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I appreciate Miles Morales taking place during the holiday season. As cliche as it is, Christmas in New York is fairly iconic so I dig being able to visit it via a wildly fun video game around this time of year. Something about the scene near the beginning where everyone meets up at the Morales' apartment for Christmas dinner just makes me feel cozy.

When it comes to Spider-man 2, all I'm really looking for is more of the same so that just gets me more excited. I'm mostly looking forward to the story, which is a nice breath of fresh air. Spider-man and Miles Morales both had legitimately captivating stories, and the trailers for Spider-man 2 look like it's going to the next level. It feels like anticipating a movie, which is neat. Can't wait.

I can't wait to get my hands on Spiderman 2. I am thinking Boxing day. Have had no time lately but I need to play Jedi Survivor.. it's a pretty good game.

Finn wrote:

Happy bday!🍺🎊

Apparently, the hack of Insomniac revealed information about Spider-Man 3 and a possible multiplayer game (Marvel's Spider-Verse) in addition to early screenshots of Wolverine: https://gg.deals/blog/weekly-gaming-news-round-up-...

Feeb wrote:

Thank you!

Apparently, Sony signed a 12 year exclusivity agreement (PS and PC) with Marvel to make X-Men games: https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-signs-deal-with-.... After Wolverine, the first full X-Men one looks to be targeting a launch date that I’m assuming would mean it’ll be on PS6. I’ve been wanting next gen X-Men games for awhile, so this is pretty exciting (although I don’t love the exclusivity thing even on my preferred platform).

Good for Sony. Fighting back after Microsoft is trying to dominate the fudging gaming world.

I thought that new Blade game was a Microsoft exclusive?

Yeah. Marvel’s doing a Black Panther game with EA too. Just X-Men on the Sony deal.

justin_credible wrote:

Insomniac is doing the Wolverine game too right? I thought I remember reading reports that it'd be in the same universe as Spider-man. Having a full-fledged X-Men game from them would probably be pretty badass.

As long as it isn't like The Avengers. Oof.

Yeah. The leak said the Wolverine game is targeted for 2026. That was the game I was most excited about for the future until I heard about the full-on X-Men one. I can’t wait.

theJaw wrote:

incubus421 wrote:

The moment marvel or dc is mentioned nowadays, I've already tuned out.

MCU just completely burnt me out on all things superhero a few years ago.

For me, there's a significant enough difference between watching superhero movies and playing as the characters themselves in video games. Heck, most video games in general deal with super powered characters in some form -- a lot of the time with similar powers to heroes found in Marvel and DC. So I feel there's always a place for those types of games regardless of what movies/TV are doing with them.

I can understand superhero fatigue to some degree but if a story's good, a story's good. That's pretty much where I stand on that topic right now. The MCU could put out 25 bad movies in a row but the second they give me a story worth investing in, I'm not going to give it the ol' cold shoulder.

I think the first Captain America movie is the only MCU movie I've seen. Zero fatigue here. I'm all in on superhero games as long as it's not like Avengers, Suicide Squad or any other live service type game.

I’m genuinely excited for The Wolverine game. I hope it’s like the 2009 Raven Studios Wolverine game. That one was awesome.

TalonJedi87 wrote:

Sony's had a lockdown on exclusives for five generations. Can you please chill

So it’s cool when MS buys up like half the major publishers but not when Sony creates things from their own studio. Got it. Cause that makes all the sense in the world. And I own all systems and try to be fair to all but even I’m like come on MS you have more money than God. They should chill.

DarkFact wrote:

Then why is Jet Set Radio Future still exclusive to the first Xbox?

Blinx. The hypocrisy.

TalonJedi87 wrote:

That game was a blast! It's a shame Raven has just been on Call of Duty support dev ever since.

TalonJedi87 wrote:

If you're crying about Microsoft potentially getting exclusives, you're not trying to be fair. Sony has had like, 95% of the exclusives for generations and generations. The second something might not be Sony exclusive, suddenly we have a problem. Understood!

For the record, I think everything within reason should be on everything. It's just funny to see Sony consumers suddenly take this stance in 2023, of all years.

Let's see, Sony had their own first party games which were exclusive of course, so does Microsoft so does Nintendo. And because they were a Japanese company Japanese developers often chose to make games for their console and not put them on American made Microsoft. This was mostly during PS1 and PS2. How is that Sony's fault exactly? What should they have done encouraged those companies to put their games on Xbox also?

