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MrBean

* 10-Nov(#1)

I'm torn. I have a 2018 82" Q6C Samsung. It was the low end, of the high end, back then (paid $3.5k, ugh). It's been suffering from some burn in with some vertical Pillars. Not from anything we've watched/played, can't really explain it, but it's on the way out.

My living room is 20x20x20, has a lower and upper set of windows, open floor plan to the kitchen. I say all this because there's a fair amount of daylight on a regular basis.

OLED is clearly the champion of picture quality, but don't do as well with a lot of ambient light. Further OLEDS are more prone to burn in.

I'm set on Samsung due to affiliate discounting and torn between their OLED and NEO-QLED.

OLED is pretty capped out at 77". Even though 83s exist they're not the same PANEL. Samsungs 83" OLED isn't using the new kickass QD-OLED but instead using LGs dated WOLED. Still awesome (from what I'm told) but doesn't get nearly as bright, which may be a challenge for my setup.

QLED (and the newer NEO variant) have gotten much better, but don't have as rich of colors, and suffer on blacks. Yet, they're brighter and combat light/glare much better.

I saw the 77 OLED and NEO-OLED in person today. The Neo is definitely brighter and the OLED is more rich.

The time old debate of size vs quality.

Here's the pricing for the three in question as I'd prefer to spend less, but they're not too far off from one another. The black friday pricing combined with affiliate discount, is fantastic.

$1.9k for the 77" S90C (QD-OLED)
$2.6k for the 83" S90C (WOLED)
$2.1k for the 85" QN90C (microLED)
$3.8k for the 98" Q80C (QLED)

Ugh, this is tough... for some reason, my gut says go with the QN90C.

The QN95C seems like it'd be the best middle ground but Samsung USA no longer sells it. Talked to two reps, they say it's discontinued.

I'm stuck on analysis paralysis and need a push one way or another. The internet at large says 77" OLED is the way to go but I don't like the idea of going smaller, when I set out to go bigger.

Alternatively, just wait until (hopefully) a QD-OLED 83+ is made.

Thanks

nickbobo93

10-Nov(#2)

Hey i went with the 65" s90c and i love it. I know your lighting situation isn't the same as mine but my gf and i usually turn off the bright lights and have 1 soft light. Its also placed in front of the window so the sun don't shine on it directly. But other than the OS it looks miles better than the 44inch 1080p hisense i was using. Thats just my two cents though i know a lot of people want the biggest.

liquidllama

10-Nov(#3)

I upgraded from a 75" 2017ish (can't remember the exact model) Samsung mid-range TV in January, decided to go with the 85" QN90B and have been super happy with the upgrade. I did shop the OLED models around that time, but like you get a fair amount of daylight that couldn't be easily avoided so I went with the QLED for brightness - in practice, I doubt I would have had issues with either panel tech. The price difference between the 85" QLED and 83" (LG) OLED was nice as well, and probably swayed my decision a bit (~$2700 vs. $3300 I believe at that time). I can't say that I notice the difference between the 75" and 85" from 15+ feet away on my couch for normal watching, but definitely notice the brightness, contrast, and smoothness improvements over the old TV, especially in full daylight. The only place I notice any of the QLED downsides are credits, with the sharp white text blooming a bit against the solid black. Games and 4k HDR movies are amazing!

I stressed over my purchase quite a lot, but I think no matter which you choose it will be a fantastic choice - especially at those prices for the top of the line. Good luck with the purchase!

MrBean

11-Nov(#4)

liquidllama wrote:

> I can't say that

> I notice the difference between the 75" and 85" from 15+ feet away on my couch for

> normal watching, but definitely notice the brightness, contrast, and smoothness improvements

> over the old TV, especially in full daylight. The only place I notice any of the

> QLED downsides are credits, with the sharp white text blooming a bit against the

> solid black. Games and 4k HDR movies are amazing!

Really? I find this super interesting. I went from 50 to 70 to 82, over the course of 9 years. I keep wanting to go bigger. I feel like the difference of 10" is pretty significant!

MrBean

11-Nov(#5)

nickbobo93 wrote:

> Hey i went with the 65" s90c and i love it. I know your lighting situation isn't

> the same as mine but my gf and i usually turn off the bright lights and have 1 soft

> light. Its also placed in front of the window so the sun don't shine on it directly.

