for the most part and much more of a value than whatever sludge Konami tossed together in a hot minute. But yeah I’d kill for a MGS1 Twin Snakes remake. And 2 as well.

benstylus wrote:


Yeah, this is pretty damn weird. There was a trophy I needed in a game that required me to do a split-screen race but my PS4 controller wouldn't work as Player 2 unless I connected via the Remote Play app on PC.

Also my friend only has a PS4/Dual Shock 4, but she connects remotely to my PS5 via SharePlay and we play PS5 co-op games with no issue. But if she was here in person the PS5 wouldn't let her use a DualShock 4 to play.

MrBean wrote:

Huge disappointment. I was looking forward to playing these again. This just makes me think more and more about getting a Steam deck just for a centralized ROM console

Konami has sucked since Kojima left, and IMO Kojima has sucked without Konami. I was a huge HUGE fan and beaten all his games even Metal Gear 1 and 2, Policenauts (never came to America), Snatcher and Zone of the Enders 1 and 2, all Metal Gear Solids of course even spent 255 hours getting 100% on MGS 5 Phantom Pain. I was so hyped for Death Stranding the graphics looked good the story looked interesting it had Norman Reedus. Kojima was known for having the best gameplay in his games so I wasn't worried about that, however it turned out to be a walking mailman simulator. Never even got close to finishing it just lost all interest tried many times again and still not close to finishing it. My most disappointing game of all time and now he's doing a sequel.

Death Stranding is the rick and morty of video games. It’s so far beyond us.

Kommie wrote:

You are looking at it from the wrong perspective.

People LIKE buying the same games over and over again. .

It's not a stretch to go from buying similar playing sequels to remakes to finally landing on just selling selling the same exact game.

Nintendo just made that connection sooner than a lot of other companies.

justin_credible wrote:

I agree. Without Konami to keep Kojima in check we get some weird ass stuff like as seen in Death Stranding and without Kojima, Konami is just pumping out fly by night remasters without much care. I just hope the MGS3 Remake is as good as the trailers look.

Wait, we really talking about Nintendo re-releasing games from their most unsuccessful console ever in negative contrast to Sony that released The Last of Us for the third time this year?

TalonJedi87 wrote:

Dude, the trailer they released a couple of days ago was awesome! At least visually. I kinda want to see a proper gameplay slice before really getting my hopes up, though. Snake Eater is a masterpiece, imo. It's one of the few games that's kinda burned into my memory and I'll never forget how blown away I was by it at the time. Really hope Konami is able to deliver on this remake and the Silent Hill 2 remake as well.

I pray that Konami doesn’t drop the ball on both MGS3 and Silent Hill 2 remakes. They may just earn back some of my respect if they pull it off

DarkFact wrote:


Silly argument, but let's not pretend it only started with Wii U.

TalonJedi87 wrote:

With Silent Hill 2 Bloober Team is making it (The Medium, Layers of Fear, Blair Witch) I was able to play through The Medium. Thought it was really good except a little lacking in gameplay as far as fighting enemies but really good puzzles, atmosphere and story. I have at least some faith in them that they can make a good SH remake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJi-7Ue_7ms

But MGS 3 is being developed by an internal studio from Konami. AFAIK their first game of this scope in years (they may still make soccer games? I wouldn't know I don't play those)

Wondering where they go from here though. IMO they should let Bloober Team make a brand new Silent Hill and maybe try to find a good enough developer to make a new MGS? I would love for them to remake Metal Gear (the original that was on MSX) I think there was some rumblings that Kojima wanted to do that, but that may be too much to ask. Maybe they could remake MGS 1 and 2. I'm positive they don't have the type of creative minds anymore they had when they first made these Metal Gear and Silent Hill games. I was even surprised an internal team from Konami is doing a game as massive as MGS 3 remake because how big could it be when they've spent near a decade tearing down their game division?

I kind of wish they would go to someone like Capcom or Sega and try to sell the Metal Gear, Silent Hill and Castlevania series to them but I doubt that will ever happen. (should have happened 8 years ago) I still can't get over someone rose to CEO of Konami that didn't like video games or think they were worth the money to invest in them and got rid of Hideo Kojima.

I never took the time to check into it but apparently they hired a new CEO as of 2020. That must be why they suddenly got interested in games again.

Too bad Blue Point is now owned by Sony. They excel at remakes. Maybe they can license Toys for Bob. They did a great job at Crash and Spyro remasters. But yeah I’ve played The Medium too and enjoyed it for what it was. And also their Blair Witch Project game which was a janky bloody mess but the story kept me intrigued to finish it to the end.

This is a damn good read about the demise of Konami and the fallout between them and Kojima. Apparently there was this mobile game called Dragon Collection and it changed everything because it caught fire in Japan saleswise and it was cheap to make. And guess who the developer of that mobile game was? The one who would end up being CEO and getting rid of Kojima and AAA games because he saw a goldmine in mobile gaming and thought AAA was too expensive.

https://www.svg.com/155464/the-truth-behind-konami...

Phantom Pain did cost over 80 million to develop and I can sort of understand why someone running a company would freak out but they made their money back in like two weeks. Too bad Kojima was already let go by the time the game came out.

The cost to develop games these days or for the last 10 years+ has hurt the industry in a lot of ways IMO.

TalonJedi87 wrote:

I don't think that's bad at all. Shadow of the Colossus remake and Demon's Souls remake were outstanding. I look forward to whatever their next one is on PS5.

ErickRPG wrote:

Yeah and I’m pretty sure all their remakes have been remakes of Sony properties anyway. I’m pretty hyped. They are super talented and I want to see if they are able to transition from a studio that just does remasters/remakes to one that’s able to make a full-fledged original game.

Heavyd814life wrote:


I know that feeling. I've been waiting since the late 2000s for Nintendo to finally allow Retro Studios to do something with an original IP. I like their DKC games nearly equally (if not a little more) to the originals by Rare, and I know I'm in the minority but I like the Metroid Prime games more than 2D Metroids. So I really want to see what they are really capable of with their own IP, I think it has potential to be something good.

PizzaTheHutt wrote:

Or even with Nintendo themselves

ErickRPG wrote:

Technically, DeS was great. In practice, the changes to the music and some of the aesthetics wasn't necessary and detracted from it imo. Lots of interesting, memorable, quirky music was replaced by very mid, boring, or flat out bad music and some stuff was made more "cool". Though I can appreciate how DeS feels like... DeS!

Unannounced major title coming from Capcom by March 2024

https://www.ign.com/articles/capcom-releasing-unan...

New Resident Evil or Monster Hunter would be my guess, because those are their two biggest selling franchises.

I’m afraid MH is going to go GAAS soon. I hope not.

It’s probably a new Monster Hunter title as I heard no new Resident Evil until 2025, which is the rumored RE9 but I mean heck I wouldn’t mind a Code Veronica remake but I have a feeling they’ll lean in and remake RE5 first.

It certainly wouldn't count as "major", but Viewtiful Joe 3 would be nice. Remaster the first two alongside it.

Zack and Wiki 2!

The most major of them all

justin_credible wrote:

Yeah, it’s probably Resident Evil or Monster Hunter since they say it’s a “major” title. But I’d love to see Capcom do something with Dino Crisis. That’s still the dream for me.