Starting with PS3 I am trying to think of non-first party exclusives Metal Gear Solid 4 I'm sure there's a few others but not many. I can think of exclusive games for Xbox too. I don't get your point, or think that it's correct at all. Where are these 95% of exclusives you're talking about, that aren't first party games? Or is your point that they should put Uncharted and God of War on Xbox? (they even put them on PC)

If one's arguing that it's a negative for Sony to have gotten so many exclusives over these years, they should probably keep the same energy for the idea of Microsoft attempting to swoop in and snag a ton for themselves too. Otherwise, what's the point of even bringing it up? In an ideal world, all these games would be spread around to each console so everyone can enjoy them... but such is life. None of these multimillion dollar corporations need an internet forum defense squad.

TalonJedi87 wrote:

We didn't get raises last year... God is whooping us on revenue with all them thoughts and prayers.

Counting a first party game being exclusive as a negative is like saying the BigMac shouldn't be exclusive to McDonalds. The only games that would make sense are third party exclusives. Most third party games are on Playstation and Xbox. Every now and again you get a third party exclusive. Both Sony and Microsoft have attempted to pay a certain amount of money to get a timed exclusive third party game but usually they end up on the other console anyway.

Microsoft knows their first party exclusives couldn't compare to Sony or Nintendo which is why they're buying up companies to have a larger library of exclusives. I wouldn't say that makes them the bad guys but it doesn't exactly make them the good guys either.

justin_credible wrote:

Why not though? They have been in the games business longer than Sony, and in the console hardware business almost as long.

On the original Xbox MS published Amped, Azurik, Blinx, Blood Wake, Brute Force, Crimson Skies, Forza, Fuzion Frenzy, Halo, Kakuto Chojin, Kung Fu Chaos, Links, Midtown Madness, NFL Fever, Quantum Redshift, Project Gotham, RalliSport Challenge, Sneakers, Tao Feng, Whacked, and more. Even if they weren't developed by an internal MS studio, I'm counting them because they were published by MS and they probably still have the rights to the IP if they want to make future games.

You got sports games, action games, party games, racing games, fighting games, shooters, and whatever Azurik was. Some of them were quite highly rated, and some were kinda bad.

Out of all the series I listed above, I think only five of them survived to the next console generation (Amped, Forza, Fuzion Frenzy, Halo, Project Gotham), and out of those five, only two are still going.

It isn't the number of exclusives that is the issue nowadays anyway, it's the drop in quality due to the "gamepass day 1" mentality.

The "release it now and patch it later" mentality has been going on for the last couple generations, but it's worse with MS now because their games are "free", so people are less likely to be yelling about how they just blew $60-$70 on a broken POS.

RIP Halo Infinite split-screen campaign mode.

MS is looking for the easy money in subs instead of mastering their hedgehog- building devices. They have the resources and ingenuity to be the leader in consoles - they just have not focused on being that. Never has a video game company felt more interested in the bottom line that it turns me off of their products as much as current MS. They went from feeling very pro consumer with their loss leader offerings to watering down their products so much to recapture revenue that they have become an almost predatory subscription company. If I wanted to play 3rd rate first party games and wait a year or two for third party titles- sure.

The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing. MS has no one big thing anymore.

This seems... Insane? Haven't read in full, but can't resell physical ps5 games after 10 years?

https://insider-gaming.com/playstation-5-ban-games...

MrBean wrote:

The article is saying that Sony banned the resale of physical games 10 years ago. It's part of the licensing agreement. The headline is worded strangely... probably because the "ban" has been brought back to everyone's attention via YouTubers looking for PS5 content to talk about.

Either way, no one complies to that silliness and no one ever will.

PS5 arrives on my doorstep today. Already have my copy of Spider-man 2. Getting jazzed over here.

The great reclamation is beginning. Content you own digitally is no longer usable. Coming soon en masse.

https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/1-sentence-explains...

Yah there needs to be some legislation to make sure that crap doesn't happen. That's ridiculous.

Couldn't that hypothetically eventually wipe out folks' gaming libraries? Like what happens in 15 years when Sony decides to remove somebody's entire digital PS5 library?

theJaw wrote:

The previous discussion about Sony limiting physical sales etc just goes to show - they COULD write in lots of things and moot the physical vs digital debate. Online connectivity has pretty much given them control over most newer content. We’ve jumped head first into this digital trap. Everything truly feels like a rental- as the content creators have always wanted it to be- a limited license to use the media.