> But other than the OS it looks miles better than the 44inch 1080p hisense i was using.

> Thats just my two cents though i know a lot of people want the biggest.

When those lights are on, how bad is it? I read mixed reviews of "it's not that bad" to "avoid oled at all costs with too much light".

nickbobo93

11-Nov(#6)

Honestly its not bad. I still see color and picture clear just fine. But i mostly use it for games and to watch 4k movies on. It still looks gorgeous and would recommend.

theJaw

11-Nov(#7)

With the added info, I still vote -- $2.1k for the 85" QN90C

liquidllama

11-Nov(#8)

MrBean wrote:

> l

> Really? I find this super interesting. I went from 50 to 70 to 82, over the course

> of 9 years. I keep wanting to go bigger. I feel like the difference of 10" is pretty

> significant!

I wouldn't go back to a 75" for sure, if I had my way I would completely cover the wall where my TV is mounted...but even the first few weeks, I didn't turn on the TV and think "dang this TV is so much bigger", but even after almost a year I still marvel at the improvement in picture quality. I had/have a light kit on the back of both TVs for the ambient glow which probably helped the 75" fill up the wall more and might be why I don't notice as much. Either way, I'm with you - as long as you can afford the difference in cost (which is pretty minor these days) and have the space to mount it, bigger is always better!

Archer

11-Nov(#9)

I got tired of the TV thing and went with an ultra short throw projector a couple years ago. 120", 4k, its amazing. I'll never go back to a TV.

MrBean

11-Nov(#10)

Archer wrote:

> I got tired of the TV thing and went with an ultra short throw projector a couple

> years ago. 120", 4k, its amazing. I'll never go back to a TV.

I absolutely want to do this but my living room, this is 100% impossible unless I get remote black out blinds. That and there's no wall from my living room, which an absolute ton of light floods in from. Maybe next house.

nickbobo93

11-Nov(#11)

Archer wrote:

> I got tired of the TV thing and went with an ultra short throw projector a couple

> years ago. 120", 4k, its amazing. I'll never go back to a TV.

This is my dream in my next home

Archer

11-Nov(#12)

MrBean wrote:

> Archer wrote:

>> I got tired of the TV thing and went with an ultra short throw projector a couple

>> years ago. 120", 4k, its amazing. I'll never go back to a TV.

> I absolutely want to do this but my living room, this is 100% impossible unless I

> get remote black out blinds. That and there's no wall from my living room, which

> an absolute ton of light floods in from. Maybe next house.

Yeah, I had the same issue at my last house. Too much light in the room all day long from every direction. That fades it out during the day if you get that much direct light on the screen itself.

MrBean

* 11-Nov(#13)

theJaw wrote:

> With the added info, I still vote -- $2.1k for the 85" QN90C

This is where my gut is. I change my mind every 3.7 minutes though. I've done insanely too much homework and all enthusiasts and people that really know their crap... Say the 77 QD-OLED is the superior choice, bar none. Yet, I the possibility of burn in, ambient light, and smaller size... Tell me think differently.

Orrr play the waiting game. Maybe 83 QD-OLED will surface next year?

If I can sell my current TV for $500-$600 now, it's a much easier sell. The longer I wait, the harder it will be to sell. Selling an 82" used without box, is gonna be hard regardless.

MrBean

* 11-Nov(#14)

Just measured what a 98" would look like, Holy crap.

Going from $2100 for an 85" to $3800 for a 98" is super aggressive and way more than I want to spend.... But... Wow that size could be fun for general TV and shows.

The 98" is $5k on BF sales, getting another $1200 off is appealing.

I do most of my gaming on my 34" SUW monitor and a junky Q60C 65" in the basement. So this main TV really is more family stuff (movies and shows), with occasional gaming.

Ugh. Size vs quality. I'm seriously stuck.

Orlandu

* 11-Nov(#15)

I don't know if it's still a thing, but direct sunlight is/was bad for OLED. A lot of the higher end LCDs look nearly as good as OLED, especially for a general purpose daytime set. From the choices you listed I'd go with the QN90C.