Feeb wrote:

A lot of creators would disagree. It's the big publishers that want to push the license model.

benstylus wrote:


True. They’ve signed a deal with the devil as well- particularly smaller creators. This idea that buying music, video etc just gives you a borrowers license to the content and its use has been a battle since I can remember. Even in the “stealing” music off the radios to the Napster days etc.

There was also a tweet from a higher up from Sony a million years ago saying it's ok to trade in your games. People are just being dramatic for the sake of being dramatic, sorry to say that is 99.9% of all youtube game influencers, I bet half could not even spell "news" and the amount of research that goes into what garbage they spew involves nothing more than a google search.

Yea, I have a hard time sympathizing with strictly digital buyers. It's been a reality since day one that at some undefined moment in time, you are at risk to lose whatever you paid for. It just seems like such an unrealistic take to think your digital library is untouchable. Sure the consumer has some rights, but digital to me is just a long-term rental in which you hold nothing in your physical possession. Eventually, like any rental service, the content is going to rotate out.

There is some similarity to be drawn with subscription services as well. While you don't pay for individual items, services like Netflix, Hulu, and even the new PS Plus and Game Pass, rotate content out all the time. Does a digital user not also feel the same sense of entitlement to their favorite shows/games leaving these services? I certainly don't see the same level of outrage. Which tells me, this is exactly where the rest of these services will be headed.

But the reality is that even physical copies are at risk of being paper weights as the industry releases more and more 80% finished games with immediate patches.

and what about online only games? Their fan bases come and go, and eventually the servers are shutdown, but surely some people would still remain. I've been burned by server shutdowns, (Rift, Bioshock 2, Friday the 13th soon) but the reality is things that are no longer worth the cost to sustain are shutdown. Digital will be no different.

yeah physical means next to nothing now. The only system where it feels somewhat worth it is for switch. Even I'm thinking of going all digital for and in the future. I just plan to buy very little games on them.

I'll always go physical first unless it's a last minute purchase or a game I don't really care a ton about. Most BIG games will sit on my shelf, on a disc in a case.

That's honestly why I am going digital more and more except for the Switch for the most part.... but I hate buying new games and having to download the "rest of it" before I can play if for whatever reason the servers are shut or something happens the game is just as "playable" as it's digital counterpart.

Next gen I will probably even go more in on digital then I am now.

incubus421 wrote:

Go DRM free with sites like gog.com and itch.io and your library is yours forever as long as you properly back it up, even if the storefront eventually goes under.

Of course for consoles that doesn't really help...

benstylus wrote:

This is my approach exactly.
Buy from GOG when I can, so at least I have something to back up, and buy physical for as long as I can. I won't buy a digital copy of a recent release at full price, and thanks to things like Game Pass, I won't have to.

Much like gambling, only put in to digital services what you're willing to lose.

MrBean wrote:

Shut down the Classifieds on GameTZ!

@MrBean
It's fake news. I saw a Tweet by someone posting a pic showing that it has been on the back of game boxes since the PS2 era (and the link you posted proves it has been around since the PS1 era). It's basically something to cover their asses and not something they will actually enforce.

I try not to hate on RGT85 too much, he's kinda..."special", but this was just stupid on his part to drag this up without doing any research on the matter. But, you know the deal with YouTubers, they live and die by doing or saying whatever will get them views.

I watch RGT85 from time to time but I can't stand his mopey pout face in all of his thumbnails.

Sales numbers up to Feb. 2022 leaked.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1722109e.j...

theJaw wrote:

Had to look him up. Yup he is one of the folks I marked "don't recommend channel" due to his thumbnails

RGT85 He is one I stopped mostly watching. He is typical of any youtuber...

I will use this as an example, All the game youtubers were all jumping down Sony's throat when it came out that the add on Blu-Ray drive needed to "phone home".... When if they done just a small amount of research they would have found out why this is and really has nothing to do with Playstation. All disk drives going back to the PS3 era are married to the console, this is done at factory. Same with XB1 and up consoles. You can't just swap out drives, unless you remove the daughter board from the original drive and place it on the new one... The basic gamer will have NO idea how to do this. The drive basically needs to phone home once to pair to the system, if the drive is placed in another PS5 it needs to phone home again, but if that same drive is placed back in the 1st console it's good to go. But you know... bad Sony. ReviewTechUSA's bad for this and I lost a lot of the interest I had in his content because he basically takes whatever other gametubers are saying and refuses to look into it.


Spawnwave is pretty good though, He is mainly a Sony guy but I find he is pretty fair unlike another tuber that was just WAY to Sony and I thought his takes were a little slanted I can't remember that ones name for the life of me.

Finn wrote:


Yeah I did find this amusing too. People hopped onboard the Sony hate train as if they were doing this out of spite, but none of them took the time to read into why it needs to be done and how it's completely out of their hands.

Finn wrote:

Is there an underlying reason this whole pairing thing is needed, though? When I built PCs years ago you could swap optical or disk drives all the time. Sometimes you needed to install new drivers but it was never an issue if you swapped in one of the same model.

Is there any real purpose to require permission from Sony for an official "marriage" of drive and console that isn't anti-consumer?

And if Sony has been doing it for years and people just now found out about it, you're telling people they are supposed to be perfectly fine with it because they didn't notice before? Sony never sold digital-only consoles before so the chances of people needing to find this out would have been pretty low.

I would say it is reasonable for people to be more angry after finding out this has been going on for so long, not less angry...

Fot example - If you catch your spouse/significant other cheating, are you just going to assume that was the first time, or will you be wondering about how long it's been going on, the other times you (or they) had to work late, how many of the other people they said were "just a friend" were actually just a friend, etc? Would you be more angry if it was your spouse's only affair, or if they were a serial cheater?

This is why I'm losing a little bit of interest in gaming and I'm afraid it's just going to get worse. Ridiculous costs to make AAA games and they have to sell tens of millions of copies or DOOM. It just means companies will stick with games that sell the most at the expense of the hardcore gamer in favor of the casual gamer. These games are inching towards 300 million to make. What's it going to be on PS6 400 or 500 million? You start to see why they want to Remaster games to get the most money they can out of them instead of making a new expensive game thus we're in the remaster era and have been for nearly 10 years.

Following the release of data stolen from Spider-Man 2 developer Insomniac, files have revealed Sony-owned studios were recently under pressure to make staff cuts amid big development costs that shine a light on the state of triple-A development.

Meanwhile, the documents reveal internal concern at the growing development costs of Insomniac's games. According to Kotaku's report on the breach, Spider-Man 2 development costs ran $30 million over its original $270 million, and ultimately needs to sell 7.2 million units to break even. Spider-Man 2 was able to sell more than 5 million units in its first 11 days after release.

According to the documents, The Last of Us: Part 2 cost $220 million to develop, with a peak headcount of 200 full-time employees. Guerrilla Games' Horizon Forbidden West, meanwhile, cost $212 million to develop and utilized more than 300 developers. Insomniac reportedly stressed the need to keep the budget for future triple-A games at $350 or less in a slide quoted in Kotaku's report.

With such huge costs associated with the creation of blockbuster video games, anything less than equally huge sales can be catastrophic. Sony announced Spider-Man 2 is the fastest-selling PlayStation Studios game over a 24-hour period after it sold more than 2.5 million copies in a day, but it is now clear that these types of games need to sell in the tens of millions in order to provide a significant return on investment.

https://www.ign.com/articles/sony-reportedly-press...

Publishers continue to make the AAA games because there is big enough market that they feel it is worth the risk. They see Skyrim and GTA5 and think they could also have a game that spans multiple console generations.

It's a double edged sword for the studios owned (or hired) by those publishers though. One the one hand, they have the budget to make something truly spectacular, on the other hand there is always going to be big pressure to perform and likely going to be some publisher meddling in terms of what the game will and won't be.

It's not working that great right now at Sony if they're laying off people because of the budget and not because of disappointing game sales. That's a bad business model.

It feels like a dam that is eventually going to break, but not just for Sony anyone making a AAA game. Microsoft has such deep pockets they can take endless hits though, Sony Nintendo and Third Party companies can't though.

The problem is gamers always expect better and better graphics, I would be happy with better framerate and 1080p.

Feeb wrote:

Sony now saying that your favorite Discovery shows are safe for at least the next 30 months due to an updated licensing agreement with WB.

justin_credible wrote:

If you've been keeping up with the news this year, a ton of gaming companies (and tech companies in general) have gone through massive layoffs.