MrBean

11-Nov(#16)

I was largely set on the QN90C but multiple drinks later... I ordered the 98"

#SizeMatters

Will probably cancel in the morning

MrBean

12-Nov(#17)

So I just went to Costco because they also have the 77-in QD - OLED and it was a significantly better viewing experience than what I saw at Best Buy due to the lighting. Costco still has an absolute ton of lighting but my God that picture was significantly better than all the surrounding TVs hands down. Then I walked over and looked at the qled and it felt old and tired in comparison. I really don't want to go down in size but man I question if this isn't worth it. Not to mention it saves a few bucks.

MrBean

13-Nov(#18)

Things I didn't consider going into this ... how to sell/move the current 82"! haha

This should be fun.

Archer

13-Nov(#19)

Yeah, you can't ship it. That would be way too expensive. And what are you going to put it in without the original box. It has to be a local sale. And local sales in my experience are always a nightmare with people trying to lowball and negotiate for the lowest possible price, or just straight up free. I tried to sell a 70" 2017 samsung when I moved in 2020, for $100. And people kept trying to ask me if they could just have it for free before saying they changed their minds. I finally had a enough of that and just gave it to a buddy to sell. He had the same issue, and still has the tv to this day.

MrBean

* 13-Nov(#20)

None of that is reassuring... Ugh.

Posted in my local developments Facebook group and on my page for friends and family. Will move to marketplace and surrounding buy/sell groups later.

I could get it in my f150, but someone would have to sit back there and hold onto it.

5 year old, 82" QLED, $500 seems fair? If someone offered me less, I'd probably take it. If I had the room to hang onto it for our next house, I would. Debated swapping out the basement 65", but just too big for the setup down there.

I have a feeling that this is gonna be stuck in my house for a bit.

ryanflucas

13-Nov(#21)

Are the people on the screen bigger then you on these TVs?

MrBean

13-Nov(#22)

ryanflucas wrote:

> Are the people on the screen bigger then you on these TVs?

haha, not quite!

Got the new TV up today, it's ... legit unreal, but man, dropping in size is kinda painful. In debate.

theJaw

13-Nov(#23)

What an incredible problem to have though, tbh. I envy you, Beanman.

MrBean

13-Nov(#24)

theJaw wrote:

> What an incredible problem to have though, tbh. I envy you, Beanman.

haha #FirstWorldProblems ...

I shoulda listened to you/my gut, I think the 85" NEO was the right choice. I was at Costco last night and man that QD-OLED was just insanely gorgeous ... it still is, this picture is absolutely the best I've 'ever' seen in my life.

BUT, size matters.

Imma need a drink to figure this out.

Archer

13-Nov(#25)

MrBean wrote:

> Imma need a drink to figure this out.

image

MrBean

13-Nov(#26)

The alcohol (Christmas ale) helped. Ordered the 85" Neo.

3x 80" TVs in the living room with 3 kids and 2 dogs... What could go wrong?!

This is like when I had 5x Cali King beds in our bedroom when comparing them.

I swear I don't have issues. Ha

theJaw

14-Nov(#27)

MrBean wrote:

> The alcohol (Christmas ale) helped. Ordered the 85" Neo.

Hell yah brother!

> 3x 80" TVs in the living room

Hey but what the fudge are you talking about?

ryanflucas

14-Nov(#28)

theJaw wrote:

>> 3x 80" TVs in the living room

> Hey but what the fudge are you talking about?

He bought 3 TVs because he’s indecisive. They’re all in his living room. May the odds be in his favor.

MrBean

* 14-Nov(#29)

@theJaw - haha, the original, the QD-OLED, and the miniLED. One is being sold, one returned... Just can't decide which. The Neo (mini) will be here Thursday. Also toying with ordering the 83" WOLED.

I've never had an OLED before and I see now why people get boners for them. Yet after an evening of tinkering and watching various sources, I've come to a partial conclusion. They're absolutely amazing, but require the right content, and lots of tweaking. The fact that you can't largely set and forget, vs individual configurations by content type, is a major turn off. So now I'd have to forgo the AVR for video, and have different configs per input (aka hdr vs gaming vs sports) - not so fun.