I think the pandemic is part of it - unrealistic expectations were set when thr government was just handing out dollar bills and people could buy games like candy.

Game development cycle is such that the seeds planted 2-3 years ago are bearing fruit today. We had an INCREDIBLE year of extraordinarily high quality games in 2023 But not the money to sustain that going forward.


I think it's more of a natural correction than a dam bursting. Doesn't make me any less sad for the folks that have lost jobs over it though.



Honestly, I don't think the majority gamers care all that much about graphics anymore. In the early days for sure but if graphics were king then Switch wouldn't still be selling millions upon millions of units Minecraft wouldn't be a social phenomenon. Neither would Undertale for that matter.

Lots of folks are waiting for digital foundry and others to critically break a game down before buying it these days. Whether genuine concern if the FR dips a few times or just console warring fanboys- it’s a thing. I don’t think old school casuals like many of us care. I don’t.

justin_credible wrote:

I'll give you some more stats to back up my views later but my lunch break is over now

justin_credible wrote:

You think call of duty sells because they push the envelope with graphics? The casual cod gamer (most of its playbase) aren’t thinking about that

benstylus wrote:

It’s tied to DMCA… again my point is if you are going to blast one company for doing it and completely ignore another one for doing the same thing then you are a fool. Then when these tubers get all dramatic because the drive needs to phone home once and not every time like they are spreading because well they don’t look into things themselves. It’s really a non issue that they are trying to make one, because Sony. Go after the DMCA, calling a company anti consumer for having to follow it is disingenuous. Again, MS is in the same boat.

MS can take more hits for sure, but this argument always gets me because no business wants to loose massive amounts of money. The Xbox division is no different. They are in a different spot and the GPU model will fail IMO. Games costing 200-300 mil to make and a GPU model that can be easily manipulated will not work.

What I mean is if I want to play Starfield I can get GPU for 2 months play it and move on… maybe play a few others … come back some day when there is something else. I am spending far less then what it would cost me to just buy the game and I am dipping into other games. The new metric for games being successful now will be how many subs it brings… if GPU is going to survive MS will have to exit Hardware and go multi platform and get GPU on everything. Can you imagine how well Netflix would do if it was only available on select TV’s or Blu Ray players? MS has at least gone as far as saying this, they are only going to stomach losses for so long.

Absolutely gamers for the most part want those games to be photorealistic without performance hiccups. Sports sims as well- seriously it feels like they drive the push for newer gen hardware more than any other genre.

Really disappointed in a few posters just wanting to argue with me because I guess they're in the mood to I don't know. If graphics aren't important why remaster games all the time where you're getting the exact same game with slightly higher resolution? Because graphics matter. Yes of course COD fans care about graphics and sports fans and most other genres as well. When you buy a new console the one feature you always get over the previous console is better graphics.

I personally do not care that much about graphics I've said many times if PS4 lived on for 10 more years and we didn't have a PS5 yet I'd be fine. Most would not. The only thing you can point to as an advantage PS5 has over PS4 is maybe loading times, the other thing is graphics and power. If Sony didn't feel like they had to push the envelope and they could get away with a 100-150 million dollar budget for Spider-man 2 don't you think they'd do it? Yes of course they would but instead they're laying people off. People don't spend $1000-$2000 on a PC that don't care about graphics, they want to max the settings out. What is the only thing that effects other than fps? Graphics. The whole master race thing started in because PC can give you better graphics than consoles. But it's still ultimately the same game.

justin_credible wrote:

That was a really good game, both 2016 and Eternal.

I don’t think the average gamer cares much, they just want the game. If you are spending 2K on a PC I would agree but you also are not an average gamer at this point… you would be an enthusiast and yes you care about performance and graphics. I think people that care about graphics are outnumbered by those that don’t but the ones that do are just very vocal. I also think that if your studios don’t push and are on the cutting edge you may start to bleed talent. It’s really a double edge sword.

ErickRPG wrote:

Once again, as usual, PC gamers are decades ahead of consoles. We've been black pilled about game ownership since 2000s. Not to crap on consoles, just saying like, "First time?"

To me the hilarious part is that the opposite sentiment was what won them the PS4/Xbox One console wars before they launched. But we're in squeeze every drop of blood from the stone mode now. Publishers would tell you easily the worst thing in the world to them is seeing someone playing a 30 year old cartridge on a Super Nintendo (a game they're not making available or affordable on modern platforms, mind you, and have no plans to do so).

I am not close to losing interest in new games. Too many great looking games to look forward to. Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, FFVII Rebirth, Unicorn Overlord, Metaphor Refantazio, Visions of mana. Still great stuff coming out. And I'm still hyped about Fable, Hellblade 2, etc. .

ErickRPG wrote:

Infinite Wealth gives me serious Yakuza 3 vibes. After Yakuza 6, I was kinda done with the series but I think this one is going to pull me back in. It looks awesome! And yeah man tons of great stuff coming out in 2024. Add Rise of the Ronin, Granblue Fantasy Relink, Decapolice and so much more to the games you've already listed. It's going to be great year for sure. Just need to find time for these games which is always the hard part for me these days.

I finally installed chiaki4deck on my Steam Deck to do PS5 remote play and it’s been great. No need for a Portal IMO.

Been playing FFXVI.

I never could get chiaki4deck to work properly. For the games I tried, there was at least one button I couldn’t get to map correctly or some other glitch that made it unplayable. I still use my Steam deck, but the Portal has been great for me (and I say that as someone who was pretty skeptical about the Portal initially).

Sun wrote:

justin_credible wrote:

Because being a proven hit matters more.

Why risk $200 mil a new game when you can refresh your old game for a fraction of that cost? Even if it doesn't sell as well as a brand new game it will still likely be more profitable.

There's a huge audience that might never have played the original game, so a remaster taps into that as well as nostalgia from players who enjoyed it the first time and would be willing to give it another go.


I'm not saying nobody cares at all about graphics, just that they aren't really the primary concern anymore. COD fans and sports fans move to the next game because they know most of them will move to the next game. Sort of a herd mentality.

For the FPS crowd, less skilled players like the fresh start everyone is level 1 again vibe so they theoretically have a chance to be the best. Might be a little annoying to the top players to lose their status but they know they will rise up again, and they can enjoy a few days of smurfing, plus hey some new maps.

Sports games everyone who buys the annual installments moves on largely for the new rosters. The graphics obviously they don't want them to get worse, but even if they did, people would grumble a bit and buy it anyway because you can't play sports with old teams, you just can't.

In both cases they buy it because they know the community will buy it, and if they want to play online, the current game has the best odds of finding a good crowd of people.


So you are offering yourself as anecdotal evidence, and you are on the side of graphics don't matter much. Maybe you are the majority and don't realize it.

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Certainly not shape, that's for sure.


It worked for Miles Morales.



This is something we agree on but you are kind of making my point for me... High end PC players may be graphics/performance enthusiasts, but they are a very small portion of the overall gaming hobby.

The rest of us who don't care as much about graphics play on consoles or even midrange PCs that get the job done well enough. Because as you said it's still ultimately the same game.

Bleed_DukeBlue wrote:

I’ve tried most of the other portable ps5 options and I was not impressed as well. There was (is?)no support for the official ps remote app without a DS5. So using another app and a controller emulator was necessary.

Try Chiaki4deck again after updating it. It runs so much better now. Also, "T" is the TouchPad.

Kommie wrote:

I was reading about it. Sounds like they fixed the connectivity as well as the controller options. The controls were a mess before.

I've never had an issue on Steam Deck with it. Works flawlessly, controller wise.

This is good to know. I might have to give it another go. Although, now that I have a Portal, what I probably should do now is try to get Game Pass to work via the deck (the other thing I’ve never gotten to work quite right).

Kommie wrote:

For gamepass use something called Greenlight

Bleed_DukeBlue wrote:

Thanks! I’ll check it out.

Kommie wrote:

Made a decent way through Spider-man 2… ohmygod is Kraven the most fudging badass villain or what. So gosh darn good.

Insomniac was hacked recently and Sony’s business model for Marvel’s Spider-Man 3 was revealed.

First, the projected release date for part 1 is the Christmas holiday 2027. And the holiday season 2028 for part 2. Each part (single-player campaign) will cost $49.99. Multiplayer story mode (assuming this is just adding a feature for a local or online co-op of the other Spider-People to the single-player campaign) will be available for an additional one-time purchase of $49.99 which will enable multiplayer for both parts. If the player is patient or has never played the Marvel spider-man games they will eventually be all released in a set for $59.99 in 2029 (single-player campaigns only)