The deeper I go down the rabbit hole, with MiniLED closing the gap on OLED (and QD-OLED closing the gap on LED), it 'seems' like miniLED is the better all around/more versatile option; whereas, OLED will always be the superior option for enthusiasts. I think I'm favoring more and more, go with easy and size.

If I have to return the one (QD-OLED) to BB locally, I have no idea how to do so. Those boxes are meant for a one time trip. I can rebuild but then you can't use the handles. Weighs like 100lbs. Guess we're gonna have to use a whole role of duct tape?

Edit - actually, could use ratcheting straps, hrm, this may not be too bad.

Sincerely, morning poop thoughts.

MrBean

* 14-Nov(#30)

ryanflucas wrote:

> he’s indecisive.

I wish i was indecisive! Ha, there's something clinically wrong with me! I'm pretty sure I'm just bat crap crazy.

There's a reason I have over $10k a year in Amazon returns. As I've gotten older, I've come to realize why I've suffered from insomnia most of my life. Some form of ADHD I would wager. I am typically awesome with big, life changing decisions... But the little stuff, Holy f'ing rumination! Mental overdrive.

It's insane too, as I already see the same behaviors in my 6 yr old boy. Constantly thinking, always analyzing every outcome. My parents didn't know how to guide me, and I never really talked to them about it. I'm stoked I can help him though. It's a super power for sure.

I should totally be doing YT reviews/unboxings at this point.

theJaw

14-Nov(#31)

ryanflucas wrote:

> theJaw wrote:

> |>> 3x 80" TVs in the living room

>> Hey but what the fudge are you talking about?

> He bought 3 TVs because he’s indecisive. They’re all in his living room. May

> the odds be in his favor.

lol for a second I legitimately thought he had 3 80" TVs SET UP in the living room. Thought ol' Bean was trying to enter the Matrix or something.

MrBean

14-Nov(#32)

theJaw wrote:

> lol for a second I legitimately thought he had 3 80" TVs SET UP in the living room.

> Thought ol' Bean was trying to enter the Matrix or something.

Next house... Haha

SublimeFan

15-Nov(#33)

Just a few suggestions:

1) Figure out size first. This is the (pun intended) biggest decision you will make. You are looking at "great" TVs, and yes, they will have nuance among them, but size is the most important differentiator among them.

2) Research them all on rtings.com. If you know a better place for data driven reviews, use that as well, but AFAIK there's no other free source of info that reviews so many popular TVs with a consistent source of testing.

3) You really can't go wrong with any of these. Samsung makes great TVs, and if you're going to have any issues the majority will be with the panel which you will discover shortly after setting up. Samsung has a relatively low panel defect rate from what I've read / seen.

I know I'm not driving you to a decision, but hopefully this helps a little bit.

MrBean

15-Nov(#34)

All great points @SublimeFan. The splitting of hairs amongst higher end TV's is a pain in the ass, and not worth the hassle. I got wrapped up listening to elitist enthusiats that sent me down far too many rabbit holes, that ultimately lead me to a bad'ish decision. The 77" S90C is beyond amazing, legit best I've ever seen. Yet, per your first point, size really does matter. The TV is incredible, but both my wife and I keep saying "it's just too small" (which is hilarious saying that about a 77"), because we're coming from an 82".

I used rtings quite a bit throughout the process. Again though, getting wrapped up in that data, is also maddening. End of day, once a new/modern TV is in your house, it's gonna be amazing.

After getting spoiled by this QD-OLED, I do question if the NEO (miniLED) is the best path forward. I'm in somewhat regret that I didn't order the 83" variant of the OLED ... but, hoping tomorrow that it goes well and I can just end the madness!

MrBean

* 15-Nov(#35)

Gdamn. Day 3, I can't get over how absolutely awesome this 2nd gen QD-OLED is. I have my complaints but when it's set right, this is hands down the best movie experience.

Still, too small. Neo shows up tomorrow. Making a play to keep the QD-OLED in the basement and the Neo in the living room.

If I don't post again after tomorrow... Ya'll know that my wife murdered me. Been nice knowing ya!

Best1989

16-Nov(#36)

If you survived the dogecoin debacle, a couple of $8K TVs are nothing.

MrBean

16-Nov(#37)

Haha, in still trying to get out of f'ing DOGE!

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